Why lockdowns are the wrong policy

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flman

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Here's a petition you can sign, not sure it's going to help?

 

Kajtek1

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Go back into your safe space, or your bubble. I work around a lot of men that do the same. We have something called an active immune system.
So Trump says.
Some impressions how lock down works in Nevada.
Our governor - Sisolak was very fast in his reaction after seeing what virus did in WA and CA and locked the casinos before epidemic in the state.
So back in April and May - Nevada had only single cases of virus recorded.
Then other politics - including Las Vegas Major - pressed Sisolak to reopen.
He did partial reopening in June and cases skyrocket. The reopening was partially reversed and September show nice reduction in numbers.
So October brought 2nd stage of reopening and look like number of cases is skyrocketing again.

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Las Vegas Major and her husband who was Major in the past have their pictures on restaurant mural in the city.
That picture got updated this summer - read the masks.

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flman

Making Turbo Cry!
So Trump says.
Some impressions how lock down works in Nevada.
Our governor - Sisolak was very fast in his reaction after seeing what virus did in WA and CA and locked the casinos before epidemic in the state.
So back in April and May - Nevada had only single cases of virus recorded.
Then other politics - including Las Vegas Major - pressed Sisolak to reopen.
He did partial reopening in June and cases skyrocket. The reopening was partially reversed and September show nice reduction in numbers.
So October brought 2nd stage of reopening and look like number of cases is skyrocketing again.

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Las Vegas Major and her husband who was Major in the past have their pictures on restaurant mural in the city.
That picture got updated this summer - read the masks.

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Looks like authoritarian indoctrination. So did you sign the petition? Or do you want to see death rates from lock downs, 7X higher than from the China Virus. It is weakening, the death rate was 4%, now it is .0005%.
 

flman

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Kajtek1

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Even the WHO has changed their stance. They are
"Anti Bad Orange Man," that means some of you should change your stance as well.

Sounds like doctors are making economical advises?
We already have President who makes medical advises, so how far that craziness will go?
Coming to real life, I moved to Las Vegas from San Francisco area.
Lot of my Californian friends have jobs who can be done from home and regardless pretty strict closures - in CA business still runs in lot of companies.
That doesn't work with Las Vegas casinos, who had to be closed and since they run about 3/4 of Nevada economy, that was economical disaster.
So they reopened casinos couple months ago and now people are dying by multifold.
Not easy decisions for sure.
 

flman

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Sounds like doctors are making economical advises?
We already have President who makes medical advises, so how far that craziness will go?
Coming to real life, I moved to Las Vegas from San Francisco area.
Lot of my Californian friends have jobs who can be done from home and regardless pretty strict closures - in CA business still runs in lot of companies.
That doesn't work with Las Vegas casinos, who had to be closed and since they run about 3/4 of Nevada economy, that was economical disaster.
So they reopened casinos couple months ago and now people are dying by multifold.
Not easy decisions for sure.
Yes, we can all follow the examples of authoritarians, instead of medical professionals, and keep on hiding, while an entire generation of youth is being destroyed, for a few older people that already have a pension or whatever, so that they can enjoy their last couple of years of life.

That sounds pretty selfish, that some can stay at home and work, without blue collar and other service people they would not be able to do this. Are you like Biden, thankful for the black woman stocking shelves at the grocery store?

Showing me the stats of people dying, bunch of BS.
 
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Aqua Puttana

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Some recent info on topic for Sweden.

 

autostaretx

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Weeelllll ...
Did Sweden do it right? Sort of a whimpy shut-down (some schools).
Population 10 million, 5907 total deaths (so far), 584 deaths per million, 10,000 cases per million, about 10% towards "herd immunity"

Japan effectively didn't lock down.
Population 127 million, 1638 total deaths (yes, less than 2K), 13 deaths per million, 713 cases per million.
Now the kicker: a recent (not yet peer reviewed) study of a few hundred people working in a company in Tokyo
found an almost 50% seropositive level .... that's 46.8% of the people had asymptomatic Covid and developed antibodies.
Why so high an antibody level? Why so little medical impact?
Possibilities: (a) everybody wears masks .... so if/when you're exposed to Covid, you don't get much of it. Your body can handle a low-level invasion. (b) people tend to follow orders/suggestions about behavior. You don't get crowds shouting that masks are a violation of (mythical) freedoms and rights. (c) they're a "non tactile" culture ... people don't hug, they tend to bow instead of shaking hands (d) they're a quiet culture ... they don't speak loudly and may even deferentially tilt their heads down (see "shouting" above). (e) effective 14 day quarantine process ... not loose like Australia's was.
The study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.21.20198796v1.full.pdf

Do i think Sweden "did it right"? Not at all by comparison with Japan.
Or Norway: 5.4 million population, 227 total deaths, 51 per million, 2936 cases per million (DID lockdown)
"The lockdown in Norway has been successful in reducing the pressure on the healthcare system. If Norway would have followed the more lenient Swedish response, the peak number of COVID19 hospitalizations would have been three times higher." (source)
Or Finland: 5.5 million pop, 350 total deaths, 63 per million, 2292 cases per million (DID lockdown (mostly))
Or Denmark: 5.8 million pop, 675 total deaths, 116 per million, 5794 cases per million (DID lockdown, reimposing)
(i'm using Scandinavian countries to compare similar ethnic bloodstocks to Sweden)

As Japan shows, lockdowns are an unnecessary sledgehammer ... but if the population doesn't follow reasonable behavioral guidelines, it's one of the few easily-imposed public health mechanisms available.

--dick :popcorn: (a horse's nosebag holds a LOT of popcorn, and is an effective mask)
 

flman

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Some of the people that live in ivory towers, working from home are starting to get it.

 
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