USA State Response to Covid-19

[Aqua Puttana]

California 1.0 is right on the heels of New York 1.1 now. Florida is hanging in staying at 0.5

I wonder if Gov. Cuomo now regrets having NYC split off? The NYC 0.5 number would probably help.

To be clear.
I am not celebrating death numbers. If the 7 day Cases numbers are used there is always the question of number of tests by a given state. I think that it's more difficult to question the death statistics. I do include the cases numbers below FWIW.

Jan. 9, 2021 12:15 p.m.

State/Territory	Average Daily Deaths per 100k in Last 7 Days
Rhode Island	1.8
Arizona	1.7
Kansas	1.4
Mississippi	1.4
New Mexico	1.4
West Virginia	1.4
Pennsylvania	1.3
Wyoming	1.3
Arkansas	1.2
Connecticut	1.2
Indiana	1.2
Michigan	1.2
Nebraska	1.2
Tennessee	1.2
Illinois	1.1
New York*	1.1
California	1
Massachusetts	1
Montana	1
New Jersey	1
Nevada	1
South Carolina	1
Maine	0.9
South Dakota	0.9
Iowa	0.8
Missouri	0.8
North Dakota	0.8
Alabama	0.7
Colorado	0.7
Idaho	0.7
Kentucky	0.7
Louisiana	0.7
Maryland	0.7
Minnesota	0.7
New Hampshire	0.7
Texas	0.7
North Carolina	0.6
Ohio	0.6
Oklahoma	0.6
Wisconsin	0.6
District of Columbia	0.5
Florida	0.5
New York City*	0.5
Georgia	0.4
Utah	0.4
Virginia	0.4
Vermont	0.4
Alaska	0.3
Delaware	0.3
Guam	0.3
Oregon	0.3
Puerto Rico	0.3
Washington	0.3
Hawaii	0.1
Virgin Islands	0.1
American Samoa	0
Federated States of Micronesia	0
Northern Mariana Islands	0
Palau	0
Republic of Marshall Islands	0

State/Territory	Average Daily Cases per 100k in Last 7 Days
Arizona	126.4
Rhode Island	116.5
Tennessee	99.2
California	98.8
Arkansas	98.4
Utah	92.3
Oklahoma	87.7
New York*	86.1
West Virginia	85
South Carolina	84.9
Kentucky	83.7
Alabama	81.6
Georgia	76.9
Nevada	74.5
Indiana	74.3
Mississippi	73.3
North Carolina	72.5
Delaware	71.7
Kansas	70.5
Louisiana	70
Massachusetts	69.9
Florida	69.1
Connecticut	68.3
Texas	66.8
Ohio	64.4
New York City*	64.3
New Mexico	61
New Jersey	59.5
Pennsylvania	58.9
Virginia	55.5
New Hampshire	55
Illinois	50.3
Iowa	50.2
Nebraska	50.2
Wisconsin	49.2
Idaho	48.7
South Dakota	47.9
Colorado	46.7
Missouri	46.2
Maryland	45.8
Maine	44.7
Wyoming	43.4
Alaska	42.9
Montana	42.7
Michigan	38.8
Minnesota	36.1
District of Columbia	35.8
Washington	32.4
North Dakota	31.3
Oregon	24.3
Vermont	22.7
Puerto Rico	22.4
Virgin Islands	12.8
Hawaii	11.2
Guam	7.8
Northern Mariana Islands	0.8
American Samoa	0
Federated States of Micronesia	0
Palau	0
Republic of Marshall Islands	0

vic

 

[Kajtek1]

California 1.0 is right on the heels of New York 1.1 now. Florida is hanging in staying at 0.5

California alone is having bigger population than New York and Florida combined.
This chart shows numbers per capita, what is good, but beware that some people play with statistics.

 

[flman]

California alone is having bigger population than New York and Florida combined.
This chart shows numbers per capita, what is good, but beware that some people play with statistics.

So that would mean the CA is not counting all of the lockdown created death as CCP virus? About time.

 

[Aqua Puttana]

California stepped up and is tied with California.

I have colored red the states which I would classify as strict. My choices are somewhat subjective. The "strict" states aren't grouped together, nor are they the best performing. As a reminder. The numbers are the last 7 days average. They are all based upon the same basic time period.

The red color selections are based upon the information in the link at following the table.

CDC | Updated: Jan 12 2021 1:31PM
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State/Territory	Average Daily Deaths per 100k in Last 7 Days
Arizona	2.1
Kansas	1.8
Pennsylvania	1.7
West Virginia	1.6
Mississippi	1.5
Tennessee	1.5
Alabama	1.4
Nevada	1.4
Arkansas	1.3
New Mexico	1.3
Wyoming	1.3
California	1.2
Michigan	1.2
Nebraska	1.2
New York*	1.2
Rhode Island	1.2
South Dakota	1.2
Illinois	1.1
Indiana	1.1
Massachusetts	1.1
Montana	1.1
New Jersey	1.1
Connecticut	1
Louisiana	1
Texas	1
Maine	0.9
Missouri	0.9
North Carolina	0.9
New Hampshire	0.9
South Carolina	0.9
North Dakota	0.8
Oklahoma	0.8
Wisconsin	0.8
Colorado	0.7
Delaware	0.7
Florida	0.7
Georgia	0.7
Iowa	0.7
Idaho	0.7
Maryland	0.7
Minnesota	0.7
New York City*	0.7
Ohio	0.7
Kentucky	0.6
District of Columbia	0.5
Virginia	0.5
Oregon	0.4
Puerto Rico	0.4
Utah	0.4
Washington	0.4
Vermont	0.3
Hawaii	0.2
Alaska	0.1
Guam	0.1
American Samoa	0
Federated States of Micronesia	0
Northern Mariana Islands	0
Palau	0
Republic of Marshall Islands	0
Virgin Islands	0

See Coronavirus Restrictions and Mask Mandates for All 50 States

Many states are considering fresh restrictions on business and in some cases urging residents to stay home to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

www.nytimes.com

vic

 

[flman]

I notice FL at the bottom of the list, and no lockdown BS.

 

[autostaretx]

I'm always amused at how folks in the US are complaining about "lockdowns" ... which are nowhere NEAR as tight as places like the UK (no travel greater than 5 km, for example).

--dick

 

[flman]

I'm always amused at how folks in the US are complaining about "lockdowns" ... which are nowhere NEAR as tight as places like the UK (no travel greater than 5 km, for example).

--dick

So that means the tighter ones are not working any better than the looser ones. Besides this is America and should not be compared to what other countries do, at least for another week.

 

[flman]

Now that Biden has stolen Trump's landslide, Cuoma is going to stop his scorched earth policy.

Kirstie Alley declares a 'Covid miracle …ish' in New York

As we told you yesterday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo pulled a full 180 and told New Yorkers that it’s time to open the state back up: We simply cannot stay closed until the vaccine hits critical mass. The c…

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[Aqua Puttana]

I'm always amused at how folks in the US are complaining about "lockdowns" ... which are nowhere NEAR as tight as places like the UK (no travel greater than 5 km, for example).

--dick

My point is whether the more strict lockdowns achieve measurable worthwhile positive results among states in the USA, not as compared to other countries.

Using today's data with same "strict" states highlighted for both deaths and cases.

CDC | Updated: Jan 13 2021 12:16PM
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State/Territory	Average Daily Deaths per 100k in Last 7 Days
Arizona	2.3
Alabama	2
Kansas	1.8
Pennsylvania	1.7
Tennessee	1.6
Mississippi	1.5
West Virginia	1.5
Arkansas	1.4
New Mexico	1.4
Nevada	1.4
Rhode Island	1.4
Wyoming	1.4
California	1.3
Nebraska	1.3
New York*	1.2
South Dakota	1.2
Illinois	1.1
Massachusetts	1.1
New Jersey	1.1
Connecticut	1
Iowa	1
Louisiana	1
Michigan	1
South Carolina	1
Texas	1
Indiana	0.9
Maine	0.9
North Carolina	0.9
New Hampshire	0.9
Georgia	0.8
Missouri	0.8
Montana	0.8
Oklahoma	0.8
Delaware	0.7
Florida	0.7
Idaho	0.7
Minnesota	0.7
Ohio	0.7
Wisconsin	0.7
Colorado	0.6
Kentucky	0.6
Maryland	0.6
New York City*	0.6
Virginia	0.6
District of Columbia	0.5
Utah	0.5
Washington	0.5
North Dakota	0.4
Oregon	0.4
Puerto Rico	0.4
Hawaii	0.2
Vermont	0.2
Alaska	0.1
Guam	0.1
American Samoa	0
Federated States of Micronesia	0
Northern Mariana Islands	0
Palau	0
Republic of Marshall Islands	0
Virgin Islands	0

The "strict" states don't group together for 7 day average cases either, but the obvious rebuttal to the cases data is that not all testing is equal across states.


CDC | Updated: Jan 13 2021 12:16PM
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State/Territory	Average Daily Cases per 100k in Last 7 Days
Arizona	134.7
California	106.6
Oklahoma	105
Rhode Island	101.7
Arkansas	97.8
New York*	94.9
Utah	92.1
Georgia	90.9
Tennessee	90.4
Kentucky	89.2
Massachusetts	88.8
South Carolina	86.8
New Jersey	85.1
North Carolina	82.5
Alabama	82.3
Louisiana	80.8
Nevada	80.6
Connecticut	80.5
West Virginia	80
Indiana	79.4
Kansas	79.4
Delaware	78.4
Mississippi	75.2
Texas	75
New York City*	74.4
Florida	72.3
Ohio	70.8
Pennsylvania	66.4
New Mexico	64.6
Wyoming	61.8
Virginia	59
Wisconsin	57.3
Illinois	54.6
New Hampshire	54.2
Maryland	51.9
Idaho	51.4
Iowa	50.3
Missouri	50.1
Montana	49.4
Nebraska	49
District of Columbia	45.7
Colorado	43.3
Maine	43.2
South Dakota	43.1
Washington	37.1
Alaska	35
Minnesota	34.5
Michigan	33.6
Oregon	28.1
Vermont	27.7
North Dakota	24.4
Puerto Rico	22.5
Hawaii	13.4
Virgin Islands	11.7
Guam	7.3
Northern Mariana Islands	1.5
Federated States of Micronesia	0.1
American Samoa	0
Palau	0
Republic of Marshall Islands	0

Even Covid book author and expert Gov. Cuomo has realized there may be minimal gain vs trashing the economy.

To save face he states:
"We simply cannot stay closed until the vaccine hits critical mass. The cost is too high. We will have nothing left to open. We must reopen the economy, but we must do it smartly and safely.#SOTS2021"

— Andrew Cuomo (@NYGovCuomo) January 11, 2021

He would never admit that just possibly he was wrong with imposing such strict economic sanctions on private businesses.



vic

 

[Kajtek1]

And again, to bring some perspective to above statistics, you need to compare the population.
For the states that I know, the 1.4 deaths per 100k in Nevada equals to 42 dead people.
The 1.3 in California totals 520 people.
Same comparing lockdowns in Europe to USA.
In Europe in lot of agglomerations you have millions of people living on 1 square mile.
In USA I can think only about NY city having that kind of density.
Not even saying that LA agglomeration can make 400 km 1 direction drive without leaving city borders.

 

[Aqua Puttana]

And again, to bring some perspective to above statistics, you need to compare the population.
For the states that I know, the 1.4 deaths per 100k in Nevada equals to 42 dead people.
The 1.3 in California totals 520 people.
Same comparing lockdowns in Europe to USA.
In Europe in lot of agglomerations you have millions of people living on 1 square mile.
In USA I can think only about NY city having that kind of density.
Not even saying that LA agglomeration can make 400 km 1 direction drive without leaving city borders.

Except that many of the states do have very similar populations and conditions and are doing better than the similar "strict" states. I provided a number of "strict" states. I didn't pick and choose.

I'm not providing detailed analysis. I didn't specify which to compare. It is general data from the CDC.

I know what the strict lockdowns in New York State have done to our local private businesses. Many have been announcing permanent closings. Many... most of the big corporations like Target, Walmart, etc. that Cuomo didn't close are reporting strong sales, possibly records. Many of the small businesses that he determined non-essential sell the same stuff. Cuomo just lost a lawsuit by our local Buffalo area restaurants. The businesses are now... finally allowed to open. At least the ones can open that Cuomo's liquor authority thugs didn't find reasons to pull business licenses for violating various regulations. It seems odd that those businesses were mostly those that participated in the winning lawsuits.

I'm retired. I'm doing fine. Our extra government money has been distributed. Many people aren't as fortunate as we are. I'm worried about many other working families who have lost jobs and income.

vic

 

[flman]

Vic, you are a true selfless American!

 

[Aqua Puttana]

Except that many of the states do have very similar populations and conditions and are doing better than the similar "strict" states. I provided a number of "strict" states. I didn't pick and choose.
...
vic

Arguably these states are similar to each other and in the same general area.

Similar states Jan. 15, 2021 4:00 p.m.
Virginia - Business Mostly Open - Mandatory Masks - No Stay Home - 0.6 Deaths
North Carolina - Business Open Mixed - Mandatory Masks - Stay Home Orders - 0.8 Deaths
South Carolina - Business Mostly Open - Masks Sometimes - No Stay Home - 0.8 Deaths
Tennessee - Business Mostly Open - No Masks - No Stay Home - 1.6 Death

North Carolina has more strict lockdown than South Carolina and have similar numbers. Tennessee has no masks. A casual look at some of the highest death rate states makes it appear that no masks is not a consistent factor as to higher count.

See Coronavirus Restrictions and Mask Mandates for All 50 States

Many states are considering fresh restrictions on business and in some cases urging residents to stay home to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

www.nytimes.com

COVID-19 Cases, Deaths, and Trends in the US | CDC COVID Data Tracker

Find national and local rates for COVID cases and deaths in the United States.

covid.cdc.gov

It is certainly not any kind of detailed study, but it is an indication that there are likely other factors involved in the better numbers other than strict lockdown.

vic

 

[Kajtek1]

It is all politics for me. I prized our NV governor for fast response back in March, who prevented Covid spread by closing casinos and other business.
That did not last long as political pressure was to have casinos running.
Now besides masks and bigger customers spacing, we don't have many restrictions and compare the numbers from March, to todays.
We just enter long weekend and Grand Canyon helicopters are flying. Where do you think the line will point in a week?

 

[Aqua Puttana]

It is all politics for me. I prized our NV governor for fast response back in March, who prevented Covid spread by closing casinos and other business.
That did not last long as political pressure was to have casinos running.
Now besides masks and bigger customers spacing, we don't have many restrictions and compare the numbers from March, to todays.
We just enter long weekend and Grand Canyon helicopters are flying. Where do you think the line will point in a week?

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It's not all politics for me. I'm just not convinced that strict lockdowns gain as much as claimed. Where did I mention politics?
vic

 

[Kajtek1]

Letting people die only to have higher tax revenue is not political?
OK I can come with different names for procedure, but that will make the topic hardcore one.

 

[autostaretx]

For any state:
It would be interesting to map the bars and taverns open/closed periods against the "week later" case count and the "3-4 weeks later" death counts.
Interior-seating Restaurants would be another variable.

--dick

 

[Aqua Puttana]

Letting people die only to have higher tax revenue is not political?
OK I can come with different names for procedure, but that will make the topic hardcore one.

But that is exactly the simplistic narrow view that I oppose. In many places addictions are up, homicides are up, child abuse is up, domestic violence... suicides... depression... untreated fatal heart attacks...

There are other health factors to consider, let alone economics.

For any state:
It would be interesting to map the bars and taverns open/closed periods against the "week later" case count and the "3-4 weeks later" death counts.
Interior-seating Restaurants would be another variable.

--dick

The restaurants/bars in our area have brought suit against NYS and Gov. Cuomo's closings by using the statistics of contact tracing among others. The statistics show that restaurants and bars have not been the greatest source of infections. Their argument is strong enough that a judge granted interim permission to open until the case is officially settled.

This is all new territory. Many people like to think they know exactly what is needed. Nobody knows for certain what is necessary/effective and what is overreaction.

vic

 

[flman]

For any state:
It would be interesting to map the bars and taverns open/closed periods against the "week later" case count and the "3-4 weeks later" death counts.
Interior-seating Restaurants would be another variable.

--dick

"Live free or die."
"Give me liberty or give me death."

What's wrong with people taking their own risk, sort of like the way people are risking their sanity over a fear campaign?

 

[Kajtek1]

What's wrong with people taking their own risk, sort of like the way people are risking their sanity over a fear campaign?

Do you think human race is up to this?
How many Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerberg we had in last 50 years?