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Old 12-20-2016, 10:29 AM   #1
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ok so I have my sprinter 2500 cargo 2006 scheduled to have a 3 person seat installed on 1/2, I got a 3 person bench seat, the 3 proper anchors, the bolts and backing plates... but I stopped by my mechanic to schedule the appt. and first thing he said was " problem is that it sits right on top of the frame, if you drill into the frame it will never pass inspection again", I knew the fuel tank would have to be lowered on the driver side, but didn't realize it lines up right on the frame rails. what should I tell him ? is it ok to drill through the frame ? I don't see how else they could mount, there are no holes visible as its a cargo, but when i ripped out the floor as you will see in this pict, there are spaces of bare metal where the seats would sit.... any help is greatly appreciated, anything I can tell my mechanic to help him will save me money for sure.... ( looking to install seat in the first position just behind driver seat...
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Old 12-20-2016, 12:54 PM   #2
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ok so I have my sprinter 2500 cargo 2006 scheduled to have a 3 person seat installed on 1/2, I got a 3 person bench seat, the 3 proper anchors, the bolts and backing plates... but I stopped by my mechanic to schedule the appt. and first thing he said was " problem is that it sits right on top of the frame, if you drill into the frame it will never pass inspection again", I knew the fuel tank would have to be lowered on the driver side, but didn't realize it lines up right on the frame rails. what should I tell him ? is it ok to drill through the frame ? I don't see how else they could mount, there are no holes visible as its a cargo, but when i ripped out the floor as you will see in this pict, there are spaces of bare metal where the seats would sit.... any help is greatly appreciated, anything I can tell my mechanic to help him will save me money for sure.... ( looking to install seat in the first position just behind driver seat...
There is a slight possibility that the anchor nuts for the seat receivers are already there. I recall comments of some people being able to grind off the tack welded OEM stubs to allow them to be used.

Can't alter the frame? It may depend upon the State Regulations. I have seen a couple vans modified for wheelchair service where very long bolts were installed centered through Sprinter frame sections to attach L-track mounts. A suitable heavy backer washer was used against the frame section.

There is a MB upfitters document which may give you something to provide ideas for your installer.

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thanks Ill look into that
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sounds like quite an emergency.
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Default Re: Emergency help on installing seat/cargo needed

How and where in the world would a van be inspected so thoroughly that they would crawl underneath or remove the seat brackets to see if the frame had been drilled into?! I live in the People's Republic of California, and even THEY are lax that they glossed over the rear seat LAYING ON THE FLOOR in my Transit cargo van and registered it as a passenger van.
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sounds like quite an emergency.
he he - in my house "emergency" is only allowed to be used in case of blood or fire (maybe chest pains)
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(where ARE you? That helps us feather our "inspection" answers to suit)

If you're mounting the seats in the Official Locations (marked by tiny pinholes in the wooden floor to tell you where to cut to install the seat anchors) then YES the anchor Nuts are already in there. They may have a drop of weld metal in them obscuring the hole, but a tap with a punch and a quick pass with an appropriate tap to clear the threads will leave you with a good, safe anchor. No frame drilling needed.
(if memory serves, there are even access holes on the sides of the frames at those points, so that MB could put the nuts in place at the factory.)

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thanks I am in NY, emergency to me as I have a 5 year old that I cannot legally drive in it so am extremely stressed about getting this bench in asap. I agree when he said that about inspection I was thinking I just won't bring it to you, no one else would know to look.... there are no markings on the white metal floor for holes, and the underneath was under coated which is great for winters, but tough for seeing the frame thanks for all your help, hopefully on the 2nd I can drive my son
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Looking (harder) at your photo, i'm surprised you can't *see* the fitting for the anchors at the spots i've circled (plus the other ends of the anchor slots).

If they are just open holes (like it looks at some of the ends), then you will need to put reinforcing plates underneath (you can make/buy plates with a hole through and a nut welded on)
The plates don't have to be too big, but they do need/want to spread the load out a bit inside the frame.

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If you could take a close-up photo at any of the red-circled spots, it would help.
There have been threads (back in 2006/2007) with detailed photos showing the as-delivered "plugged" holes ... before and after the owner cleared them out. I'm using the search bar to try to find some...

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Well, i found one of the old threads about adding seats, but no the photos (he had them on another server, and they're now gone)
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4432

Unfortunately, he *added* reinforced nuts, he didn't make use of anything that MB had put in there originally...

So i'm still digging through the dusty archives....
(in another thread surlyoldbill wrote of only needing a Dremel to remove the small welds holding bolts that were placed into the nuts)
Your photos show that that's not your situation.

This thread: http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8481[/url] has another approach.
ECU has posted that he added a 2-wide seat using the factory anchors, but i can't find where he described the work.
...ahh.. i'm finding dribs and drabs... http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...97&postcount=8
...he speaks of having nuts welded up so that he "wouldn't have to drop the fuel tank" ... which must interfere with the forward points of the forward seat. The nuts were welded to the floor from the top.
added: i finally found ECU's "how i did it" thread: http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5470

Then there are the totally whacko installations (but note the wide-support-area nuts used under the floor)
http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36197

Someone who moved the seats back a foot or so... http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28123

And then there was the added-seat-legality thread: http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29940

Another "how i did it": http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...3&postcount=14
... which is part of this thread: http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9876

Another: http://sprinter-source.com/forum/sho...26&postcount=4

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