Best road trip i've ever done, AZ and UT

marklg

Well-known member
Whenever I go out mountain biking or dirt biking cross country in my backyard, I am always armed. It's not for the illegals and drug runners, it's in case you land in a cholla cactus. You need to be able to shoot yourself......The chollas around my place are the size of small trees....View attachment 347690View attachment 347691
I know they want to make the trails as close to the original desert as possible, but why don't they clear the Chollas maybe a few feet back from the trail edges? But, they don't. Tubeless tires get a workout even if you manage to avoid your person. Tubed tires may be flattened.

Regards,

Mark
 

3Play

Well-known member
I know they want to make the trails as close to the original desert as possible, but why don't they clear the Chollas maybe a few feet back from the trail edges? But, they don't. Tubeless tires get a workout even if you manage to avoid your person. Tubed tires may be flattened.

Regards,

Mark
And, those damned cholla paddles can get thrown into the back of your leg when your back tire picks one up and flings it!!!
Most of the people I know who went with tubeless, ended up switching back, they were too much maintenance and didn't perform well
in this much abuse.
I have gone with cheap goodyear tires or the equivalent, hard tire liners and about 6 oz. of a home made slime in the heavy duty tubes.
I have only had one flat that was bad enough to walk it home. A stout palo verde thorn torn a 1/2" hole through the tire and tube near the side wall.
This was before I started using liners, but they may not have stopped it. I saw a liner a couple years ago that has a dense foam tire shape and a hard plastic out skin, it was molded, very nice, not cheap, but I would like to try one...
 
The chollas have earned their reputation as the jumping cactus. They never actually jump but at the slightness touch will break away and stick to you in an instant. Pliers should be a mandatory part of every desert lovers med/tool kit. Don't leave your camp without them.
 

3Play

Well-known member
The chollas have earned their reputation as the jumping cactus. They never actually jump but at the slightness touch will break away and stick to you in an instant. Pliers should be a mandatory part of every desert lovers med/tool kit. Don't leave your camp without them.
Pliers and a comb, a big one with a handle like an "Afro Pick" is preferable.
They sometimes attach so hard that they roll into further contact with any motion.
They also leave behind the super thin barbed sheath, so it will stay irritated for awhile.

I once had my front tire hit soft sand and torque sideways enough to stop me while crawling through prickly pear, I tried to clear the cactus by stepping over it, but the entire inside of my left calf made hard contact.
It was one that had clusters of needles, so I immediately started ripping out clusters from my leg.
It actually didn't hurt that much, it felt like ripping the hairs off your leg and was sort of sore afterwards.
Irritated for a week and some of the deep ones surfaced later, some were absorbed....
Of course there were many tiny ones that you couldn't pull and a few deep ones in muscles..
I spread white glue over the tiny ones and peeled it off after it dried, that got almost all of them...
 

Robb57

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Back to the Moki Dugway - we just came back from our Utah/AZ trip and drove the MD for the first time. It’s an amazing road but a little warning about what you’re about to encounter would have been nice. I thought I had made a wrong turn somewhere out of Mexican Hat and that we didn't belong on this road in our Sprinter. That said, the road is perfectly safe and offers incredible vistas. Just more funny than anything else because it seems to come out of nowhere!

A little background to explain my initial trepidation - when our kids were little we took a trip to Crested Butte and on one of the days we were there we took our Toyota T100 on a dirt road out of town - turns out we were on something called the Devils Punchbowl and it had a deadly reputation and history amongst off-roaders in Colorado. By the time I realized how bad it was I couldn’t turn around - and it was only at the bottom in Marble that I saw the signs about how challenging it is and that only short wheel based jeeps and ATVs were advisable. Oh, and it was also a one way and I went the wrong way. My daughter threw up and I was drenched in sweat by the time we were done. My wife loves to retell this story - and it was almost 30 years ago. Love that T100. Of course as soon as we started down the Moki she reminded me about Devils Punchbowl.
 
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Green Maned Lion

Der Unverbesserliche.
Back to the Moki Dugway - we just came back from our Utah/AZ trip and drove the MD for the first time. It’s an amazing road but a little warning about what you’re about to encounter would have been nice. I thought I had made a wrong turn somewhere out of Mexican Hat and that we didn't belong on this road in our Sprinter. That said, the road is perfectly safe and offers incredible vistas. Just more funny than anything else because it seems to come out of nowhere!

A little background to explain my initial trepidation - when our kids were little we took a trip to Crested Butte and on one of the days we were there we took our Toyota T100 on a dirt road out of town - turns out we were on something called the Devils Punchbowl and it had a deadly reputation and history amongst off-roaders in Colorado. By the time I realized how bad it was I couldn’t turn around - and it was only at the bottom in Marble that I saw the signs about how challenging it is and that only short wheel based jeeps and ATVs were advisable. Oh, and it was also a one way and I went the wrong way. My daughter threw up and I was drenched in sweat by the time we were done. My wife loves to retell this story - and it was almost 30 years ago. Love that T100. Of course as soon as we started down the Moki she reminded me about Devils Punchbowl.
I thought all the T100s turned into Fe2O3 long ago...
 

madwyer18

New member
I am getting ready to head out to do something similar! Hoping to do at least 3 weeks in Utah! So many good pieces of info in this thread. Thanks all
 

woodjoints

2024 standard roof AWD crew van
One of the reasons I got the AWD is I want to do- Valley of the Gods, Cathedral Valley (Canyonlands NP), some roads in Grand Staircase Escalante, and most of all - Long Dong Silver. Anyone been down these roads?
 

Robb57

Well-known member
One of the reasons I got the AWD is I want to do- Valley of the Gods, Cathedral Valley (Canyonlands NP), some roads in Grand Staircase Escalante, and most of all - Long Dong Silver. Anyone been down these roads?
Done most of those - Burr Trail is great - also Moki Dugway. You’ll love the way your AWD performs. I have the Agile RIP on mine with Cooper Discoverer AT3’s.
 

woodjoints

2024 standard roof AWD crew van
Done most of those - Burr Trail is great - also Moki Dugway. You’ll love the way your AWD performs. I have the Agile RIP on mine with Cooper Discoverer AT3’s.
At this point I'm all stock. Those roads still doable?
 

woodjoints

2024 standard roof AWD crew van
Probably - but hard to say since I can’t give you a ‘before/after’ perspective. How much does your van weigh - mine is pretty porky at 9400 lbs.
At this point it is 100% stock crew van, stock tires. We're heading to the desert next week. Stock Kumho tires are what worry me the most.
 

Lagom

Panic in Detroit
At this point it is 100% stock crew van, stock tires. We're heading to the desert next week. Stock Kumho tires are what worry me the most.
I would love to get a road by road report when you’re done. Trying to talk wife into a trip there and she usually drives. She’s good on bad roads, but will give me an earful if we encounter washouts, particularly on hairpin turns.

I just have RWD.
 

RVBarry

2023 AWD 170 DIY CamperVan
The MB all-season Agilis are supposed to be the Agilis CrossClimates, but MB canceled that on my order and just gave the Agilis LTX.

The CCs have a TMPS snow rating, and supposed to be somewhat better in mud as well.

RWD or AWD, one should have basic recovery gear if going into the boonies. Moreso if not in a group of vehicles.
A shovel, at a minimum.
 

woodjoints

2024 standard roof AWD crew van
I would love to get a road by road report when you’re done. Trying to talk wife into a trip there and she usually drives. She’s good on bad roads, but will give me an earful if we encounter washouts, particularly on hairpin turns.

I just have RWD.

We're not doing those areas this time around as a friend has invited us to Tucson. Before we head out into the great unknown I'd like to at least get recovery boards, rope and shackles, and a compressor. Really the first thing on my list would be AT tires but when I mentioned it to my wife (aka she who must be obeyed, controller of the purse strings) she flipped out, "We're not throwing away perfectly good tires!"
 

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