Evictus 2.65″ Pre-Runner Suspension WOW

Andy @ Van Compass

Well-known member
Big question is how will strut bushings hold up, and/or will the bushings require replacement on a schedule - depending on use case of course.
With the current (awesome) suspension arms race I will not be surprised if we see strut bushing / floor reinforcement kits on the market by mid-late 2024.
The bump load is going through the subframe, we've already managed to bend a lower bump mount on the control arm and have a reinforced bracket in the works. I wouldn't anticipate problems with the floor itself where the strut mounts, since that isn't seeing full bump forces and it has the big bushing to help isolate it.

We tried several different bushing setups/designs during strut development, and ultimately the factory strut bushing is the way to go (at least in our minds). NVH goes through the roof quickly once you try to stiffen it up, and that's just unacceptable to us. These vans are already loud enough when you're pushing them. When our patent process is more concrete, we'll definitely be sharing more info about how we're addressing the bushing wear. Our primary focus was to keep an OEM service part, as an OEM service part and not box customers into a corner down the road come service time.
 

Rocksnsalt

There Can Be Only ONE
RE “Our primary focus was to keep an OEM service part, as an OEM service part and not box customers into a corner down the road come service time.”

Appreciated!
 

grantwilson

FreedomVanGo
Correction to my original post, warranty is 3yr/50,000 miles per the Van Builders website.

For technical info and a better look at what the shocks coils, reservoirs, the double shear brackets included etc there is a video in the link of the 1st post.
not anymore, 2yr 25k
Still better than other options.

Overall,I really like them. we have a set on the shop van and have installed half a dozen or so.
 

grantwilson

FreedomVanGo
What do you NOT like about them?
they are expensive for sure. but other than that, the tangible benefits outweigh it. It's a niche use case. 90% of people will be SUPER stoked with a 2.3 and a leaf pack. maybe add I the inverted struts when they become a reality.
the. 10% of people who can actually fully appreciate the evictus will be the same ones with 4k coil overs on their daily driver.
I really think everyone will be HAPPY with either option. But those who are unhappy with current offerings will want more capability. Side by side they both ride well and handle well. But the real difference (in my van anyway) is when you want to go 60-70 down a washboard road. I've done it in both, and I personally prefer the evictus. The rear end control on a heavier van with the evictus over the 3.3.

Basically, to me, the Evictus does what van compass does, just a hair better. Will you actually be able to tell? Most likely not, but again, that's why I don't think evictus is for everyone. Theres different price points and thresholds I use to suggest the right setup for everyone. Im not gonna just throw a 12k suspension at everyone to do it.
 

Rocksnsalt

There Can Be Only ONE
they are expensive for sure. but other than that, the tangible benefits outweigh it. It's a niche use case. 90% of people will be SUPER stoked with a 2.3 and a leaf pack. maybe add I the inverted struts when they become a reality.
the. 10% of people who can actually fully appreciate the evictus will be the same ones with 4k coil overs on their daily driver.
I really think everyone will be HAPPY with either option. But those who are unhappy with current offerings will want more capability. Side by side they both ride well and handle well. But the real difference (in my van anyway) is when you want to go 60-70 down a washboard road. I've done it in both, and I personally prefer the evictus. The rear end control on a heavier van with the evictus over the 3.3.

Basically, to me, the Evictus does what van compass does, just a hair better. Will you actually be able to tell? Most likely not, but again, that's why I don't think evictus is for everyone. Theres different price points and thresholds I use to suggest the right setup for everyone. Im not gonna just throw a 12k suspension at everyone to do it.
Well said 👍🏽👍🏽

If I had $12k to spare, I would have had the Evictus system installed on my van a few weeks ago after driving and sitting shotgun in an Evictus equipped STO at Van Builders. For now I will continue to roll with the Agile RIP kit with Falcon SP3’s on back… with my eyes on the VC Falcon inverted adjustable strut kit.

@grantwilson Can you confirm the amount of lift the Evictus kit provides?
 
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grantwilson

FreedomVanGo
Well said 👍🏽👍🏽

If I had $12k to spare, I would have had the Evictus system installed on my van a few weeks ago after driving and sitting shotgun in an Evictus equipped STO at Van Builders. For now it will continue to roll with the Agile RIP kit.

@grantwilson Can you confirm the amount of lift the Evictus kit provides?
none. zero lift on its own.

They do have a front spring option that has a lift, I have one sitting here to put on my van but I just haven't had the time. I have a striker kit and 35s on my personal van, and I'm waiting for a new steering shaft to pull the striker lift and try out the spring and ill know.
 

Rocksnsalt

There Can Be Only ONE
none. zero lift on its own.

They do have a front spring option that has a lift, I have one sitting here to put on my van but I just haven't had the time. I have a striker kit and 35s on my personal van, and I'm waiting for a new steering shaft to pull the striker lift and try out the spring and ill know.
Interesting. I was told Evictus lift was “about an inch”.

Plenty of owners out there not looking for lift though, just a better ride and suspension performance.
 
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Rocksnsalt

There Can Be Only ONE
In our experience it brings it back where it should be with some extra weight. maybe 1/2 more. I wouldn't say its a "lift"
Fair enough.
The Evictus equipped van I drove and referenced was a 9000lb + Storyteller.

In my case with the Agile rip, rear lift is there with the rear springs, front would require part of a VC Striker kit.
Same if I go with the VC Falcon inverted strut.
‘Mo money ‘mo money ‘mo money. 😕💸💸💸💸💸

Pay to play.
 

grantwilson

FreedomVanGo
Fair enough.
The Evictus equipped van I drove and referenced was a 9000lb + Storyteller.

In my case with the Agile rip, rear lift is there with the rear springs, front would require part of a VC Striker kit.
Same if I go with the VC Falcon inverted strut.
‘Mo money ‘mo money ‘mo money. 😕💸💸💸💸💸

Pay to play.
Yeah, once we get to this level it's a want, not a need. No-one needs a van with a lift on 35s. It's a want. Let's be honest with ourselves
 

Rocksnsalt

There Can Be Only ONE
Yeah, once we get to this level it's a want, not a need. No-one needs a van with a lift on 35s. It's a want. Let's be honest with ourselves
I get what you’re saying…. But re 35’s you don’t need the extra ground clearance they give… until you do. 🪨 🪵 🪨 🪵 😉
 

Wrinkledpants

2017 144WB 4x4
I took a test ride in the Evictus setup today, on road and offroad. It's ...........incredible.

Just pulling onto a relatively new section of pavement you could immediately tell how much calmer the van is side to side. The road still had little undulations that are uneven across the lane, and it was just so muted. I tossed the van side to side like an emergency lane change, and again, no violent rocking. Just smooth lane changes.

I was doing about 50 down the road when the rep told me the trail we're taking was right in front of me. I hit brakes, and it was a big drop from the pavement to the dirt, followed by deep washboard from people spinning their tires trying to get back on the pavement and up to speed. I was bracing for a pretty violent exit as the van was under heavy braking as I pulled off. Nope - just smoooooooth. That would have been an event in our van.

The trail was pretty rough, sandy with embedded rocks and vehicle-length depressions that are likely filled with water in the spring. Ruts and some unevenness across the trail that would toss our van side to side quite a bit. I'd take this trail in our van at maybe 10-15 mph, and that's the limit. I'd still be slowing down to a crawl to negotiate the side to side rocking sections.

I was doing 15-20 in the Evictus setup, and it was comfortable enough that I could tell I wasn't at the limit. I swapped with my wife so she could drive, and she was trucking faster than I was. If that's all we did - I would have been impressed. I'd say it's good value, and let's do it.

The Evictus rep then drove us back, and good LOOOOOOOOOORD! I think we were mobbing around 40 mph, boosting the lips coming out of the big depressions. I thought for sure we were going to die or bend metal, but the van took it, and it felt controlled. This is beyond any speed than any stock road-going vehicle would go. The best way I can describe it is a side by side (razor). If you've ever driven a performance oriented side by side offroad, you know that feel of just floating over rough terrain. I grew on up dirt bikes and have driven some side by sides, and this is far closer to those than to a road vehicle. And this was all on worn K02 tires in 265 size vs our cushier 285 33" tires. My van feels like an XC bike on a DH track, and then someone gave me an actual DH bike.

With Falcons new strut coming online and the Evictus setup, we're going to have some pretty incredible options to choose from. I say all this and yet the VC setup is still really good that we have. I spent a week driving my parents new F150 hybrid around Banff, and our 9k lb van handles much better than a new truck with 4 people in it. That's pretty impressive, and their truck is quite comfy.

I have a video of the drive from the rep, and I'll try and upload later.

I've heard a lot of comparisons from various people, seen the reaction vids, etc. I figured they were all stretched a bit. One of the mechanics told me the Evictus setup on a heavy van is faster than his Tacoma with upgraded suspension. I figured that has to be a lie, but I can see it now.

As I'm typing this, I'm still trying to process WTF just happened, lol.
 

Rocksnsalt

There Can Be Only ONE
I took a test ride in the Evictus setup today, on road and offroad. It's ...........incredible.

Just pulling onto a relatively new section of pavement you could immediately tell how much calmer the van is side to side. The road still had little undulations that are uneven across the lane, and it was just so muted. I tossed the van side to side like an emergency lane change, and again, no violent rocking. Just smooth lane changes.

I was doing about 50 down the road when the rep told me the trail we're taking was right in front of me. I hit brakes, and it was a big drop from the pavement to the dirt, followed by deep washboard from people spinning their tires trying to get back on the pavement and up to speed. I was bracing for a pretty violent exit as the van was under heavy braking as I pulled off. Nope - just smoooooooth. That would have been an event in our van.

The trail was pretty rough, sandy with embedded rocks and vehicle-length depressions that are likely filled with water in the spring. Ruts and some unevenness across the trail that would toss our van side to side quite a bit. I'd take this trail in our van at maybe 10-15 mph, and that's the limit. I'd still be slowing down to a crawl to negotiate the side to side rocking sections.

I was doing 15-20 in the Evictus setup, and it was comfortable enough that I could tell I wasn't at the limit. I swapped with my wife so she could drive, and she was trucking faster than I was. If that's all we did - I would have been impressed. I'd say it's good value, and let's do it.

The Evictus rep then drove us back, and good LOOOOOOOOOORD! I think we were mobbing around 40 mph, boosting the lips coming out of the big depressions. I thought for sure we were going to die or bend metal, but the van took it, and it felt controlled. This is beyond any speed than any stock road-going vehicle would go. The best way I can describe it is a side by side (razor). If you've ever driven a performance oriented side by side offroad, you know that feel of just floating over rough terrain. I grew on up dirt bikes and have driven some side by sides, and this is far closer to those than to a road vehicle. And this was all on worn K02 tires in 265 size vs our cushier 285 33" tires. My van feels like an XC bike on a DH track, and then someone gave me an actual DH bike.

With Falcons new strut coming online and the Evictus setup, we're going to have some pretty incredible options to choose from. I say all this and yet the VC setup is still really good that we have. I spent a week driving my parents new F150 hybrid around Banff, and our 9k lb van handles much better than a new truck with 4 people in it. That's pretty impressive, and their truck is quite comfy.

I have a video of the drive from the rep, and I'll try and upload later.

I've heard a lot of comparisons from various people, seen the reaction vids, etc. I figured they were all stretched a bit. One of the mechanics told me the Evictus setup on a heavy van is faster than his Tacoma with upgraded suspension. I figured that has to be a lie, but I can see it now.

As I'm typing this, I'm still trying to process WTF just happened, lol.
YEP!

EXACTLY!


It’s hard to even process it all… probably because the experience is not congruent with every other rough road experience most of us have ever had, especially in a Sprinter. 🤯
 
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Eric B

Well-known member
There’s been a handful of threads and pics of other owners popping their front strut upper mounts in to the cabin

some have coil overs
some apparently have improperly assembled upper mounts (washer direction, etc)

presumably these existing owners weren’t doing the kind of speeds advertised above with these new large body struts

So …

if the Evictus setup, the King setup (?), and the forthcoming VC upside down strut make off road that much smoother, then people are going to be charging that much harder

putting that much more load in to the upper strut mounts

Are any of these new systems addressing the upper strut mount as part of their $$$$ or $$$$$ price tag ?

Curious …
 

Rocksnsalt

There Can Be Only ONE
There’s been a handful of threads and pics of other owners popping their front strut upper mounts in to the cabin

some have coil overs
some apparently have improperly assembled upper mounts (washer direction, etc)

presumably these existing owners weren’t doing the kind of speeds advertised above with these new large body struts

So …

if the Evictus setup, the King setup (?), and the forthcoming VC upside down strut make off road that much smoother, then people are going to be charging that much harder

putting that much more load in to the upper strut mounts

Are any of these new systems addressing the upper strut mount as part of their $$$$ or $$$$$ price tag ?

Curious …
I have the same concerns, and more.
And no doubt some will flog their Sprinter harder. Not me.
Iirc the VC strut will have a bushing, or they’re working on one?

But in my mind, if the suspension is soaking up the rough as well as I experienced when I rode in the evictus system in a heavy van, then maybe it’s easier on that strut bushing?
Time will tell.
Replacing strut bushings may have to be a regular maintenance item for some.

It was truly an amazing -shocking experience.
I literally did not think that type of ride quality over rough stuff was possible in a sprinter.
 
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patchesj

Well-known member
The strut bushing is one reason why I like the VC 2nd shock up front, even if I do end up upgrading to the VC inverted strut. You can "share the load" from all of the dampening against 2 sets of mounting points, vs all of the additional load pushing/pulling the factory strut bushing.
 

Rocksnsalt

There Can Be Only ONE
The strut bushing is one reason why I like the VC 2nd shock up front, even if I do end up upgrading to the VC inverted strut. You can "share the load" from all of the dampening against 2 sets of mounting points, vs all of the additional load pushing/pulling the factory strut bushing.
Good point.
Do you happen to know what your STO weighed out of the factory?
I only find gvwr on their site.
 

patchesj

Well-known member
Good point.
Do you happen to know what your STO weighed out of the factory?
I only find gvwr on their site.
These were both full water/fuel. I am probably -/+ 200 lbs on the rear depending if completely empty vs stuffed to the max. As @Andy @ Van Compass has mentioned many times, the front axle weight does not change considerably once built. I think 90% of my front gain was the engine/trans skids.

Factory/loaded:
3900 F
4580 R
8480 T

Today/loaded (relevant major weight additions= Full skid plates, S&B tank, tools/recovery gear):
4120 F
5220 R
9340 T
 

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