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Old 01-18-2020, 03:20 AM   #51
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and arctic Diesel fuel..
I like as much straight kerosene as I can get in the tank! this experience comes from norther ID/WY... I’ve ONLY seen -28F, far cry from the -35+ I’m sure some of our northern neighbors see

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Old 01-18-2020, 12:22 PM   #52
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With high kero content, you need to add a lube supplement if using as common rail engine fuel.
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Yeah, whatever the folks in this 'commercial' fuel stop in WY puts in their kerosene got me moving finally. I'm sure it was a blend. The time before that in ID Diesel 911 finally got me moving but that took much longer.

I think my number one 'consideration for very cold weather operation' would be to NOT get fuel at a Mavericks or other el cheapo fuel station in Salt Lake City and then head north.. I've been duped 2x on that front on my annual Snowfaris..

Also, for those of you thinking your engine off espar mods will keep you from gelling up... what about when the line from the tank to the furnace gels up.. happened to me once; what a horrible situation to wake up in -28F, no heat, no start.
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Proper commercial winter diesel fuel is a blend and will... at least should have the proper additives so lubricity shouldn't be a problem. If adding kerosene on your own the game changes.

As much as I like Power Service Diesel Fuel Conditioner with antigel (white jug) for winter use, reports are that there are better additives choices when it comes to lubricity.

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Interesting to see all the fuel issues down in the US with the cold. In 25+ years driving Diesels Never ever had this happen here north of the border. I guess the Fuel Stations here are more regimented as to Winter Diesel
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... I guess the Fuel Stations here are more regimented as to Winter Diesel
That is my recollection. Geographically I don't believe that Canada has any areas which don't need winter fuel blends.

With our regions of varying temperature, the USA fuel standards for winter fuel include geographic areas and percentages in the calculations. That allows for times when the diesel fuel in a given area may not be good enough for the actual conditions.

I think that this is worth repeating.

When traveling to colder areas it is important to practice fuel management. There are places in the USA where you can leave an area that doesn't need winter blend fuel and quickly be where it is needed. Eg. - traveling up into the mountains. It is best to manage your fuel use so that you fill the tank with winter blend fuel when you arrive in the cold area. Even a partial tank of summer fuel combined with winter blend can lead to problems if the temperatures go low enough. Including an antigel additive can help too.

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Proper commercial winter diesel fuel is a blend and will... at least should have the proper additives so lubricity shouldn't be a problem. If adding kerosene on your own the game changes.

As much as I like Power Service Diesel Fuel Conditioner with antigel (white jug) for winter use, reports are that there are better additives choices when it comes to lubricity.

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Specifically in this instance they had a separate kero tank, but still, I’m sure there were additives. Once I got up and running I went directly over to fill up with their normal winterized diesel. This was a mom and pop petroleum distribution company, no signs out front, compared to a normal fuel station..
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