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Old 04-29-2019, 12:23 PM   #11
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Any room for a fellow sprinter van enthusiast to join you without a van there? I am always looking for another bucket list item to add while I am still relatively in good enough shape to hike around and be mobile.

I recently watched a history of the Dakar race from Paris to Dakar and there seemed to be an alternative in the making that might bring this race back from South America.

The last Dakar was, in my opinion, focused too much on running in deep sand dunes, to the point of becoming repetitive. Holding the entire race in Peru was also a factor that bugged me.

Crossing national borders has always been a part of this longstanding endurance race until this past year.

Here is to a great trip whenever it happens. I will be looking forward to your reports as they come in. Thanks for sharing to all here.
I think renting a vehicle (usually Toyota Prado's/LC's or Mitsubishi Shoguns in that part of the world) will be prohibitively expensive but the real issue would probably be crossing borders.
I'll ask the question though
We'll no doubt follow some of the Paris - Dakar route. We drove a lot of it in the Sprinter last year.
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Ed, this sounds like a plan! The only bit that worries me is Mali, & thats the country I would like to see the most. Love the look of the place the people, & the Music is the best in the world. But very mixed reports coming out of there Might have to think on this one, would love to go, but slightly scarey. BTW I have a 4x4 sprinter. Cheers.
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Ed, this sounds like a plan! The only bit that worries me is Mali, & thats the country I would like to see the most. Love the look of the place the people, & the Music is the best in the world. But very mixed reports coming out of there Might have to think on this one, would love to go, but slightly scarey. BTW I have a 4x4 sprinter. Cheers.
True, that's Africa it changes by the day.
Having said that Mali is huge and the West seems safe at the moment.
Our friends (who are leading the trip) live in Bamako for part of the year so have lots of local contacts/knowledge. I'll update or pm you as things progress.
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Ed, thanks for that, Local knowledge turns a fool into a wise man. Keep me updated, I've travelled in Morocco, Kenya & S Africa, but weirdly enough never driven abroad. Was always planning on Morocco or Iran in me van. Cheers.
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Old 05-27-2019, 04:13 PM   #15
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So you're shipping your Sprinter to Africa? Man, this really sounds incredible. Is this being organized by people who are familiar with the route and can speak to the safety of these places?



Note that Uganda wasn't on this list. Africa is a continent with many countries. Lumping them all together is like lumping Mexico in with the US when talking about North America. I've self-driven extensively in six African countries and never had any issues. And that was in a solo vehicle. With a caravan you'd be exponentially safer. On the other hand, I will admit I've never even heard of half of the places this tour covers.
The law of averages will catch up. It only takes one group of teenagers brandishing AK-47's to ruin a person day.
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The law of averages will catch up. It only takes one group of teenagers brandishing AK-47's to ruin a person day.
And in London, one teenager with a kitchen knife is an everyday occurrence,. But it doesn't stop me going to London. We only ever hear about the bad things in the world, the everyday acts of kindness & hospitality worldwide are rarely reported.
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Humans are pretty bad at assessing risk. How many folks sleep with a gun near their bed? The statistics indicate they are more likely to commit suicide, or have an accidental discharge, than successfully use it do defend themselves. The reality is that walking down the stairs, driving a car, and eating high sugar diets are much higher risk.

There are truly dangerous places all over the world. Rarely are they a whole country. Usually its a specific area. For example there are some areas of Detroit, LA, and even rural Oregon that pose high risk.

To be fair some folks are paranoid, and tend to consume media that paints vast swaths of the world as a teaming mass of inferior types who would turn criminal given the chance. Thankfully that is not the case.

Ed, we would love to join you! But the timing is not right, we are not yet on that continent. Hopefully when we finally get that way, you will have space for a custom built T1N 4x4 overland machine and two "crazy
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Humans are pretty bad at assessing risk. How many folks sleep with a gun near their bed? The statistics indicate they are more likely to commit suicide, or have an accidental discharge, than successfully use it do defend themselves. The reality is that walking down the stairs, driving a car, and eating high sugar diets are much higher risk.

There are truly dangerous places all over the world. Rarely are they a whole country. Usually its a specific area. For example there are some areas of Detroit, LA, and even rural Oregon that pose high risk.

To be fair some folks are paranoid, and tend to consume media that paints vast swaths of the world as a teaming mass of inferior types who would turn criminal given the chance. Thankfully that is not the case.

Ed, we would love to join you! But the timing is not right, we are not yet on that continent. Hopefully when we finally get that way, you will have space for a custom built T1N 4x4 overland machine and two "crazy
engineers.
Couldn't have put it better
Add, driving whilst on a mobile phone, driving with no seat belt, driving/walking down the wrong street in any North American or European city....
It would be great to see you, be handy to have a NCV3 recovery truck following us around
We've travelled to some amazing places (and not so amazing) and met great people but Africa does get you hooked!
And yes we've met a teenager with an AK47. He was a very happy and friendly individual. But he wouldn't let me have a go with it even in exchange for $20. I'm guessing no bullets
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The trip, especially by car must be planned in a precautious manner. There are many scams and violence against foreigners in Africa. However, picturesque views, landscapes, wild life cover all these negative moments. I hope you will have a nice break away in Africa as I did. Now I am planning to visit Columbia which is quite similar, I think. I wonder if you know some good websites about traveling to Columbia? Is http://www.travelsafe-abroad.com/colombia/travelsafe-abroad.coma trustful source of information?
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I'll take a hard pass. Nothing to see, smell or do in West Africa that's already migrated to So Cal.

Bon Voyage, have a safe and enjoyable trip.

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