Using 80/20

[GeorgeRa]

thanks for the p/n's ! i apologize, but i don't understand the following statement: "with interweaved on upper and lower edge Teflon coated fishing line" ?
thx
greg

I wasn't very clear, hopefully this post will provide sufficient details. I used HDPE Seaboard by Vycom which is 1/4" nominal, #2210-48 track width is 0.275”. The gap is about 0.025”, enough to allow noisy rattle. I experimented with different fishing line and 0.016" diameter was just right to fill the gap. I think ¼” HDPE nominal is a few thousands less. Works like a champ for the last 7 years and none of fishing lines needed replacement.

“I tested my method of rattle noise elimination from the sliding overhead cabinet doors with success. The method is to drill small holes on the upper on the lower edge and feed the fishing line through it. Using 0.016” fluorocarbon fishing line weaved through ¼” HDPE sliders not only nulls rattle but provides sufficient friction so the doors don’t need latches. I will likely spread the holes 1.25-1.5”. I will drill, my wife will thread the fishing line.”

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[Graphite Dave]

Consider using baskets instead of doors. Less weight, easier access and higher capacity storage. With a basket you can fill the basket. If you fill a overhead cabinet that has doors the contents may fall out when you open the door.

 

[goinoregon]

I wasn't very clear, hopefully this post will provide sufficient details. I used HDPE Seaboard by Vycom which is 1/4" nominal, #2210-48 track width is 0.275”. The gap is about 0.025”, enough to allow noisy rattle. I experimented with different fishing line and 0.016" diameter was just right to fill the gap. I think ¼” HDPE nominal is a few thousands less. Works like a champ for the last 7 years and none of fishing lines needed replacement.

“I tested my method of rattle noise elimination from the sliding overhead cabinet doors with success. The method is to drill small holes on the upper on the lower edge and feed the fishing line through it. Using 0.016” fluorocarbon fishing line weaved through ¼” HDPE sliders not only nulls rattle but provides sufficient friction so the doors don’t need latches. I will likely spread the holes 1.25-1.5”. I will drill, my wife will thread the fishing line.”

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thx. now i get it.

 

[goinoregon]

thx. now i get it.

Consider using baskets instead of doors. Less weight, easier access and higher capacity storage. With a basket you can fill the basket. If you fill a overhead cabinet that has doors the contents may fall out when you open the door.

i am going to be doing a minimal pop up camper build-out in the spring. am thinking of some type of shelving on one side and using plastic containers (clear) for storage. will figure out heights of shelves and containers. figured some type of door or ??, to keep containers from spilling out. like sliding doors for weight savings. am trying to keep weight as low as possible

 

[GeorgeRa]

Consider using baskets instead of doors. Less weight, easier access and higher capacity storage. With a basket you can fill the basket. If you fill a overhead cabinet that has doors the contents may fall out when you open the door.

My sliding doors for 3’ wide and 1’ high cabinets are about 3.5 lbs. For that volume storage baskets wouldn’t be much lighter or not lighter. Benefits of sliding doors are:

• Lower weight than cabinet doors
• No visible mess
• Can remove individual items without a basket removal.
• For odd size items they can be instantly removed, no tools.

 

[goinoregon]

My sliding doors for 3’ wide and 1’ high cabinets are about 3.5 lbs. For that volume storage baskets wouldn’t be much lighter or not lighter. Benefits of sliding doors are:

• Lower weight than cabinet doors
• No visible mess
• Can remove individual items without a basket removal.
• For odd size items they can be instantly removed, no tools.

hi george, in a previous post you mentioned 'latching arm' and i think this was for sliding doors. i have been looking at 80 20 catalog and cant find. if you could share where you obtained, it would be appreciated. thx

 

[GeorgeRa]

hi george, in a previous post you mentioned 'latching arm' and i think this was for sliding doors. i have been looking at 80 20 catalog and cant find. if you could share where you obtained, it would be appreciated. thx

Latches are my design, made from HDPE and CNCed by Hein from Hood River. My latest upgrade was to add orange clear inserts (like a semaphore) and extend them so we can at a glance see if doors are latched. For main pivot bolt I used SS shoulder screws - https://www.mcmaster.com/bolts/shoulder-screws/18-8-stainless-steel-shoulder-screws-10/

More pictures in next post.

 

[GeorgeRa]

Latches

 

[Graphite Dave]

My sliding doors for 3’ wide and 1’ high cabinets are about 3.5 lbs. For that volume storage baskets wouldn’t be much lighter or not lighter. Benefits of sliding doors are:

• Lower weight than cabinet doors
• No visible mess
• Can remove individual items without a basket removal.
• For odd size items they can be instantly removed, no tools.

1. No doors are lighter than sliding doors. That is offset with the basket weight.
2. You do see the basket ends but not the contents. Do think doors/sliders look better.
3. Basket does not always need to be removed. I have 3 1/2" between top edge of the basket and the top cabinet extrusion. Top edge of basket can be pulled out to tilt the basket for access without removing the basket from the shelf.
4. Baskets can also be removed.

Upper Rear | Orton Travel Transit (ortontransit.info)

Guess it is visually what appeals to a builder. As I said I like the looks of doors/sliders better but prefer the ease of access provided by baskets.

 

[goinoregon]

1. No doors are lighter than sliding doors. That is offset with the basket weight.
2. You do see the basket ends but not the contents. Do think doors/sliders look better.
3. Basket does not always need to be removed. I have 3 1/2" between top edge of the basket and the top cabinet extrusion. Top edge of basket can be pulled out to tilt the basket for access without removing the basket from the shelf.
4. Baskets can also be removed.

Upper Rear | Orton Travel Transit (ortontransit.info)

Guess it is visually what appeals to a builder. As I said I like the looks of doors/sliders better but prefer the ease of access provided by baskets.

how do you keep the baskets from falling out? thx greg

 

[goinoregon]

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Thx George. Pics help tell the story. nice work. i just bought a cheap band saw and probably could make those myself

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ok. pics tell the story perfectly. i just bought a cheap bandsaw, and could probably make myself. the hdpe might be heavier than i was thinking, but i like the look. thx very much for all the info

 

[Graphite Dave]

how do you keep the baskets from falling out? thx greg

The bottom extrusion is 1 1/2" square. The cabinet floor is 1/2" plywood cabinet floor that is flush with the bottom edge of the extrusion. That provides a 1" lip that prevents the basket from falling out. To completely remove a basket you lift it up 1". Seldom do I need to completely remove a basket. Usually I just tip the top edge out and down to access the contents.

 

[GeorgeRa]

Sharing dissatisfaction with 8020.net.

I like their product, selection, online catalog, machining services but their shipping is from the last Century, I am not satisfied. 80/20 company used to ship from multiple product line departments independently so costs of shipping were sometime higher than merchandize. They fixed it, got better, but just better.

Last week I ordered some items at total weight of 0.58lb for $33.20. Shipping options were $18.40 UPS ground, $48.02 second day and $106.76 next day, I picked ground shipping, 55.5% of items costs.

Today, my order was still in processing so I called, they hoped to ship it by Friday and I should get it a week later. I placed the order on hold.

Perhaps I am spoiled by Amazon but even from McMaster Car items are shipped the same or next day and get delivered in 3 days. The same time last week I ordered from 8020 I also ordered from McMaster Car about 20lbs of bolts and screws, it is coming tomorrow for $21.06 shipping.

 

[brownvan]

Sharing dissatisfaction with 8020.net.

I like their product, selection, online catalog, machining services but their shipping is from the last Century, I am not satisfied. 80/20 company used to ship from multiple product line departments independently so costs of shipping were sometime higher than merchandize. They fixed it, got better, but just better.

Last week I ordered some items at total weight of 0.58lb for $33.20. Shipping options were $18.40 UPS ground, $48.02 second day and $106.76 next day, I picked ground shipping, 55.5% of items costs.

Today, my order was still in processing so I called, they hoped to ship it by Friday and I should get it a week later. I placed the order on hold.

Perhaps I am spoiled by Amazon but even from McMaster Car items are shipped the same or next day and get delivered in 3 days. The same time last week I ordered from 8020 I also ordered from McMaster Car about 20lbs of bolts and screws, it is coming tomorrow for $21.06 shipping.

Same sort of experience here with my last order placed in September and it did not ship until 40 days ARO. There was no other easy way around this delay since I had designed the rest of my CNC panels around their framing systems. So I just had to wait and checkin regularly. I think covid has really strained their operations but I also got the feeling my order was bumped so they could make 5000 sneeze guards...
Yeah their shipping is expensive too, agreed there, specially on long extrusions or overweight orders.
Not much to advise other than folks here should know it is not a quick or cost-effective solution. Despite these issues I still use it alot.

 

[waverider]

I've been buying my extrusion from Orange Aluminum. The selection isn't as good but works for what I want. Free shipping on orders > $100 (as I recall). The 2 times I've ordered from them, I've always received my order within 2 to 3 days.

T-Slot Structural Framing Tracks

6063-T5 alloy comes with mill and clear anodized finish and meets American Society for Testing and Materials (ASTM) standards. Get in touch to buy.

www.orangealuminum.com

 

[motoervan]

I used tnutz for the first time. Ordered Sunday and they shipped today. They have very limited parts compared to 8020. Anybody knows an alternative source for slider door rails in black and custom cut panels?

 

[99sport]

Note that Tnutz and some of the other 8020 knockoffs use 6063-T3 which has a yield strength of 23,000 psi, T slots uses 6560-T6 (25ksi), while 8020 uses 6105-T5 which has a yield strength of 35,000 psi. McMaster-Carr sells 8020 parts from various vendors, but their extrusions are from 8020 (6105-T5) thus 35ksi. However McMaster-Carr doesn't sell smooth profiles for inch series.

The 50% higher strength of the genuine 8020 extrusions may or may not matter to you.

 

[RVBarry]

I used tnutz for the first time. Ordered Sunday and they shipped today. They have very limited parts compared to 8020. Anybody knows an alternative source for slider door rails in black and custom cut panels?

Hi, there are 8020 resellers / distributors all over USA... where are you located?

 

[GeorgeRa]

I need 4 panel mounting blocks https://8020.net/2900.html. Only other company had them was https://www.faz-store.net/products/15ac8705?token=EC-0XG409665K787083Y but they didn’t have option for shipping and I don't know them, so it could be the same shipping as 80/20. I will get these parts from 8020 in a couple of weeks.

 

[motoervan]

Hi, there are 8020 resellers / distributors all over USA... where are you located?

Oakland, CA