Dangerous Battleborn 12V Battery: Major Safety Issue

irvingj

2015 RT SS Agile (3.0L)
Ouch.

That terminal has a jam nut on it which appears to be tight -- not sure of the construction (and the "plastic" he mentions -that ought to be a metal-to-metal connection), but I wonder if the first nut wasn't torqued down properly/sufficiently to begin with....
 

SSTraveler

2014 LTV Unity Murphy Bed
I'm not surprised. Battleborn/Dragonfly is a good example of a company that meets the saying, If you don't Innovate You Die!
 

EBS-P

Well-known member
Any idea on the number of batteries this might affect? So begs the question what brands are decent?
 

_Zach

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Ouch.

That terminal has a jam nut on it which appears to be tight -- not sure of the construction (and the "plastic" he mentions -that ought to be a metal-to-metal connection), but I wonder if the first nut wasn't torqued down properly/sufficiently to begin with....
It appears all of the current must travel from the terminal through the nuts+bolt and then to the bus bar. There is an ABS-looking sheet between the terminal and the bus bar. Once that plastic is heated, it'll soften, and the tension between the nuts and the terminal will be reduced. What an odd design.

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Cheyenne

UK 2004 T1N 313CDi
A simple fix would be a metal spacer through the plastic sheet to ensure a secure clamped connection. But this would mean destroying the case to install so a none starter.

Really this is just an exceedingly poor design!!!
 

dharmasprint

Well-known member
While the poor connection with buss bar is a definite issue, the ytube video smacks of a take down of Battleborn. The "tiny bolt" comment was telling.

It might be a QC issue on the assembly line or a poor design/implementation issue.
 
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borabora

Well-known member
I wonder if they still design and assemble in the US. It's difficult to believe that this battery would pass a modern engineering review and QC process. Not that everything made in the US is of good quality but this design smacks of ignorance without supervision. Odd!
 

Lagom

Panic in Detroit
This is the reason I bought a FLIR camera ($169), but I bought it to check my connections on two LiFePO4 battery banks (van and cabin). Everything looked fine, but I can see that periodic reinspection is going to be necessary.

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Lagom

Panic in Detroit
I wonder if they still design and assemble in the US. It's difficult to believe that this battery would pass a modern engineering review and QC process. Not that everything made in the US is of good quality but this design smacks of ignorance without supervision. Odd!
I wish it was odd, but I have witnessed multiple examples of faulty processes in US facilities (some were intentionally fraudulent, some just ignorance) dating back to the mid 70’s. The most recent was in COVID testing where a laboratory performed the procedure incorrectly in a way that was obvious in the promotional video they distributed to local media. The error was one that would result in false positives. They picked up the contract for testing from the state of FL and the positivity rate doubled overnight.
 

marklg

Well-known member
This is the reason I bought a FLIR camera ($169), but I bought it to check my connections on two LiFePO4 battery banks (van and cabin). Everything looked fine, but I can see that periodic reinspection is going to be necessary.

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This one is way better for slightly more, much higher resolution, better software you can manually set the temp range.


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Regards,

Mark
 

dharmasprint

Well-known member
It appears all of the current must travel from the terminal through the nuts+bolt and then to the bus bar. There is an ABS-looking sheet between the terminal and the bus bar. Once that plastic is heated, it'll soften, and the tension between the nuts and the terminal will be reduced. What an odd design.

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I hadn't noticed that. I doubt that this is the original design implementation but more likely an assembly line screw up or work around.

The lug bar connection should be on other side of buss bar for a proper connection but maybe the top cover hole was in the wrong place to allow for that.

Got a zoomed pics of other terminal and an overall of the top of the battery case?
 

TrackSprinter

2016 Motovan Boondocker
While the poor connection with buss bar is a definite issue, the ytube video smacks of a take down of Battleborn. The "tiny bolt" comment was telling.

It might be a QC issue on the assembly line or a poor design/implementation issue.
And? Thats the whole point of that channel.

“This could cause catastrophic failure or loss of life, but he sure is being mean.”

Whut?
 

VanGoSki

Well-known member
While the poor connection with buss bar is a definite issue, the ytube video smacks of a take down of Battleborn. The "tiny bolt" comment was telling.

It might be a QC issue on the assembly line or a poor design/implementation issue.

He didn't say "tiny bolt". He said, small bolt, which it is. Ironic that you use hyperbole to accuse someone else of doing it. And it turns out the bolt is made from aluminum which is even worse.

So on what planet is Battleborn not deserving to get taken down over this? They market the hell out of themselves as a premier builder of batteries, for which they charge a premium price. And then we find this timebomb. It's pretty outrageous really.
Overblown outrage for clicks. Oh well. Such is the state of the interwebs.
He tears apart and reviews batteries for a living and he gets just as enthusastic about his positive reviews, which are probably most of them. It's just the way he is. I don't see the need to downplay such a major safety hazard, unless you are affiliated with them.
 

vreihen

🇺🇸 2014 NCV3 170" cargo with OM651
This is the reason I bought a FLIR camera ($169), but I bought it to check my connections on two LiFePO4 battery banks (van and cabin).

For others who may need one, all of our local libraries have FLIR camera kits on the shelf to borrow like a book. The power monopoly donated kits to every library as part of some energy-savings grant they received, so that homeowners can sign the kit out and do a DIY energy survey of their residences.....
 

mrfish27

Well-known member

As an owner of Battleborn batteries (the products and the customer service have worked well for me) I'm curious about this. I went to the DIYSolarForum referenced and found the above video. Take a look starting at 11:50.
 

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