USA State Response to Covid-19

Aqua Puttana

Poly - Thread Finder
California 1.0 is right on the heels of New York 1.1 now. Florida is hanging in staying at 0.5

I wonder if Gov. Cuomo now regrets having NYC split off? The NYC 0.5 number would probably help.

To be clear.
I am not celebrating death numbers. If the 7 day Cases numbers are used there is always the question of number of tests by a given state. I think that it's more difficult to question the death statistics. I do include the cases numbers below FWIW.

Jan. 9, 2021 12:15 p.m.

State/TerritoryAverage Daily Deaths per 100k in Last 7 Days
Rhode Island1.8
Arizona1.7
Kansas1.4
Mississippi1.4
New Mexico1.4
West Virginia1.4
Pennsylvania1.3
Wyoming1.3
Arkansas1.2
Connecticut1.2
Indiana1.2
Michigan1.2
Nebraska1.2
Tennessee1.2
Illinois1.1
New York*1.1
California1
Massachusetts1
Montana1
New Jersey1
Nevada1
South Carolina1
Maine0.9
South Dakota0.9
Iowa0.8
Missouri0.8
North Dakota0.8
Alabama0.7
Colorado0.7
Idaho0.7
Kentucky0.7
Louisiana0.7
Maryland0.7
Minnesota0.7
New Hampshire0.7
Texas0.7
North Carolina0.6
Ohio0.6
Oklahoma0.6
Wisconsin0.6
District of Columbia0.5
Florida0.5
New York City*0.5
Georgia0.4
Utah0.4
Virginia0.4
Vermont0.4
Alaska0.3
Delaware0.3
Guam0.3
Oregon0.3
Puerto Rico0.3
Washington0.3
Hawaii0.1
Virgin Islands0.1
American Samoa0
Federated States of Micronesia0
Northern Mariana Islands0
Palau0
Republic of Marshall Islands0

State/TerritoryAverage Daily Cases per 100k in Last 7 Days
Arizona126.4
Rhode Island116.5
Tennessee99.2
California98.8
Arkansas98.4
Utah92.3
Oklahoma87.7
New York*86.1
West Virginia85
South Carolina84.9
Kentucky83.7
Alabama81.6
Georgia76.9
Nevada74.5
Indiana74.3
Mississippi73.3
North Carolina72.5
Delaware71.7
Kansas70.5
Louisiana70
Massachusetts69.9
Florida69.1
Connecticut68.3
Texas66.8
Ohio64.4
New York City*64.3
New Mexico61
New Jersey59.5
Pennsylvania58.9
Virginia55.5
New Hampshire55
Illinois50.3
Iowa50.2
Nebraska50.2
Wisconsin49.2
Idaho48.7
South Dakota47.9
Colorado46.7
Missouri46.2
Maryland45.8
Maine44.7
Wyoming43.4
Alaska42.9
Montana42.7
Michigan38.8
Minnesota36.1
District of Columbia35.8
Washington32.4
North Dakota31.3
Oregon24.3
Vermont22.7
Puerto Rico22.4
Virgin Islands12.8
Hawaii11.2
Guam7.8
Northern Mariana Islands0.8
American Samoa0
Federated States of Micronesia0
Palau0
Republic of Marshall Islands0

vic
 

Kajtek1

2015 long/tall limo RV 2.1l
California 1.0 is right on the heels of New York 1.1 now. Florida is hanging in staying at 0.5
California alone is having bigger population than New York and Florida combined.
This chart shows numbers per capita, what is good, but beware that some people play with statistics.
 

flman

Making Turbo Cry!
California alone is having bigger population than New York and Florida combined.
This chart shows numbers per capita, what is good, but beware that some people play with statistics.
So that would mean the CA is not counting all of the lockdown created death as CCP virus? About time.
 

Aqua Puttana

Poly - Thread Finder
California stepped up and is tied with California.

I have colored red the states which I would classify as strict. My choices are somewhat subjective. The "strict" states aren't grouped together, nor are they the best performing. As a reminder. The numbers are the last 7 days average. They are all based upon the same basic time period.

The red color selections are based upon the information in the link at following the table.

CDC | Updated: Jan 12 2021 1:31PM
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State/TerritoryAverage Daily Deaths per 100k in Last 7 Days
Arizona2.1
Kansas1.8
Pennsylvania1.7
West Virginia1.6
Mississippi1.5
Tennessee1.5
Alabama1.4
Nevada1.4
Arkansas1.3
New Mexico1.3
Wyoming1.3
California1.2
Michigan1.2
Nebraska1.2
New York*1.2
Rhode Island1.2
South Dakota1.2
Illinois1.1
Indiana1.1
Massachusetts1.1
Montana1.1
New Jersey1.1
Connecticut1
Louisiana1
Texas1
Maine0.9
Missouri0.9
North Carolina0.9
New Hampshire0.9
South Carolina0.9
North Dakota0.8
Oklahoma0.8
Wisconsin0.8
Colorado0.7
Delaware0.7
Florida0.7
Georgia0.7
Iowa0.7
Idaho0.7
Maryland0.7
Minnesota0.7
New York City*0.7
Ohio0.7
Kentucky0.6
District of Columbia0.5
Virginia0.5
Oregon0.4
Puerto Rico0.4
Utah0.4
Washington0.4
Vermont0.3
Hawaii0.2
Alaska0.1
Guam0.1
American Samoa0
Federated States of Micronesia0
Northern Mariana Islands0
Palau0
Republic of Marshall Islands0
Virgin Islands0


vic
 
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flman

Making Turbo Cry!
I notice FL at the bottom of the list, and no lockdown BS.
 

autostaretx

Erratic Member
I'm always amused at how folks in the US are complaining about "lockdowns" ... which are nowhere NEAR as tight as places like the UK (no travel greater than 5 km, for example).

--dick :popcorn:
 

flman

Making Turbo Cry!
I'm always amused at how folks in the US are complaining about "lockdowns" ... which are nowhere NEAR as tight as places like the UK (no travel greater than 5 km, for example).

--dick :popcorn:
So that means the tighter ones are not working any better than the looser ones. Besides this is America and should not be compared to what other countries do, at least for another week.
 

flman

Making Turbo Cry!
Now that Biden has stolen Trump's landslide, Cuoma is going to stop his scorched earth policy.

 

Aqua Puttana

Poly - Thread Finder
I'm always amused at how folks in the US are complaining about "lockdowns" ... which are nowhere NEAR as tight as places like the UK (no travel greater than 5 km, for example).

--dick :popcorn:
My point is whether the more strict lockdowns achieve measurable worthwhile positive results among states in the USA, not as compared to other countries.

Using today's data with same "strict" states highlighted for both deaths and cases.

CDC | Updated: Jan 13 2021 12:16PM
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State/TerritoryAverage Daily Deaths per 100k in Last 7 Days
Arizona2.3
Alabama2
Kansas1.8
Pennsylvania1.7
Tennessee1.6
Mississippi1.5
West Virginia1.5
Arkansas1.4
New Mexico1.4
Nevada1.4
Rhode Island1.4
Wyoming1.4
California1.3
Nebraska1.3
New York*1.2
South Dakota1.2
Illinois1.1
Massachusetts1.1
New Jersey1.1
Connecticut1
Iowa1
Louisiana1
Michigan1
South Carolina1
Texas1
Indiana0.9
Maine0.9
North Carolina0.9
New Hampshire0.9
Georgia0.8
Missouri0.8
Montana0.8
Oklahoma0.8
Delaware0.7
Florida0.7
Idaho0.7
Minnesota0.7
Ohio0.7
Wisconsin0.7
Colorado0.6
Kentucky0.6
Maryland0.6
New York City*0.6
Virginia0.6
District of Columbia0.5
Utah0.5
Washington0.5
North Dakota0.4
Oregon0.4
Puerto Rico0.4
Hawaii0.2
Vermont0.2
Alaska0.1
Guam0.1
American Samoa0
Federated States of Micronesia0
Northern Mariana Islands0
Palau0
Republic of Marshall Islands0
Virgin Islands0


The "strict" states don't group together for 7 day average cases either, but the obvious rebuttal to the cases data is that not all testing is equal across states.


CDC | Updated: Jan 13 2021 12:16PM
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State/TerritoryAverage Daily Cases per 100k in Last 7 Days
Arizona134.7
California106.6
Oklahoma105
Rhode Island101.7
Arkansas97.8
New York*94.9
Utah92.1
Georgia90.9
Tennessee90.4
Kentucky89.2
Massachusetts88.8
South Carolina86.8
New Jersey85.1
North Carolina82.5
Alabama82.3
Louisiana80.8
Nevada80.6
Connecticut80.5
West Virginia80
Indiana79.4
Kansas79.4
Delaware78.4
Mississippi75.2
Texas75
New York City*74.4
Florida72.3
Ohio70.8
Pennsylvania66.4
New Mexico64.6
Wyoming61.8
Virginia59
Wisconsin57.3
Illinois54.6
New Hampshire54.2
Maryland51.9
Idaho51.4
Iowa50.3
Missouri50.1
Montana49.4
Nebraska49
District of Columbia45.7
Colorado43.3
Maine43.2
South Dakota43.1
Washington37.1
Alaska35
Minnesota34.5
Michigan33.6
Oregon28.1
Vermont27.7
North Dakota24.4
Puerto Rico22.5
Hawaii13.4
Virgin Islands11.7
Guam7.3
Northern Mariana Islands1.5
Federated States of Micronesia0.1
American Samoa0
Palau0
Republic of Marshall Islands0

Even Covid book author and expert Gov. Cuomo has realized there may be minimal gain vs trashing the economy.

To save face he states:
"We simply cannot stay closed until the vaccine hits critical mass. The cost is too high. We will have nothing left to open. We must reopen the economy, but we must do it smartly and safely.#SOTS2021"

— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) January 11, 2021

He would never admit that just possibly he was wrong with imposing such strict economic sanctions on private businesses.



:2cents: vic
 

Kajtek1

2015 long/tall limo RV 2.1l
And again, to bring some perspective to above statistics, you need to compare the population.
For the states that I know, the 1.4 deaths per 100k in Nevada equals to 42 dead people.
The 1.3 in California totals 520 people.
Same comparing lockdowns in Europe to USA.
In Europe in lot of agglomerations you have millions of people living on 1 square mile.
In USA I can think only about NY city having that kind of density.
Not even saying that LA agglomeration can make 400 km 1 direction drive without leaving city borders.
 

Aqua Puttana

Poly - Thread Finder
And again, to bring some perspective to above statistics, you need to compare the population.
For the states that I know, the 1.4 deaths per 100k in Nevada equals to 42 dead people.
The 1.3 in California totals 520 people.
Same comparing lockdowns in Europe to USA.
In Europe in lot of agglomerations you have millions of people living on 1 square mile.
In USA I can think only about NY city having that kind of density.
Not even saying that LA agglomeration can make 400 km 1 direction drive without leaving city borders.
Except that many of the states do have very similar populations and conditions and are doing better than the similar "strict" states. I provided a number of "strict" states. I didn't pick and choose.

I'm not providing detailed analysis. I didn't specify which to compare. It is general data from the CDC.

I know what the strict lockdowns in New York State have done to our local private businesses. Many have been announcing permanent closings. Many... most of the big corporations like Target, Walmart, etc. that Cuomo didn't close are reporting strong sales, possibly records. Many of the small businesses that he determined non-essential sell the same stuff. Cuomo just lost a lawsuit by our local Buffalo area restaurants. The businesses are now... finally allowed to open. At least the ones can open that Cuomo's liquor authority thugs didn't find reasons to pull business licenses for violating various regulations. It seems odd that those businesses were mostly those that participated in the winning lawsuits.

I'm retired. I'm doing fine. Our extra government money has been distributed. Many people aren't as fortunate as we are. I'm worried about many other working families who have lost jobs and income.

vic
 

flman

Making Turbo Cry!
Vic, you are a true selfless American! :thumbup:
 

Aqua Puttana

Poly - Thread Finder
Except that many of the states do have very similar populations and conditions and are doing better than the similar "strict" states. I provided a number of "strict" states. I didn't pick and choose.
...
vic
Arguably these states are similar to each other and in the same general area.

Similar states Jan. 15, 2021 4:00 p.m.
Virginia - Business Mostly Open - Mandatory Masks - No Stay Home - 0.6 Deaths
North Carolina - Business Open Mixed - Mandatory Masks - Stay Home Orders - 0.8 Deaths
South Carolina - Business Mostly Open - Masks Sometimes - No Stay Home - 0.8 Deaths
Tennessee - Business Mostly Open - No Masks - No Stay Home - 1.6 Death

North Carolina has more strict lockdown than South Carolina and have similar numbers. Tennessee has no masks. A casual look at some of the highest death rate states makes it appear that no masks is not a consistent factor as to higher count.



It is certainly not any kind of detailed study, but it is an indication that there are likely other factors involved in the better numbers other than strict lockdown.

vic
 

Kajtek1

2015 long/tall limo RV 2.1l
It is all politics for me. I prized our NV governor for fast response back in March, who prevented Covid spread by closing casinos and other business.
That did not last long as political pressure was to have casinos running.
Now besides masks and bigger customers spacing, we don't have many restrictions and compare the numbers from March, to todays.
We just enter long weekend and Grand Canyon helicopters are flying. Where do you think the line will point in a week?

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Aqua Puttana

Poly - Thread Finder
It is all politics for me. I prized our NV governor for fast response back in March, who prevented Covid spread by closing casinos and other business.
That did not last long as political pressure was to have casinos running.
Now besides masks and bigger customers spacing, we don't have many restrictions and compare the numbers from March, to todays.
We just enter long weekend and Grand Canyon helicopters are flying. Where do you think the line will point in a week?

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It's not all politics for me. I'm just not convinced that strict lockdowns gain as much as claimed. Where did I mention politics?
vic
 

Kajtek1

2015 long/tall limo RV 2.1l
Letting people die only to have higher tax revenue is not political?
OK I can come with different names for procedure, but that will make the topic hardcore one.
 

autostaretx

Erratic Member
For any state:
It would be interesting to map the bars and taverns open/closed periods against the "week later" case count and the "3-4 weeks later" death counts.
Interior-seating Restaurants would be another variable.

--dick
 

Aqua Puttana

Poly - Thread Finder
Letting people die only to have higher tax revenue is not political?
OK I can come with different names for procedure, but that will make the topic hardcore one.
But that is exactly the simplistic narrow view that I oppose. In many places addictions are up, homicides are up, child abuse is up, domestic violence... suicides... depression... untreated fatal heart attacks...

There are other health factors to consider, let alone economics.

For any state:
It would be interesting to map the bars and taverns open/closed periods against the "week later" case count and the "3-4 weeks later" death counts.
Interior-seating Restaurants would be another variable.

--dick
The restaurants/bars in our area have brought suit against NYS and Gov. Cuomo's closings by using the statistics of contact tracing among others. The statistics show that restaurants and bars have not been the greatest source of infections. Their argument is strong enough that a judge granted interim permission to open until the case is officially settled.

This is all new territory. Many people like to think they know exactly what is needed. Nobody knows for certain what is necessary/effective and what is overreaction.

vic
 

flman

Making Turbo Cry!
For any state:
It would be interesting to map the bars and taverns open/closed periods against the "week later" case count and the "3-4 weeks later" death counts.
Interior-seating Restaurants would be another variable.

--dick
"Live free or die."
"Give me liberty or give me death."

What's wrong with people taking their own risk, sort of like the way people are risking their sanity over a fear campaign?
 

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