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Old 03-17-2016, 07:58 PM   #1
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I have been researching Sprinter van conversions and I am impressed with the Advanced RV approach and product. Also, it appears that they have satisfied customers, however it does appear that you get what you pay for. I haven't found any specific information on A-RV pricing on the web, but I am assuming they are more expensive than other brands.

Wondering how much more (e.g. 20-40% over RoadTrek?)? I am not at the stage of savings where I can invest in an RV yet (we are renting for some trips to see how it goes), and in an effort to not waste anyone's' time with quotes, etc. I am just looking for general ranges (e.g. typically $160-200K range)? I know I couldn't make a complete comparison (specific options, etc.), but just looking for a ball park figure for comparison purposes would be really helpful.
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Old 03-17-2016, 09:14 PM   #2
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How does the saying go.."If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it"? Not saying that fits your scenario but the last time I checked AdvancedRV Sprinters were $200k on average. I'm sure there are several over $500k. Do you get what you pay for? That's up to you to decide. I would say there is no better Sprinter upfitter than AdvancedRV.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:15 PM   #3
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How does the saying go.."If you have to ask how much it costs, you can't afford it"? Not saying that fits your scenario but the last time I checked AdvancedRV Sprinters were $200k on average. I'm sure there are several over $500k. Do you get what you pay for? That's up to you to decide. I would say there is no better Sprinter upfitter than AdvancedRV.
I pretty much agree... have a 2010 Roadtrek Agile..oh, my what quality build.

Hope the takeover by the German firm will improve it's image; quality and detail.

If I had the $$$ I would in a heartbeat get ourselves an Advanced BUT they do not outfit an 2500, only the 3500 models.

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Last December, a year after we ordered, we cancelled our ARV order due to an unexpected price increase. Expect over $220K for new orders. We have a Roadtrek CS on order now.
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Old 03-18-2016, 05:37 AM   #5
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Advanced RV has a very curious business model of high prices but personally I donít think it is sustainable in long term. It is still a very new business so resale value did not kick in yet.

$220K is a neighborhood of an A diesel pusher based on, I assume, far more expensive chassis. Cabinetry work is at best average, nice soft close sliders on drawers, I think Barker drawers which I have in my DIY drawers, wow. Yes, suspension and diesel (no LPG) could cost maximum $20K (suspension $10K and Rixen $10K).

So $220K - $50K for a Sprinter - $20K = $150K for what?, maybe they have expensive lithium batteries.

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I have also seen Outside vans fully kitted out for $280k.

Thank you for the responses. It's helpful to have a range. I know they say the builds are custom but an online build sheet with typical options would be helpful. Also, it looks like the builds have custom options built of a standard core so IMO it wouldn't be hard to put a build sheet out there.

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Old 03-18-2016, 01:26 PM   #7
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Last December, a year after we ordered, we cancelled our ARV order due to an unexpected price increase. Expect over $220K for new orders. We have a Roadtrek CS on order now.
RDOMINY - So you had an ARV on order for a year and then they increased your original price? Wow, that does seem inappropriate! Although I suppose if some component cost had gone up it would be appropriate to pass that on.

How much did they increase your agreed upon price?
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Old 03-18-2016, 08:28 PM   #9
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In 2013 my wife and I searched for a B-class based on 144WB, all windows, no inside shower. We talked with Van Specialties. I believe that at some point they were cooperating with Outside Vans. Their product did not match my expectation, garage like (versus factory engineered) fit and finish, heavy, and a rock & roll bed not available. We live for a few months each year in EU so our point of reference was broader than just one based on the NA market.

The closest van which fit our needs was from the Safari Condo Co. but purchase from Canada was possible but difficult in 2013. I did not see the van so a fit and finish quality was and is still unknown to me.

Not finding an actual B-class van (we did not want a B+ or C) we decide to venture to DIY conversion to be based on 2013 passenger van which from the get-go gave us factory trim and all windows. The van has the transom shower, diesel furnace, diesel/shore power water heater, 300W PV, electric fridge, electric/alcohol stove, 3M Thinsulate, projection TV, 1000W inverter, microwave, cassette toilet, and high quality aluminum framed cabinetry including rock & roll bed.

Our costs were:

1. Sprinter $50K
2. All components $20K
3. 6 months of my engineering $60K
4. 4 months of my assembly labor $20K
5. Sold seats $3K

Total $147K. With engineering cost distributed over 10 units it would be $93K which should better reflect actual costs of the mom and pop conversion companies. My aluminum framed furniture was expensive and most likely would not be not used by commercial companies.

I understand that cost and price have little in common, but the price north of $300K for fully kitted Outside Van would represent about 200% profit or 120% profit for Advance RV. Unfortunately, neither of these mom and pop companies are listed in NADA so resale values is a big question.

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How much did they increase your agreed upon price?
Total increase was around $30k and after accounting for things like increase in cost of the Sprinter and my changes, it was about $15K with justification as "unanticipated costs of business ". It gave us a good chance to reflect on overall experience and whether a $75K difference over a comparably equipped Roadtrek CS was worth it to us. Adding up the features, I could at best account for $30k of benefits. And the CS has its own positives like significantly more interior storage, so it became an easy choice. And yes I'm aware of some of the Roadtrek quality issues, but our 1 year rental unit from ARV wasn't exactly trouble free. Don't get me wrong I like the ARV product, but not at their cost of both money and customer frustration. I hope they do well and help drive innovation.
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