Diagnostic Manuals?! Same as Service Manual or Not?

220629

Well-known member
Yes, there is a Russian parts catalog.

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-Jon
Thanks Jon that's what I remembered.

Looking at numbers...



Guyana Gangster

WDYPD7441X55778695


Vic's 2004 Dodge External VIN

WD2PD644545649271

Vic's 2004 Dodge Internal VIN

WD290366215649271 0

Let's get his number to more look like mine

Change the "Y" to 2 and drop the "X".

WD2PD744155778695
WD2PD644545649271

At least it now has a similar format. Will the altered number work? I don't have access to data card info unless it's in ALLDATA and I missed it. :idunno: FWIW. vic

Edit: If the card at least comes up as a 2005 model year - "I have a buddy here in Guyana and his Sprinter 2005 T1N is giving him serious grief" - then maybe it's his card?
 
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jdcaples

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Changing the "Y" to a "2" and dropping the "X" still comes back as an invalid VIN.

FWIW, WDYPD7441X55778695 doesn't work in the Germany either. It's too long. There's no record matching this VIN.

We've not encountered an invalid VIN before now..... strange.



-Jon
 
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DaneNobby

New member
How apt an invalid VIN for an invalid %$*%$@ engine ;-(

My vehicle is a 2005 Freightliner 2500, T1N Sprinter. Bought 2nd hand in the USA.

Guess it's one of those built in Europe, broken into parts, shipped to USA, rebuilt and rebadged as a tax avoidance Dodge/Freightliner ;-)

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Anyone able to help me out in regard to the problems trapping me here? PLEASE :

1) Stuck in Mobile View in this forum so cannot post pictures, smilies or formatted text: ANNOYING

2) The pins in my ECU/ECM don't match diagrams AH COME ON DID I ANTAGNISE THE DIETY SOMEHOW?! ;-(
https://sprinter-source.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19224

3) http://www.sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20868
 

220629

Well-known member
Looks like you just need to drop the X from the VIN - I checked using
http://www.autocalculator.org/Free-VIN-lookup.aspx
And the number was too long, figuring the X was at a break point I dropped it and the search returns a 1995 Dodge made in Germany.....

Might help some of the others help you - I am completely new to sprinters (3 days)!
Good observation. Maybe "WD2" is Dodge and "WDY" is the Freightliner import designation? :idunno:

The last 7 numbers don't change for either the external or internal number on my data card so I suspect those numbers are always vehicle specific. vic
 

DaneNobby

New member
Ok, guys & gals so we've mastered the arcane mysteries of the VIN

But whatcan we do about actually getting the vehicle out of here?!

Sorry if I sound a little tetchy but I've spent the morning getting torn a new one by a very patronizing civil.servant and having to negotiate my right to keep the vehicle here for couple more days without penalty.

Someone please help solve why the egr bypass lead to a totally non functioning turbo.a new error code 0102 that actually turns a running engine off immediately if you clear it with a Scangauge?

Failing that any help.tips or tricks to solve the original problems.I derailed that are trapping me here?

Dex

P l E A S E. :-(
 

jdcaples

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I think you should call Andy Bittenbinder's Sprinter Hotline: 412-366-6165 during business hours for US Eastern timezone (Pennsylvania).
-Jon
 

sailquik

Well-known member
Jon,
I agree completely!
He has been listening to alot crazy ideas that maybe "band-aided" some Sprinter owners
issue in the past.
He may be at FUBAR (yes....that's "beyond all recovery"!)
Instead of looking at the turbo actuator (which one cannot do with a ScanGauge II beyond
knowing if the actuator works and the turbo develops pressure) he's removed the EGR (might have been the issue....maybe not,
but again not something that can be diagnosed with a ScanGauge II.
Did anyone ever explain that the ScanGauge II is a performance monitoring device....NOT a diagnostic device.
So they will have torn up (removed) the catalytic convertor based on another "opinion" that worked somewhere in the past.
I really hope that they haven't screwed up the poor Sprinter's engine management "systems and sensors" to the point that it will never run again.
Everything they try seems to make it worse, and yet they continue to tear into things that are working until they "Fix" them so they no longer work.
The van was running, albeit in some LHM mode, but was driveable.
Now it won't run at all.
I'm sorry, but one cannot "test" a vehicles systems by revving it up in a parking lot.
If it would run....even weakly, he could be out of Guyana in into a country that has the proper diagnostics and parts to repair the problem.
Even at 5 mph in first gear up a hill and coasting down the other side, he would have been
moving in the right direction.
A very sad story.... and one that Dr. A probably could have guided them through to the real issue long ago.
I know that this does not help his situation at all, but if I were in his situation I for sure would not be removing anything.
The van was functional with all those parts installed (it was driven there) so it most likely could be driven (under it's own power) to somewhere
with the proper diagnostics and technicians.
Roger
 
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skydiver007

DRB III Owner If You Need
Jon,
I agree completely!
He has been listening to alot crazy ideas that maybe "band-aided" some Sprinter owners
issue in the past.
He may be at FUBAR (yes....that's "beyond all recovery"!)
Instead of looking at the turbo actuator (which one cannot do with a ScanGauge II beyond
knowing if the actuator works and the turbo develops pressure) he's removed the EGR (might have been the issue....maybe not,
but again not something that can be diagnosed with a ScanGauge II.
Did anyone ever explain that the ScanGauge II is a performance monitoring device....NOT a diagnostic device.
So they will have torn up (removed) the catalytic convertor based on another "opinion" that worked somewhere in the past.
I really hope that they haven't screwed up the poor Sprinter's engine management "systems and sensors" to the point that it will never run again.
Everything they try seems to make it worse, and yet they continue to tear into things that are working until they "Fix" them so they no longer work.
The van was running, albeit in some LHM mode, but was driveable.
Now it won't run at all.
I'm sorry, but one cannot "test" a vehicles systems by revving it up in a parking lot.
If it would run....even weakly, he could be out of Guyana in into a country that has the proper diagnostics and parts to repair the problem.
Even at 5 mph in first gear up a hill and coasting down the other side, he would have been
moving in the right direction.
A very sad story.... and one that Dr. A probably could have guided them through to the real issue long ago.
I know that this does not help his situation at all, but if I were in his situation I for sure would not be removing anything.
The van was functional with all those parts installed (it was driven there) so it most likely could be driven (under it's own power) to somewhere
with the proper diagnostics and technicians.
Roger
Sir,

Other than Andy have you ever met a "Qualified Sprinter Technician" If you have and seeing that you live in NC, please share. The idiots here have the nerve to tell me that Sprinters are old and no one works on them anymore to quote the dealership. I have now spent close to 2k for the dealer to tell me what is not wrong.

I have been on the phone for the last 2 weeks with Andy trying to solve my issues which are identical to this thread.

I own a DRB III and have all the information and codes and this problem will still not go away.

If you have eliminated all other problems, then what is left.

Currently mine runs fine if I keep revs below 3k which translates to about 70MPH. With the DRB connected running down the road I can see that before I go into LHM that if the ecm requires any turbo pressure above 30psi the EGR starts going crazy and shuts off. Then the turbo pressure goes low and LHM kicks in. It appears that any difference greater than 7psi from what the ECM expects to see sets LHM. I suspect the EGR but this is the 2nd new one from Europarts. The MAF sensor also goes a little crazy before this. I know that the O2 sensor, MAF and EGR all work together.

All other numbers from the DRB look normal and there are no other error codes other than 2359-001 from the DRB. This is the real code from the DRB, the code you are getting from the ScanguageII is the same one I was getting. 2359-001 is the real code. With the cat disconnected, the code never comes back, but this releaves a lot of backpressure off of the engine and would mask a leak in the plumbing which is something I cannot find. My next step is to remove the intake to look for leaks. I have not tried to run the engine with the cat disconnected above 60mph because it may damage the exhaust valves. But, revs above 3k do not cause the code to come back.

Mine surges a lot acting like it wants to go and at times it works great. Makes me think of a leak or bad gasket somewher.

Lots of black smoke on accel. When Andy calls back I will be able to provide him with useful information from the DRB.
 

sailquik

Well-known member
To answer your question about "have I ever met a qualified Sprinter technician.... the answer is a resounding yes....several of them.
I had my service done in Norfolk VA at a Dodge dealer and they had a very good tech.
He wanted to move back to his home state of Texas, and FedEx snapped him up in a heartbeat to keep their fleet of Sprinters on the road.
He left and the service was not so good.
Now I have all my service work done by the professional Sprinter specialists/technicians at Sun Motor Cars in Mechanicsburg, PA. They are all well trained and they work in a state of the art shop with all the necessary tools and diagnostic equipment.
They are good enough that I've heard they are doubling the number of dedicated Sprinter
bays in the shop.
Is it a pain to drive up to Mechanicsburg from Cape Hatteras.... you bet, but until I find a
full service genuine Mercedes Benz Sprinter dealer closer, the quality of the service and the after sales/after service support I get fron Sun Motor Cars Sprinter Division makes the drive up to Mechanicsburg well worth the extra effort.

Plus, if I don't like the anwers I get at Sun MC, Dr. A is just a ways west on the PA Turnpike.

I've been around and around with Dodge dealers when I had the '06 3500.
So far I've been very happy with the Mercedes Vans I've purchased from Sun Motor Cars
Sprinter.
Roger
P.S.
I commend you for trying to do some of the work yourself...with the DRB-III and all, but removing/disabling emissions control devices is not a very good idea....your vehicle was designed to work with the devices.
It is also very much against the law (with pretty stiff penalties if you are caught) to remove or disable EPA mandated and tested emissions control devices.
So, I will continue to make my every 10,000 mile pilgrimage to Mechanicsburg. It's only 3 or
4 trips a year.
Roger
 

DaneNobby

New member
Roger, how about suggesting one of your favorite Sprinter Techs takes a 'holiday' in Guyana; lovely scenary, pretty girls, stranded tourists ;-)

Thanks to everybody who has done their best to help.

We will now either be limping towards Suriname with our fingers crossed or else towing the damn thing there!

We hope for better luck with parts and diagnostic computers etc there. Though I seriously doubt I will find a more amenable, enthusiastic and talented mechanic than Dane (if this wasnt the first Sprinter he had ever SEEN when he towed off the gas station forecourt, I'm sure he've fixed it long ago)

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The MAGIC DOCTOR A?????
To all those who have suggested calling him:
I'd love to. But making an international call to a US specialist from here is not really a practical proposition. Even assuming it doesn't cost me a small ransom, I won't be standing by the vehicle with a cordless phone able to check engine parts and answer queries. I would shouting to be heard over the reggaton and 8 other conversations going on in a international call shop 2 miles away.

So, Does this magic man have an email?
Does he ever visit the forum?
If so, before it's too late, PAGING DOCTOR A; please help a stranded couple down here in Guyana.

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CURRENT STATE OF PLAY:
As anyone who looks back through the last week or so of DaneNobby's posts will see we have tried, checked and cleaned all we reasonably could.

The error codes persist (0404) and point toward a problem with the EGR. We have, however, no other reason to suspect the EGR of malfucntioning.

Dane thinks it much more likely we have a rogue sensor telling the ECU there is a problem with the EGR when there in fact isn't.

We have tried Alex's EGR Bypass circuit on the ECU pins. Some pins were not where they were said to be. As far as I know no-one got back to us to help and clarify that. Hence we gave up and removed it. Then we tried Fred (fdhamlin)'s direct resistor in the EGR plug method. Thanks for trying to help, Fred, but no joy with that either.

It has been suggested it may be the catalytic convertor. But, taking to heart Vic's warnings about not going crazy tearing apart good parts of my engine trying to find a mystery fault, I'm NOT wild about going down that cut and look route.
Maybe, just maybe, before we reach Brazil but I doubt it.

Dane thinks the most likely cause is that the turbo actuator lever has gotten old/tired and now springs too far up out of it's designed range of motion. Then when it's supposed to be pulled back into place and let the turbo work; it cannot be. Thus, our current best solution (don't laugh) is to have put a small metal bracket over the top of the turbo actuator lever; not pinning it down totally just preventing it coming right up out of it's normal range of motion and locking the turbo into inactivity. Now we can drive very slowly to Suriname.

We've tested it driving around town.
It still occasionally goes into limp mode but much less often. When it does that turning the engine off and on sorts the problem for another 20 mins or so at least. I hope like hell we aren't damaging the engine by forcing it to keep running when it doesn't want to. Still, if no-one out there comes out with some brilliant advice then WHAT ELSE CAN I DO to get to Suriname?

Before it enters limp mode the engine will rev up to 3800 RPM going flat out accelerating from a standing start along a flat open road (we are HEAVY). The MAP goes over 30, the LOD goes up to 85% and/or 99% at times. IE> All appears to be functioning as it should.

So, everyone: LAST CHANCE TO CHIP IN & AID A FELLOW SPRINTER OWNER IN DISTRESS.
A day or so after the weekend, I limp mode it's recalictrant arse to Suriname and pray I don't kill it. I hope someone there can do/find/order what I couldnt here.

Can anyone suggest a better course of action/solution this weekend?

Dex (at then end of his rope in Guyana)
 

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