311cdi injector leak black death

napster

White Van Man
Hi from lancashire england

Ive been lurking through the forums for a couple of days browsed through loads of threads and decided to post my own after rifling through various threads all 3 pages + long

As ull see from the pic im trying to cure a leaking injector on a sprinter 311 cdi which had got so bad of a leak it no longer started.

Managed to clean up most of the carbon and identified the injector number 1 the one nearest. So now ive took off the top of the injector but the valve is still in place which im not sure how to get out? I realise this will have to come out to get the tool in

Im yet to order an injector removal tool but I get the feeling this one aint gonna budge so its currently soaked in lube.

Is there any way to remove it without buying a tool which im only gonna use once?
 
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napster

White Van Man
can anyone help me remove the top part of the injector where the valve sits in or provide another way to remove the injector?
 

napster

White Van Man
HI this van is still sat in the workshop with the top half of the injector removed IE the head.

I still cant seem to find a way to remove the inner part of the injector to get the slide hammer / removal tool in.

Its basically the circular valve with 3 dots around it.

Would really appreciate if someone could help me out here.......
 

Dingo

New member
Afternoon ,

A local HGV & diesel specialist use a travelling specialist who pulls injectors

Ring 01253763319 & speak to Mick , he should be able to give you the number

Hope this helps you

Steve
In Sunny St.Annes
 

napster

White Van Man
Afternoon ,

A local HGV & diesel specialist use a travelling specialist who pulls injectors

Ring 01253763319 & speak to Mick , he should be able to give you the number

Hope this helps you

Steve
In Sunny St.Annes
hi thanks for the reply, is it that much of a difficult job?

Any ideas how much these guys charge, as ive cleaned up most of the carbon which took me hours it seems a shame to rope someone else in.
 

lindenengineering

Well-known member
Yes I would second Steve (Dingo's) post.
Hazet makes a cup tool that screws onto those treads and you can then pull it out!

PROVIDING its not too stuck in there!
"cos if its solid it will tear the threads off!

Plan B if stuck fast its then has to be "African bush method --Bring Fire Mister!" ) and heat the injector body with a #5 tip on the oxy bottle kit. That usually is enough to get the crud/carbon fluid enough to shift it under pulling load.

If that not workee then its a spark erosion job!
Again I had one similar only the other month!
You don't need to go there unless absolutely necessary so lets hop the travelling "injector remover bloke is successful!

Oh and by the way don't believe Steve "Sunny St Ann's" --like Peeing Preston, rumour has it that Lancastrian are born with webbed feet!:lol:
Dennis
 

napster

White Van Man
dear dennis thanks for the reply i will consider my options and look into the hazet tool mentioned.

I fear the injector removal man mite just tear the thing to bits but i guess there proabably experts at the job but i fear it as a risk as well as a financial burden on an already increasingly costly project.


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Wow i find it amazing how you are in US and are armed with local knowledge :cheers:

Im actually not far from peeing preston myself.
 

Dingo

New member
Oh and by the way don't believe Steve "Sunny St Ann's" --like Peeing Preston, rumour has it that Lancastrian are born with webbed feet!:lol:
Dennis[/QUOTE]

Cheeky bugger Dennis , it was sunny earlier . And there is an E on the end mate ! !

Napster , not sure of costs etc , that was why i gave you Mick's number . He told me about getting this guy to pull various injectors , using if i remember a hydraulic puller system , he has always been helpful in providing info .

Dieseltech do not actually have a website , they are too busy fixing things to bother about a web apge
 

lindenengineering

Well-known member
Napster.
The Hazet cup tool adapter part number 4797-3 is the bit I was refering to and it also comes with a removal fork 4797-2.

If you check with a Hazet supplier it has a slide hammer as parts of the kit, although I use a 16mm set bolt and nut on a Snap on bridge puller bar to pull on it.

Of course you could get Steve to help you tow it up on top of Pendle Hill and get the witches up there to trick it out! There's good pub nearby where you can wet your whistle (Thwaites) and have a ploughmans lunch.

Steve notice I put the "E" in Thwaites lad!

For our American readers Lancashire can be a bit rainy and dull from time to time but its full of colourful characters which makes up for them dreary days.
Here's a famous Lancashire Ambassador:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=945T56ZxFkE
Cheers Dennis
 

Boater

New member
The guy who specializes in removing injectors is less likely to make a mess of it than anyone else, BUT note Dennis' caveat that sometimes you need to spark erode the remainder out - there is an element of luck when things are that messed up :(
 

napster

White Van Man
Dear Dennis,
Done some googling on these hazet bits and ive come across both bits which i can order from germany.
4797-3 is not much of a problem and is quite cheap.
4797-3 http://www.ebay.com/itm/HAZET-4797-..._Automotive_Tools&hash=item35d235c58b&vxp=mtr around $350

Now im just wondering will this remove the inside of the injector / valve IE: the picture i showed earlier or will it pop the injector straight out?



My original idea was to remove the inside of the injector and then try and use a conventional style injector puller kit like this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261142661999?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Im watching this video on youtube and the guy just pulls the bit out with a magnet!! 0:35 - 0:40. So forgive me for being a little confused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7GaLtbwCr8

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Well funny you should mention Thwaites, my sprinter is parked litterally down the road from the main brewery in blackburn lancashire. We can smell the ale being brewed in the mornings.:cheers:
 

lindenengineering

Well-known member
Napster
That threaded cup will pull the whole injector out.

I could do with a pint of Thwaites and the last time I had one was the night before I came over here at the Cock & Bottle in Tarleton.
Just a memory now.
Cheers Dennis
 

napster

White Van Man
Napster
That threaded cup will pull the whole injector out.

I could do with a pint of Thwaites and the last time I had one was the night before I came over here at the Cock & Bottle in Tarleton.
Just a memory now.
Cheers Dennis
Thanks im planning to update the thread accordingly as im sure theres loads of people with this problem as it has had litterlly hundreds of views.
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Had to look Tarleton up as im more towards Blackburn / Clitheroe sides:

Tarleton is a village and civil parish situated in the Lancashire mosslands north east of Southport, and to the south west of Preston, in North West England. The village is known for farming due to its rich soil quality.
 

Boater

New member
The mosses are lethal! Unfenced single track roads with a big drop-off. I like them!

Thwaites dark mild - sometimes have a few cans if I'm down on the Wirral and not heading out to the pub, don't think the pubs we normally go to have Thwaites on.
 

lindenengineering

Well-known member
Yes
Single track roads!
My ex wife from Colorado hated them and one rainy evening drove the district nurse off a narrow two lane road into a field in her little FI--AT!

As a local gardner said leaning over the hedge "Eeh by gum, the lady had to take eeevasive action to avoid the blonde Yank in a yellow Truimph sports car driving ont wrong side of roooad!--Blody 'ell lad!:lol:
"Then she had the ordacity to say that uz Brits drive ont wrong side of roooad----can yah believe that--we had roooads before they had a country! ":lol:


Actually I have taken several groups of Americans to the area of Lancashire after doing the Lundun thing!
North Americans loved the Thwaites and South Americans (Venezuelans) all like Napster's area who where enamoured with a Clitheroe country fair and a sheep gathering(herding) competition. Of course the highlight for them was a trip across the moors to Haworth and the Bronte rectory and church.
I stood back at one stage watching the Ven delegation asa group trying to have a broken English chat with a Lancashire farmer! Fun just be itself!:laughing:
Dennis
 

Dingo

New member
Dennis , i think we are back to ....
Puddin , chips , peawet , gravy , barmcake an gi us a can o dandelion & burdock

Tha dunt know tha's born lad
The tallest thing in Tarleton is the speed hump by the school
 

Dingo

New member
Napster , finally got hold of the info

The man to speak to is Brian at Blackpool Road & rally on 01253 394022
for this area he charges £70 per injector he pulls , he may know of someone closer to you as he got his kit from Blackburn area

Hope this helps you out :bash:
 

napster

White Van Man
Just thought id update and see if theres any more constructive advise for my long lived black death nightmare.

Well i tried Dingos reccomendation on calling out the above named contact however he did not have the kit for the mercedes sprinter just like many of the other people i called.

After lots of ringing around and some expensive quotes in some cases £230 incl call out charge for one injector only. After further consideration i decided to go ahead and bite the bullet and invest in the toolkit.

In the end i decided to buy the hazet kit c/w the removal fork as discussed earlier in the thread.

It arrived this morning from Germany and i took to work on my injector. After some figuring out on how it works and having to contends with a slight kink in the top of the injector from my diy removal attempts. Heres the results:


so hey presto some months later my injector is finally out!

Now im thinking of the next steps going to pick up a new injector in the morning just thinking what i have to do with the hole which looks to be filled with carbon.

Ive been reading about resurafcing or reseating but not really sure what to do. Was thinking of just cleaning it out and putting the new injector and copper seal back.

Could any of you guys offers some guidance on refitment....
 

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