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Old 05-24-2018, 12:41 AM   #21
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Agree. Instead of old classic I bought a new manual transmission 2017 Porsche Boxster. Was afraid a manual transmission car would not be available in the near future so bought one now. At my age I suspect I have the rest of my driving days covered with a real car. Porsche has too many high tech features and nannies to think for you. Older cars are much simpler and more desirable in that regard.

Autonomous vehicles are for people that just want to get from point A to point B. I enjoy driving too much to accept that method. Boring. Why go anywhere if you can not drive?
Driving is a pain in the Patootie. Traffic congestion, lack of parking, rude, speeding, tailgating distracted drivers, road rage, uninsured Mexicans, 50% of drivers on the road are under the influence of a controlled substances and Financial—criminal iability.

Some years ago, a local man made a left-hand turn in front of an on-coming vehicle resulting in the death of his passenger wife. Three weeks later, the local prosecutor puke charges the man with manslaughter. Subsequently, the man commits suicide.

I want to make my Leaf sound like G. Jettsons vehicle.

Socialists and Bernie lovers can LAKMWA!!!

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Old 05-24-2018, 04:43 PM   #22
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All I know is that self-driving cars are going to clear up the road for people who LIKE to drive. the vast majority of people just want to get somewhere. Many of them would prefer to not have to do the "work" of driving, finding parking, walking blocks after parking to get to their destination. Mass transit is inconvenient and dangerous in many places (Bay Area). Door to door service with small individual vehicles is a great idea. Taxis, and then Uber/Lyft/etc and soon autonomous cars on call fill the need without too many negatives; nothing is perfect. If we were to listen to people who want to conserve everything (conservatives, by definition), we'd still be riding horses. Or maybe walking, because that whole "horse riding" thing is just a fad.

Imagine a mall, airport or sports stadium without much of a parking lot, because everyone is just getting dropped off and picked up. And the small parking lot always has spaces open, because only enthusiasts and tradesman drive their own vehicles. Like the Disney People Mover, except every car can move independently and go different places when needed.
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Two of the biggest environmental polluters, industrial scale beef and automobile manufacturing.
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I believe, short of molecular teleportation, Hyperloop is the way to go.

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These are interesting conversations, and there's some significance that this thread started with a quote from a guy from product development in part of the existing system. There's a lot of inertia in the current infrastructure, and strong motivation will be needed for the investment in infrastructure for really disruptive change. As Midwestdrifter has suggested, that may come when we are exposed to some true accounting for all the life cycle costs of what we do. I sometimes fantasize about a Wiki style open database where folks with the data on costs of various aspects of our consumption can put it out for public view so that we can be more informed in our choices. I'm also pretty certain that our not-too-distant descendants will look back in amazement at the idea that moving people around one at a time in a couple of tons of fuel burning metal and plastic was sustainable. The current focus on artificial intellegence is fine, but there's still a fair bit of natural stupidity to overcome. This, of course, on a forum including a fair number of diesel guzzling (sipping?) RVs.
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These are interesting conversations, and there's some significance that this thread started with a quote from a guy from product development in part of the existing system. There's a lot of inertia in the current infrastructure, and strong motivation will be needed for the investment in infrastructure for really disruptive change. As Midwestdrifter has suggested, that may come when we are exposed to some true accounting for all the life cycle costs of what we do. I sometimes fantasize about a Wiki style open database where folks with the data on costs of various aspects of our consumption can put it out for public view so that we can be more informed in our choices. I'm also pretty certain that our not-too-distant descendants will look back in amazement at the idea that moving people around one at a time in a couple of tons of fuel burning metal and plastic was sustainable. The current focus on artificial intellegence is fine, but there's still a fair bit of natural stupidity to overcome. This, of course, on a forum including a fair number of diesel guzzling (sipping?) RVs.

Yes! Unfortunately, big oil has a death grip on preserving the status quo. I am all about conservation and have an aversion to the label consumer. I try to repurpose everything and have a junk pile to prove it. The concept of consumerism in its present form is not infinitely sustainable. Today, I have to run a few short-distance errands (about 5-miles) and will use my bicycle the most efficient mode of transportation.
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Yes! Unfortunately, big oil has a death grip on preserving the status quo. I am all about conservation and have an aversion to the label consumer. I try to repurpose everything and have a junk pile to prove it. The concept of consumerism in its present form is not infinitely sustainable. Today, I have to run a few short-distance errands (about 5-miles) and will use my bicycle the most efficient mode of transportation.
Go easy on the chain oil! My 47 year old ten speed is my in town getaround. Had to put a new tire on it yesterday, though, so there goes the budget. Big oil is a big investor in other energy sources, so they are hedging their bets. Probably planning to get a lock on the sun and the wind.
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I'll be driving my Fossil Fuel Burning, C02 Emitting vehicles until they pry the steering wheel from my Cold Dead Hands. Autonomous My Ass.......
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Yes, they are going to be soooooo safe! All a thug has to do is walk up in front of one, it stops, then he takes your money, and if you are lucky he won't kill you. I would rather decide when to stop, or veer around, or run someone over if that is the case.
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Yes, they are going to be soooooo safe! All a thug has to do is walk up in front of one, it stops, then he takes your money, and if you are lucky he won't kill you. I would rather decide when to stop, or veer around, or run someone over if that is the case.
Oh snap, you don't think there will be a manual override? Maybe even an anti-carjacking feature!
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