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Old 10-14-2019, 03:03 AM   #1
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Default Adding Igniter to Suburban Cooktop

Our old but still functional Suburban cooktop has no igniter. We use a welding flint striker because I don't want to leave a lighter with fluid in it in the RV in our summer heat. I'd like to add a permanent igniter. Someone did it here:

http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...tor-37636.html

It looks like there is room below the top for an igniter if I cut a hole in the stainless steel top.
I'm thinking of a two output battery sparker type igniter.

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Is that too close to the flame? I would figure the igniters are designed to be near heat.

Or, the igniter button could go on the cabinet front, similar to what the above poster did.

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I know I'm one to preach safety, so I welcome all comments.

Any thoughts on this idea?

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Old 10-14-2019, 08:27 PM   #2
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You can get piezo-electric sparkers ... similar to those on some outdoor gas grilles.
Your button-push whacks a crystal, and that crystal then puts out a short high-voltage pulse.
No batteries, no fuel, just *sparks*

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There are similar-shaped sparkers that use 9v batteries:

sparker9v.jpg

For that matter, you can buy replacement piezoelectric sparkers for gas grilles at places like Home Depot.
It's a panel-mounted red button with a semi-flexible lead off to the spark-emitting gap.
It would give you a Permanent button (on the cabinet's front top edge?) and you could probably splice on a second gap unit. They may even sell dual-burner models.


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Or if they're cheap enough put one on each burner.
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I did a search for 'push piezo igniter kit' and found this for just a couple of bucks.

OK, it's a UK site but I'm sure they must be available in the USA too!

I don't know what's on the rear side of the plate with the existing gas knobs on, but it there's room these could be installed with just a couple of holes drilled.

You could then make a simple metal bracket similar to the one in the link you shared to mount the igniters (one per side as Cheyenne suggested)

No batteries required, no pressurised gas lighter.

Also cheap enough that you could buy a handful of spares in case they fail.

Think that's how I would approach it....
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The igniter element is designed to be in close proximity to the flame. It needs to be to ignite the stream of gas. You should have any problem with adding an igniter(s).

The push button type igniter parts are quite common on gas grills. You might find all that you need at a home repair box store.

https://www.amazon.com/MENSI-igniter.../dp/B074FPYLQN

https://www.amazon.com/Brinkmann-Uni.../dp/B007VAXQGM

https://www.amazon.com/home-décor/b/...8&node=1063278

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I am about as cheap as they come and like to keep things simple, but in this case I'd forgoe the "free" piezo spark and get a battery powered unit. The batteries will probably last a year (or much more) and you don't have to be timing the press with the valve opening or listening to the BANG BANG BANG of the button when you are trying to light the burner (especially if you mount it in a sheet metal drum head).

https://www.amazon.com/TOPINCN-Gener...1149880&sr=8-7

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075RR471P...xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

There are many of these types of units with different spark gap arrangements - look around for "battery powered igniters".

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The igniter element is designed to be in close proximity to the flame. It needs to be to ignite the stream of gas. You should have any problem with adding an igniter(s).

The push button type igniter parts are quite common on gas grills. You might find all that you need at a home repair box store.

https://www.amazon.com/MENSI-igniter.../dp/B074FPYLQN

https://www.amazon.com/Brinkmann-Uni.../dp/B007VAXQGM

https://www.amazon.com/home-décor/b/...8&node=1063278

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I am about as cheap as they come and like to keep things simple, but in this case I'd forgoe the "free" piezo spark and get a battery powered unit. The batteries will probably last a year (or much more) and you don't have to be timing the press with the valve opening or listening to the BANG BANG BANG of the button when you are trying to light the burner (especially if you mount it in a sheet metal drum head).

https://www.amazon.com/TOPINCN-Gener.../dp/B07P655V2T

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B075RR471P

There are many of these types of units with different spark gap arrangements - look around for "battery powered igniters".
Yes, I am familiar with both types. My question was really if they could be located under the top cover of the cooktop safely by drilling a mounting hole, or if they had to be away from the heat.

I am replacing the absorption fridge that works like crap with a Vitrifrigo that is black (different thread in this forum), and replacing the counter where the laminate is all coming off. I am also considering replacing the cooktop with one that has a lighter included. This one will more or less match the fridge:

https://www.campingworld.com/dometic...op-117966.html

I think that type with a glass cover has become common in newer builds and looks less dated. I can't find reviews though, but it seems that the offset burners allow for bigger pots and pans.

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I can be dense sometimes.

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Yes, I am familiar with both types. My question was really if they could be located under the top cover of the cooktop safely by drilling a mounting hole, or if they had to be away from the heat.

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You mean the spark producing unit? If yes, most that I've seen are mounted away fro the burners proper.

My guess is that the button mechanical snap type might resist heat more than the battery type, but I have no experience to base that upon.

With the proper wires the spark producing unit can be mounted quite far away from the igniter at the burner.

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You mean the spark producing unit? If yes, most that I've seen are mounted away fro the burners proper.

My guess is that the button mechanical snap type might resist heat more than the battery type, but I have no experience to base that upon.

With the proper wires the spark producing unit can be mounted quite far away from the igniter at the burner.

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I could be more clear too! The electrodes need to go on the burners and the linked site shows a good way to use an aluminum bracket to do that. The spark units are what I am concerned about being near heat. Our grill has the mechanical type and it is near the controls, but does get some heat from the grill. I have never used the battery type as far as I know.

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You had the reference from the Fiberglass RV forum. I seem to recall someone putting the battery type unit underneath the Suburban on one of the Casita forums. Been a long time but I think there is a Casita Club website and a Casita Forum website. You might try looking there but it may be that you have to do the membership dance (not that big a deal) to do the search. I mention this because I have a Casita and did plan on doing that mod several years ago (but admit I may be making it all up in my mind).
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