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Old 09-01-2009, 12:43 PM   #1
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Default NCV3 Cheap Tricks - Y'all need 'em too!

As I was getting ready to list some additional posts in my Cheap Tricks

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4827

I realized they were more related to NCV3, but there wasn't a place that made sense to post them in NCV3 write-ups. Well, here it is. Your own area to record the cheaper NCV3 specific repairs that are discovered.

I do have one request. Please also add to the original T1N Cheap Tricks if you post something here that relates to both models. Hope this does some good. AP/vic
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Default Re: NCV3 Cheap Tricks - Y'all need 'em too!

Tail lights on, turn signal on all the time

Here's a post related to trailer light modules and rear tail/brake lights.

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7505

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Edit: My "Cheap Trick" recommendation is to check the drain holes that were found plugged before they ruin your modules and cause problems.
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Brakes not good. Engine power loss

This vacuum line post is related to brake pedal pressure gradually getting worse. It may also affect the DPF regeneration if you have a NCV3. I supply the link rather than quoting from it because the info available may expand as members add comments to the thread.

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7532

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Rear Air Conditioner replacement operation

This is not so much a cheap trick, but it has some good information that can save you money if you need to have A/C repairs done. The originating thread title would not cause you to go there for A/C information. A search probably would.

First a great thumbnail A/C operation description by Qualityair.

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...5&postcount=21

The originating thread is here:
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7012

Thanks to qualityair for the input. AP/vic
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Some info about EGR cleaning and operation from Sprintguy, Carl. It sounds like cheap DIY cleaning will work. Thanks goes to Carl.

Re: Engine miss on light acceleration post #177
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...&postcount=177

As always you can go to the original thread by clicking the upper right corner.

20100630edit:
Some more recent information about cleaning the NCV3 EGR system.

Engine light -- code P2457
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7156

There are tips as the thread progresses. Thanks goes to all posters.

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Remove Tail light lens - Replacement Clip Studs

This isn't so much a cheap trick.... well, I guess it is if it saves breaking the clips. I figure most owners will remove a tail light lens sometime. The parts likely to break are listed.

Video is here.



Link is here.

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?p=62418

the part number for the plastic clip/stud kit
a0008208164
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68041043AA

Edit: Even more details for removal here:

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7668

Thanks goes to big_d, Sprinteruk (Chris), Bikergar and VanVaz. AP/vic

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Some tips from Deancm.
https://sprinter-source.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=56649
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Fuel Filter Fragile Plastic Tab

This is not a Cheap Trick proper, but may avoid costly repair. There is a plastic tab on the fuel filter related parts which can be broken during change/installation. He also describes a repair technique using cable ties for securing fuel lines that I know works. I have employed it to jump out bad lines by joining hose on the cut off good tubing stubs which doesn't have the keeper bump. Without some restraint method the pressure can slide the hose down the smooth tubing if it doesn't have that keeper bump. (Yep, even when the clamps are tight.) Thanks to Fishermunn for the heads up.

20121123 edit: A fuel filter change procedure is here. Thanks goes to Kat.
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23101

A few more details here:
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9926
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23100


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Default Re: NCV3 Cheap Tricks - Y'all need 'em too!

First let me encourage all NCV3 owners to post anything you might have yourself, or read elsewhere, here to help fellow NCV3 owners. Perhaps people don't agree, but I started these type threads because I feel the search engines don't always find comments buried under different originating thread headings. Whatever.....

Scangauge 2 11 code P040D DIY cleaning procedure

Sprintguy Carl outlines an exhaust sensor cleaning procedure in this thread. Thanks goes to Carl.


"Generic OBD II code p040D = P040D-EXHAUST GAS RECIRCULATION TEMPERATURE SENSOR 1 CIRCUIT HIGH

Gary : have all 4 exhaust gas temp sensors cleaned , most likely built up with soot

Carl"

Single post here:
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...74&postcount=8
As always the original thread (in this case which contains more details) is available in the upper right corner.

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Front bumper bracket collision repair replace

This not necessarily a Cheap Trick, but I thought it is worth keeping in mind. There is a replacement frame extension part available for front end bumper damage. The first thread leads to another with more complete PDF's. Thanks goes to 72chevy4x4 and HappyFamilyVan.
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10191

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Battery Low Voltage Hard Start Low Charge

This is not a Cheap Trick as such, but may save multiple trips to the shop and unnecessary repairs if you have low charging or voltage problems.

There are some cables and connections which seem prone to problems. The large in-line fuse connection seems to be a common theme.

I've noted that there MAY even be a commonality of operations such as simply changing out a battery which disturbs the cables/connections and causes a poor connection to get worse. I have no data.

There is a no start thread here.
No crank no start compilation
https://sprinter-source.com/forum/sh...d.php?p=569638

Eric Experience as some tips.
Click no start- some tips.
https://sprinter-source.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=58993




Read this first. Thanks goes to Dennis Linden Engineering.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lindenengineering View Post
Guys
This cable is my opinion a source of lots of threshold voltage problems and DPF/DEF issues.
Least that's from where I am sitting in my shop office!

I have seen no fewer than 5 Sprinters this month (years 2007 to 2011) ALL with alternator charge issues that in every case was traced back to that cable and the in line fusible link.

The cable as posted previously is cheaper from the Mopar system list is $86. Its the same even for the MB 2011 model version. MB parts system wants $250ish for the same part.

This is not to be taken lightly, a new 200 Amp alternator is about $600 retail and if you have a twin A/C set up there is about 4.5 hours of labor to R'n R it, so its worth taking some care about "watts go'n on"! (or Amp 'n Volts in this case).

Now threshold voltages are important because I have seen alot of vehicles roll through the shop with DPF and DEF issues all with limp or reduced power modes. Get the voltage up to at least 13.98v and codes will clear and stay out, with a reduction to 12.95 and the supply through a defective cable won't balance the consumption.

The "penny drop for me" didn't drop until yesterday when I cleared out multiple codes on a 2010 model with cable/charging issues. Lurking as a soft code was cat regeneration!
Blasted voltage problems!

Equally I have a lady owner up in the mountains that keeps threatening to bring in her 2008 model in with DPF issues. I asked her if she had changed her alternator recently--The answer came back yes by a local shop!
I am sure if I get to look at that cable it will be burnt and the insulation melted off!

Check yours because if it degenerates sufficently you might get a short down and your alternator will be sweating bullets !
A cable like that will have lot of smoke built into it--Don't let the smoke out!
More on this later.
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December 2017 comment.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sprint2freedom View Post
It should be mentioned that 2007-2010 Sprinters seem to have the most Y cable issues. The design was revised several times until they came up with one that wasn't so failure prone.

As OP has a 2007 it is definitely a prime suspect..
20150408 edit:
A recent thread with some tips for changing the cable.
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39104

More details here:

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10155

This is from the NCV3 section, but may have commonality with all NAFTA models.

20101212 edit:
Some recent threads about cable problems.

Here is a DIY solder repair method which seems to have good success.
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...315#post127315

Weird charging problem
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13791

Battery/charging/starter cables
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13606

2011/03/07 edit:

Another recent post that traced to a bad cable. The symptoms vary a bit on these problems. Thanks goes to michaeljeffery for the picture and all posters for the info.

Battery not holding charge.
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13833

20110623 edti:

There's been a few recent threads which may be helpful.

no-start condition after many warnings
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16511

Intermittent starting problem
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6490

Another jump starting caution.
Batt/Alt cable fuse
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=30
(Thanks goes to Plummer.)

As with all single posts the original thread can be accessed by using the link in the upper right corner.

Thanks goes to all contributors to the above threads.

vic

Edit: Some NCV3 Alternator Information

This thread is actually in the For Sale section, but VanFan and others did some research so there is good general application information in the thread.

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25372

Thanks goes to VanFan and all contributors. vic

A recent comment with some additional detail. Thanks goes to John.

Quote:
Originally Posted by scubanw3 View Post
Check the battery/alternator cable at the starter. The cable comes from the alternator and goes to the starter. At the starter, the cable splits and goes to the engine start battery and another cable runs up to the quick jump start assembly at the air filter assembly. Where the cable splits, we have seen internal (hidden) corrosion at that connection. Corrosion at that connection will lower the voltage and amperage to the starter and act like a bad starter solenoid. This is another version of the corrosion and voltage drop we see in the fuse link of the alternator cable. Hope this helps.

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Advice on No Start Testing

Some very good advice from Autostarex Dick and Showkey for starter testing. Be very careful when when working around batteries and jumping the heavy terminals. Remove rings and metal jewelry. If metal gets across the battery supply source serious burns can result.

The original thread is here. Not just for NCV3 models.

Sprinter not starting....
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...d.php?p=248095

Thanks goes to all contributors.

Quote:
Originally Posted by autostaretx View Post
Ah... an NCV3... there have been many reports of failure of the "Y cable" that connects the starter, alternator and battery together.
(there's even a fusible link in the alternator segment).

There are many things that can prevent starter cranking... dead solenoid, dead starter contacts in the ignition switch, and (in the NCV3) sick logic/relays in-between.

*do the following with the key OFF and out of the ignition*
You can test the solenoid (and Y-cable) by locating the starter and (carefully, with the tip of a big screwdriver and being VERY careful to avoid hitting any other metal on the Sprinter) bridging the gap between the two heavy wires on the solenoid (the little cylinder thing on the side of the starter... where the wires attach).
That should make the starter spin (but perhaps not engage).
Now jump from the battery feed wire to the *smallest* wire on the solenoid (avoiding the thicker goes-into-starter wire).
That should cause the solenoid to pull in, and the starter to engage with the flywheel and start cranking the engine.
(beware: this is a diesel.. if there's anyresidual fuel or oil in the cylinders it may fire a chuff or two)

OK... if the first crank (thick wire to thick wire) works but the 2nd didn't, it's the solenoid at fault.
If they both worked, then the ignition key's twist isn't getting electricity down to the solenoid. Look upstream.
If neither worked, and the 2nd (little wire) didn't make the solenoid go CLUNK, then suspect the Y cable.(or engine-to-battery ground connections)
If the solenoid went CLUNK but the starter didn't spin, it's the starter.

Basic Starter Diagnostics 101...
--dick

Quote:
Originally Posted by showkey View Post
Voltage drop test all the battery and ground wires and connections......you would be looking for excessive voltage drop that would indicate the area with high resistance (poor connection, poor slice, corroded pinch eyelet or wire. Look for "green" copper at the splices and end under the insulation.

autostaretx drew out a perfect troubleshooting plan.......adding hit the starter body with a hammer.....old school back yard test, just moves the parts enough to temporarily fix a poor connection in the solenoid or brushes (similar to hitting a bump)
The starter solenoid is available through Summit Racing. 50 bucks as of 2006/12/23.

Quote:
Originally Posted by caeppinger View Post
You can also remove the starter and bench test it, it should take less than 30 minutes to remove the starter (it is not hard, easier removal than many other vehicles).
I bought my new solenoid from summit this year www.summitracing.com/parts/bch-2339305066 it worked great.
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