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Old 09-12-2017, 11:48 PM   #1
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Default Any opinions on 2017 Sprinter vs 2017 Ford Transit Diesel

I currently own 4 sprinters, but I am curious about the Ford Transit Diesel. Has anyone analyzed the differences? What was your conclusion?
This would be driven about 60 miles a day in city traffic.


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Old 09-13-2017, 12:52 AM   #2
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everyone that i know that has a modern new diesel is having some sort of issue,dodge,ford,mercedes.Dont know anyone with a new chevy diesel,mostly pollution controll,and or sensors.I might be wrong but i believe the heyday of the light duty diesel is over.at least for now.almost like in the 80s when everything was pretty crappy till the got the emission related things ironed out.Just my opinion.The last two gas engined vans that i had made it past 250,000 miles no real major things other than alternators,ac,a water pump on one,hoses and belts.they were chevys and were still running fine when i sold them.Although you cant expect the paint to stay on long.it will come off in sheets.
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Not any better if not worse. In today's world there will be no zero issue diesel engine do to all of the new emissions controls. I have a few friends who purchased the transits when they first hit the market being cheaper than the sprinter, they regret that decision by all means. (Too many transmission issues) As a passenger van i would pass on it, as it is very hard and has a rough like feel to the drive. Where the sprinter holds the road better and is in my opinion way better as fore as comfort goes. If you already have 4 sprinters the best advise i can give you is to stick to what you know. But as always taking one out for a test drive will be your best option, so you can see the difference. As fore as the engine goes, it is still too early to see how they hold up in the real world, and get some real feedback from owners.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:05 PM   #4
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Default Re: Any opinions on 2017 Sprinter vs 2017 Ford Transit Diesel

The transit has a gas engine option.
If our major concern with the Sprinter is the diesel emission problems
and my 08 has them $$.... perhaps the Ford's rough ride is not a bad trade off.
Even though mileage on the gas Ford's can't compete, the diesel emission repair
bills will off-set that easily. Not to mention, there is a Ford dealer in every town.
When will Toyota enter the fray?
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:34 PM   #5
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Not any better if not worse. In today's world there will be no zero issue diesel engine do to all of the new emissions controls. I have a few friends who purchased the transits when they first hit the market being cheaper than the sprinter, they regret that decision by all means. (Too many transmission issues) As a passenger van i would pass on it, as it is very hard and has a rough like feel to the drive. Where the sprinter holds the road better and is in my opinion way better as fore as comfort goes. If you already have 4 sprinters the best advise i can give you is to stick to what you know. But as always taking one out for a test drive will be your best option, so you can see the difference. As fore as the engine goes, it is still too early to see how they hold up in the real world, and get some real feedback from owners.
I owned a 08 NCV3 Sprinter for 5 years and 54,000 miles. and sold the Sprinter and bought a gas 2015 Ecoboost Transit that I have now driven for 2 1/2 years and 19,000 miles.

Had multiple reasons for the change but one primary one was to get rid of the diesel. The new emmission controls on all makes of "clean" diesels seem to have reliability problems. A simpler gas engine was preferred.

Almost no comments on the Transit forum about any transmission problems. In fact the 6 speed transmission is far better than the 5 speed NAG 1 in the 08 Sprinter. I used to manually shift the NAG 1 because it does not downshift when it should. I no longer need to do that with the Transit. The Transit has a hillholder feature and has the option of a tow/haul mode that automatically downshifts when going down a hill. Transit transmission is used in millions of Ford products. Perhaps you were referring to the Promaster that has had transmission issues? Ford did screwup the Transit driveline by using an inadequate rubber donut at the rear of the transmission instead of a U-joint.. It fails so Ford has issured a recall to replace that with a normal steel U-joint. All new Transits now being sold have the normal U-joint.

IMO the Transit drives and handles far better than my 08 Sprinter. Transit drives more like a good car instead of a truck.

If MPG is your primary reason to purchase, then buy a Sprinter. I keep accurate records of MPG. The Sprinter got 20.75 MPG when it was empty before the 2100 lbs of conversion stuff was installed. With the conversion weight I averaged 18.5 MPG. The Ford got about 16 MPG empty and now I am getting about 15.5 MPG with 1970 lbs of conversion stuff. Does not make sense that it has not dropped more but that is what is happening.

Do highly recommend you drive both vehicles to compare. There is a major difference IMO. All vehicles have advantages and disadvantages. I can make a list of Sprinter issues and a list of Transit issues. Overall I easily prefer the Transit. Others may have the opposite opinion.
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Default Re: Any opinions on 2017 Sprinter vs 2017 Ford Transit Diesel

I read and looked at a lot of stuff when I decided I needed to get a new van. I really liked my T1N Sprinter, was skeptical about NCV3, but the new I-4 motor is supposed to be OK.

BUT, diesel isn't the long term value it used to be. Current emissions standards have rendered the diesel in full size vans to be only marginally better than gas for MPG, and the extra maintenance cost (DEF, larger oil amount per change, etc) pretty much makes operating costs the same (assuming current fuel price fluctuations making diesel and regular gas about the same price averaged over the year). And extra equipment means extra things to break. So, I decided that gas was the way to go, for now. Mercedes doesn't have a gasoline engine offered for the Sprinter.

To add to Dave's assessment, I find that my Transit is much less maneuverable than my old T1N, and rides harsher. I have never driven an NCV3 Sprinter. My Transit drives like a huge box truck, instead of car-like as my T1N did; I have to forgo a lot of parking spots because I know that it will be a 3-4 point turn to get into them, where in the Sprinter I just drove right in. The Transit IS a little wider, though.

And if MPG is the primary concern, the Promaster diesel has been reported to be averaging above 25MPG in combined driving. The diesel ProRam only comes with the intriguing computer-shifted manual transmission, it drives like an automatic but it's a real manual transmission; the computer activates the clutch and shifts it instead of you. Kind of like push button start; the computer decides when it's time to let off on the starter. Some people really hate it.

Another thing in favor of the Ford; they have regular discounts for various reasons, and sell off the lot for 10-25% less than sticker price. The only time you'd pay MSRP is if you ordered one. My van's sticker was almost $35k and I paid about $26k (discounts for 2015 model year, Labor Day, new buyer, etc). Sprinters are hardly ever "on sale" and you pay sticker most of the time. That's one of the main reasons I bought the Ford, it's the best deal for the money in my opinion.
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Old 09-17-2017, 10:02 PM   #7
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Default Re: Any opinions on 2017 Sprinter vs 2017 Ford Transit Diesel

I read in the Transit forum that exhaust temp sensors are $30 and DIY replacement with no dealer adaptation vs over $300 for Sprinter plus pay for adaptation.
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I read in the Transit forum that exhaust temp sensors are $30 and DIY replacement with no dealer adaptation vs over $300 for Sprinter plus pay for adaptation.
That is correct!
But in any case Ford and its IDS system (if you buy it) holds nothing back! --You get it all for programming .
MB could learn something about that Ford's policy which in turn has emulated Toyota.
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That is correct!
But in any case Ford and its IDS system (if you buy it) holds nothing back! --You get it all for programming .
MB could learn something about that Ford's policy which in turn has emulated Toyota.
Emulation the finest form of flattery.
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Yup, just like MB copied the Transit.
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Graphite Dave :

Transit drives and handles far better than my 08 Sprinter. Transit drives more like a good car instead of a truck. 

Surlyoldbill :
I find that my Transit rides harsher. I have never driven an NCV3 Sprinter. My Transit drives like a huge box truck, instead of car-like as my T1N did;

To OP - 60 miles a day in city traffic ? Buy gas Promaster or Transit !
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