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Old 02-09-2019, 10:25 PM   #61
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I am talking about hard to access back country skiing where the plow trucks rarely venture.
Mercedes-Benz already makes a vehicle more suited to that particular application:

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Old 02-09-2019, 11:36 PM   #62
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Mercedes-Benz already makes a vehicle more suited to that particular application:

Oh yeah? Does it get 20 MPG?
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Old 02-10-2019, 03:47 AM   #63
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Who knows? Mercedes-Benz doesn't publish U.S. fuel economy numbers for the Unimog OR the Sprinter 2500/3500/4500.
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Old 02-10-2019, 11:28 PM   #64
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You don't need 4x4 to get to places you see cars at.

If you want to venture into areas you don't see cars, you'll want 4x4. To think that the spectrum here goes from RWD to Unimog with no middle ground is hilarious. But, it's not unexpected to think that Grand Tour would bring in portal axles into a conversation where he's also thought a GTR and trophy trucks were relevant comparisons.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:03 AM   #65
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Sounds like the weed talking...
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Well, exactly. Parking lots of ski areas. I didn't say that, now did I. I am talking about hard to access back country skiing where the plow trucks rarely venture.
You said "my favorite ski spots in winter". Those include mostly area skiing, but I digress.

The point of this thread is.... "is 4x4 really needed?". The answer is "no". It's not needed for many or most of us. Even those of us that regularly venture into the mountains during winter.

Want vs. Need.

Colorado Mountain Express runs a shuttle from Vail and other mountain towns to DIA airport in Denver and must rack up millions of miles per year in their fleet of 2WD Sprinters. I think most people would think that CMExpress would need 4x4, but they don't. They drive every single day, rain/snow/sleet or hail. Majority of miles in the winter.
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You don't need 4x4 to get to places you see cars at.

If you want to venture into areas you don't see cars, you'll want 4x4. To think that the spectrum here goes from RWD to Unimog with no middle ground is hilarious. But, it's not unexpected to think that Grand Tour would bring in portal axles into a conversation where he's also thought a GTR and trophy trucks were relevant comparisons.

Thanks for the reply - This 4x4 thread is really entertaining and might actually be the only thread worldwide where the the absolute worst traction method of rear wheel drive is now found by a few guys here to be better than four wheel drive!

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Thanks for the reply - This 4x4 thread is really entertaining and might actually be the only thread worldwide where the the absolute worst traction method of rear wheel drive is now found by a few guys here to be better than four wheel drive!

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Nobody said 2WD is "better", but it can be a choice for some. Better fuel economy, less complicated, and less expensive.

The vast majority of people living in the snow belt think they need 4x4 to get around, while many of us driving 2WD vans and cars still somehow manage to rack up thousands and thousands of miles in the snow.
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:56 PM   #69
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Nobody said 2WD is "better", but it can be a choice for some. Better fuel economy, less complicated, and less expensive.

The vast majority of people living in the snow belt think they need 4x4 to get around, while many of us driving 2WD vans and cars still somehow manage to rack up thousands and thousands of miles in the snow.
Yup.

Heck, a lot of people think they need four wheel drive to go to the mall.

Four wheel drive is never a replacement for knowing how to drive.
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Old 02-11-2019, 07:45 PM   #70
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You said "my favorite ski spots in winter". Those include mostly area skiing, but I digress.
No dude. I haven't bought a lift ticket in years. My skiing doesn't include mostly ski areas. In fact, it hardly ever includes ski areas. Stop being pompous and telling other people what they need and don't need.
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