Former Audi CEO Stadler faces diesel fraud charges in German courtIncorrect. VW was not required to buy back all of the non compliant cars. There were several engines and emissions system variants covered under the settlement. Some were offered modifications only (newer vehicles) others modification or buyback. We selected the buyback on our ‘10 VW Jetta and took the modification+$+additional warranty on our ‘13 Audi Q7.
The warranty has proved valuable and even covered items clearly not related to the emissions modification (engine out for leaking rear main seal!)
I’m sure Mercedes learned quite a bit from the VW fiasco and owners will likely see a less generous if not more streamlined settlement.
So I have a question, What changed in 2017? I have a 2017 170ext 4x4 cargo. Am I going to be immune from emissions issues, did they change out everything that was an issue, do we not care anymore?
Not really!VAGs getting caught cheating in 2015 changed it.
Immune from emission systems problems ?So I have a question, What changed in 2017? I have a 2017 170ext 4x4 cargo. Am I going to be immune from emissions issues, did they change out everything that was an issue, do we not care anymore?
The model year emissions certification for MB vehicles for 2017 was done with knowledge of the cheating in certification testing. MB decided to skip diesels for other than sprinters, and the approval for sale of sprinters was delayed. The specific changes in testing, vehicle software and mechanical equipment are not obvious, or well documented. It is even possible that approval of the 2017 sprinters (and the 2018 year) included discussion of the anticipated model update, and plans for electric vehicles.So I have a question, What changed in 2017? I have a 2017 170ext 4x4 cargo. Am I going to be immune from emissions issues, did they change out everything that was an issue, do we not care anymore?
Really. VAG used LNT (4cyl TDIs only) and SCR (4 and 6cyl) across their models . Not one model from 2009-2016 was compliant when the defeat software was discovered. They were the first of the diesel automakers to get caught. It’s not coincidence MB models after 2016 achieved compliance.Not really!
The VAG used what is known as an LNT emission control system, is not quite Bluetec.
Dennis
Yes and like most manufacturers like even domestic manufactures they fudged it AND got caught. Navistar MaxForce comes to mind.Really. VAG used LNT (4cyl TDIs only) and SCR (4 and 6cyl) across their models . Not one model from 2009-2016 was compliant when the defeat software was discovered. They were the first of the diesel automakers to get caught. It’s not coincidence MB models after 2016 achieved compliance.
Or, maybe the USA isn't ready for obsolescent 20th century technologies whose fundamental lack of viability is papered over by ridiculous, incompetent engineering hacks that the pubic is then expected to pay for over and over again. Kind of reminds me of the sad saga of the Space Shuttle thermal tiles. The results will be analogous.As I always state the USA is not ready for emission controls
Have you worked on any recent renditions of GDi technology where the engine wont run without a computer after a 60 second cold start OR a total shutdown aka Sprinter Bluetec because of miss fires and maintenance neglect?Or, maybe the USA isn't ready for obsolescent 20th century technologies whose fundamental lack of viability is papered over by ridiculous, incompetent engineering hacks that the pubic is then expected to pay for over and over again. Kind of reminds me of the sad saga of the Space Shuttle thermal tiles. The results will be analogous.
One can choose to believe that petrol engines are just as bad. But it just ain't so.
The end of my reply more sarcasm than anything else. I realize that proper maintenance is key. Just was wondering if they had some better revision of NOX sensors, DEF components, etc...The model year emissions certification for MB vehicles for 2017 was done with knowledge of the cheating in certification testing. MB decided to skip diesels for other than sprinters, and the approval for sale of sprinters was delayed. The specific changes in testing, vehicle software and mechanical equipment are not obvious, or well documented. It is even possible that approval of the 2017 sprinters (and the 2018 year) included discussion of the anticipated model update, and plans for electric vehicles.
As Dennis says, maintenance and repair of the emissions equipment is still important and expensive.
It may end up that emission-related recalls for 2016 and 2017 model years are issued at a later date, but the class action suit which provides the owner incentives ($$$) will not apply. (you knew there were pending issues when you purchased the vehicle, or should have. I want to guess that marketing claims were also modified for the 2016 model year)
To quote Renault.The end of my reply more sarcasm than anything else. I realize that proper maintenance is key. Just was wondering if they had some better revision of NOX sensors, DEF components, etc...
So, you vote for lying and cheating the customer as an nonpunishable norm?German auto makers are being punished for Germany expressing its will to be independent in the changing geopolitics of the world. Nothing else...
Hear ya, generally only drive van on out of town and ski days, however have been forced into using for commute a dozen days this fall as wife's daily driver been in and out of shop. Usually follow up a few days of commute duty with longer trips, 20+ miles nonstop. As soon as warrenty done tho... prob look into options ?I think "knowledge" is more appropriate than "maintenance"
First owners of DPF equipped vehicles were not able to monitor regeneration cycle and most of them had no idea what it takes to keep DPF healthy.
When you drive car on 3 miles commute- you WILL have trouble with DPF.
Than DEF tanks were overengineered IMHO.
You should not be forced to replace $2400 tank, when $5 heating element fails.
Get ScanGauge, or other monitor and observe sot build up. Our sedan is used mostly in the city, but observing sot building to 100%, I can plan on making sure I have fuel for regeneration and when regeneration starts, I can take extra loop to avoid abortion.Hear ya, generally only drive van on out of town and ski days, however have been forced into using for commute a dozen days this fall as wife's daily driver been in and out of shop. Usually follow up a few days of commute duty with longer trips, 20+ miles nonstop. As soon as warrenty done tho... prob look into options ?
Does Touque app indicate regen? I have Autel ap200, but find it no fun to try and monitor live data. Would be nice to find something not requiring hard wire.Get ScanGauge, or other monitor and observe sot build up. Our sedan is used mostly in the city, but observing sot building to 100%, I can plan on making sure I have fuel for regeneration and when regeneration starts, I can take extra loop to avoid abortion.
Once DW aborted regeneration coming home, but following day I took the car and regeneration resumed once engine come to 60C.
Popular knowledge is that single abortion will not do a harm, but if you do it 3 times in the row- the lights might start flashing.
Not Torque Pro, but ScanGauge.Does Touque app indicate regen? I have Autel ap200, but find it no fun to try and monitor live data. Would be nice to find something not requiring hard wire.