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Old 11-04-2017, 04:29 PM   #1
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It seems they are selling less vans in a year than Ford sells in a month. Will they disappear like the Opel and Renault and others?
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Default Re: Will the Sprinter go the way of other imports in the US?

That link in your post only covers the Passenger Wagon version (not cargo) in Europe.
The numbers for Sprinters in the US (and i don't know if they're including Freightliner-branded) are here: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...benz-sprinter/
... which shows model growth to about 28,000 per year ... despite the competition of ProMaster and Transit.
That's similar to their 2005/2006 numbers (at about 60% of today's prices... the plain mid-length Cargo was about $25k back then).. when there were no other "European-style" vans in competition.
If we assumed they all went through the cargo reassembly process, that's about 100 per normal working day (zero on weekends)... one every 5 minutes (single shift).

As that carsalesbase site says, it's the Sprinter sales that push MB from #2 to #1 in sales, nudging them ahead of BMW in the "luxury" class here in the US.
MB's US annual sales of all models is less than 2 months of Ford's. Yet MB doesn't appear to be disappearing.

Thanks for pointing out that interesting sales data site...

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p.s. the European numbers probably don't include the output of the Argentine factory, since they're "sales in Europe"
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:55 PM   #3
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The only problem is I am reading that the Sprinter dealers will not even sell the Sprinters on their lot anymore, what do you make of that?
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Default Re: Will the Sprinter go the way of other imports in the US?

Looks like they are waiting for the new design that will be built in the new plant. There apparently are regulatory problems with the existing products. Doubt they will abandon the US market for vans. They have too much invested in the existing infrastructure.

Also expect the new design will include a gas engine. Daimler can not be blind to the ratio of gas to diesel engines sold by Ford. Obviously there is more demand for a gas engine than for diesel in the US based on Ford sales.

The new design may be a better van than any current products.
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Old 11-05-2017, 01:43 AM   #5
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My guess is that they will have a roadmap from GAS to GAS-HYBRID to EV. They may or may not continue with a diesel option, but I can't imagine that they see it as viable for the medium term.
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Default Re: Will the Sprinter go the way of other imports in the US?

It was a niche vehicle to begin with; Americans are still confused about the Mercedes brand.
If Daimler/Benz is building for the European market, there WILL be hybrid and even electric versions. A few countries have already said they will not allow sales of new gas/diesel powered cars in the near future.
Kind of like how California set the standard for all US emissions (50 State compliant) because the companies didn't want to have two assembly lines for different standards, Daimler/Benz may just make a single version that meets both Euro and USA standards.

And it will remain a niche vehicle. Ford will continue to be the big seller.
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Probably be equiped with 16-Start low tire pressure count down. Start button that analyzes driver blood alcohol and Limp Home Mode for excessive speeding. Sorry just can't control myself.

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The only problem is I am reading that the Sprinter dealers will not even sell the Sprinters on their lot anymore, what do you make of that?
What I make of it is that Sprinter van sales in the USA are akin to a specialist products and not volume production like Ford. Sales figures support that!
In any case MB car platforms still do very well and are quite robust.
They almost mirror Lexus and model popularity is based upon the big car models where MB dominates and those with better sports like handling. On the quality and built end Lexus does far better and is a dominant market challenger to MB preconceived dominance.

If you look at Toyota and Ford production & sales they are very similar and are the mainstream volume producers where unit price per platform at the showroom end are very important.
The Transit mirrors that all time concept of large volume production and small incremental; profit per unit. Clearly MB's business mantra is set up more like a specialist product supplier especially where the Sprinter platform is concerned. On subject though since 2007 they have not seriously altered the the product apart from the ungainly looking 4wd variant.
They are clearly approaching the all time motor manufacturing & marketing production stretch of the "5-5-5 years" a successor is long overdue if you look at how most of the competition works . The business never sits on its rear axle for too long!

By the way those that think the petrol (gasoline) ,engine is the answer you only have to look at the current emissions issues with GDI fueling strategies used by Toyota , Ford and all the Euro brands. If you think Particulate filters and Nox stop with diesels you would be wrong with GDi. It is slated they too will have to have these additional pollution control devises installed in the not too distant future as the fuel consumption figures race begins!! Well it's already started hasn't it!
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You can't make stuff like that up? Or can you?
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