If the feds catch wind of a grey market non compliant engine importer, they may track down the buyers. When this previously happened with Mini Coopers, the end buyers had to remedy the issue and pay for an inspection, or have their vehicle crushed.
yes! The ecm also is illegal. It won’t be mapped to your vin so in a state requiring smog testing wouldn’t even be able to test it.It seems like these guys have been around for a while. Just to make sure before I call them, the EGR not being on there 100% makes it non compliant?
Edited to clarify the difference between parts and complete engines as the EPA defines them.EPA regulates the entire vehicle, not individual parts, for cars, light trucks, medium duty passenger vehicles (MDPVs), chassis-certified HDVs, and motorcycles. If an engine is not installed, and is to be used in a car, motorcycle, or light truck, it may be imported as an automotive part. Anyone may import a non-chassis-mounted light-duty engine for use in a motor vehicle which is currently covered by an EPA certificate or will be covered by an EPA certificate prior to introduction into commerce. No approval or Customs bond is required by EPA. However, importers should be aware that several engine uses are violations of the Clean Air Act:
● Mounting an engine to a chassis to "manufacture" a vehicle without proper certification of conformity from EPA;
● Mounting a non-identical engine to a certified vehicle; and
● Importing an engine for use in an engine-certified heavy-duty vehicle or heavy-duty truck without a proper label indicating that it is covered under a certificate of conformity, or was built prior to 1970, or is otherwise excluded or exempted.
I think I have about six thousand miles on the engine now. I am currently in Montana. I just drove up through Utah on Highway 89 and then up through Wyoming and the Tetons and Yellowstone and then the Beartooth Highway. I have been blown away with the engine and transmission. It has worked flawlessly. Passing any other vehicle at 8000 or 10000 ft on a mountain pass on a 2 lane highway is trivial.
That said, I agree with the other posters about emissions issues. Mine was a complete engine with all US market emissions components including the EGR. Metric Motors sells both long blocks and complete engines. For the long blocks, you are supposed to move over your emissions components. My first reaction was that they expected you to swap over your intake manifold and EGR and whatever else is needed on your 612 to get the emissions components swapped over. It sounds like, as everyone has said, they sold you a euro or Australian version, as that is what their supplier was able to obtain, but I would expect they would supply some caveat that even though yours came with an ECM you should use your original ECM and EGR, etc. Whether you actually do so is up to you and whether you think you can skirt the emissions laws in your situation. Resale value will certainly be affected if you don't swap over the emissions parts, as the van will not be able to to be registered in many states.
Although most of the vocal forum members are firm believers in maintaining emissions compliance (as it is, after all, a violation of federal law, no matter what state you live in, to do otherwise), there are a couple of forum members that would love to pull the tune out of that Euro ECM now that gde is shut down.
Edit: I'd also suggest you NOT post the name of the shop doing the install, as they are the ones breaking the law. I am certain there are forum members that would immediately report the shop to the relevant Washington state authorities. Good luck and I hope your new engine works out for you - mine has been fantastic so far.
2nd edit: I bought a used JDM engine about 10 years ago from one of the many importers and they explicitly stated everything except the long block had to be swapped from the old engine (exhaust, intake manifolds, etc,etc). Inspecting the engine, I found the only actual difference was one hole on the intake, and so I figured it was easier to just add the hole to the new intake. However, my factory Honda engine is still going with over 350,000 miles and the JDM engine is still under my workbench in the garage. The point being, as Midwest drifter pointed out, the installer, not the importer is responsible for emissions compliance.
Mine came with brand new (bosch) injectors, new glow plugs, new high pressure fuel pump, new accessory drive and water pump, new manifolds with turbo and EGR and new harness (correct for my US OBD II ECM)99 sport,
How were the injectors handled on the new engine?
Were they all replaced with rebuilts?
Just assumed the glow plugs are new?
That engine is the 612 beauty queen, gotta love the intake manifold.
bill in tomahawk
The emissions are largely a function of ECM programming and devices fitted. I expect the long block and fuel system is identical and fitting your old manifold and ECM will achieve the same performance and emissions.Appreciate your reply 99!
I had a thought that I messaged Midwest about but figured it may be helpful to forum as a whole so figured I’d make it public here;
Based on my thread reading and limited knowledge (by no means a mechanic), is the only difference between my engine pictures below and a compliant one the intake manifold and EGR? Specifically, if there is no EGR on European ones, is there something else that makes the engine different ASIDE from the intake manifold and EGR?
I was thinking that because it is brand new, maybe it would be worth just transferring my old intake manifold and EGR and calling it a day?
A wiring harness came with the engine but apparently the connections are different so the guys installing are using my old wiring harness. Should have an update tomorrow. I by no means am trying to skate emissions - I just want a working van.
So why did the repair shop not halt work at that point and call you?Interestingly, the guys found a loose bolt from the transmission install floating around in the flex plate area. You can see it shredded that thing up. This is almost exactly where the bottom end noise was coming from. So at the end of the day, maybe I didn’t need a new engine, just a new flex plate? Such is life. Previous engine had 342k miles.
So why did the repair shop not halt work at that point and call you?
IMO Any respectable shop should have done just that and not pressed on blindly!
Love those smooth intake runners.Based on my thread reading and limited knowledge (by no means a mechanic), is the only difference between my engine pictures below and a compliant one the intake manifold and EGR? Specifically, if there is no EGR on European ones, is there something else that makes the engine different ASIDE from the intake manifold and EGR?