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Old 05-04-2011, 11:23 PM   #1
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Default 2004 Sprinter may need "long block" ? Cost? Whats that mean?

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Ive been in the process of buying a 2004 Sprinter with 375k miles.

The seller wants 7k for it. I was gonna pick it up a few days ago, but the alternator went out.

So, hes in the process of getting it replaced at a dodge dealership. when i called the dealership, they mentoned/slipped that it may need a "long block" as well. but couldnt be certain til they got alternator in and cranked it up.

Do you know if this means it basically needs a new engine? If he's putting in a new alternator, then I can't imagine the engine is really in need of a new long block, or is it?

do you do rebuilds on something like this?

what kind of price are we talking?

Am I better off holding on it? guy wants 7k, but if i had to replace the engine, whats a fair price?

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Default Re: 2004 Sprinter may need "long block" ? Cost? Whats that mean?

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That is as opposed to a "short block" which is generally a rebuilt engine which you transfer over your ancillary equipment (alternator, emission system, etc.)
I thought that describes a long block. Isn't a short block a block w/o head?
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Default Re: 2004 Sprinter may need "long block" ? Cost? Whats that mean?

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I thought that describes a long block. Isn't a short block a block w/o head?
Could be. I'm using what I was hearing over the years. I could very well be wrong in my definition.

Sorry, I was wrong I'm posting misinformation... yet again. Deleted the post. vic

Wikipedia

Long block is an automotive term describing an engine sub-assembly consisting of the following:

Short block. The long block is always a superset of the corresponding short block.

Cylinder head. A complete new or remanufactured cylinder head assembly is installed with a new head gasket and torqued to specification. Complete cylinder heads include new or reconditioned valves, valve springs, valve guides (if applicable), valve seats (if applicable), valve locks, and valve keepers. The bare head is free from cracks, warps, or holes.
If the engine is a flathead, then the valve train is installed if the short block did not already have it.

On most engines, the camshaft will be installed. On many engines with timing gears, the camshaft will be timed.

A long block engine replacement will typically require swapping out parts from the original engine to the long block. These parts include the intake manifold, carburetor or fuel injection system, the exhaust manifold, alternator, power steering pump (if any), and air conditioner compressor (if any).



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_block


From another hit...

http://www.enginefactory.com/block_descriptions.htm

I WOULD LIKE TO PURCHASE AN ENGINE, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FOLLOWING ENGINES, SHORT BLOCK, LONG BLOCK AND THE TURN KEY ENGINE.

TO START WITH ALL ENGINES ARE THE SAME DIMENSIONS, SOME PEOPLE ASK IF A SHORT BLOCK IS SMALLER THAN A LONG BLOCK, THE ANSWER IS NO ! THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE, THE REASON THEY CALL IT A SHORT BLOCK IS THAT MANY OF THE PARTS ARE LEFT OFF SUCH AS HEADS, ROCKER ARMS, LIFTERS, OIL PAN, ETC. IN OTHER WORDS THEY HAVE BEEN SHORTED FROM A LONG BLOCK, HENCE THE NAME SHORT BLOCK. TO HELP CLARIFY THE THREE I WILL GIVE YOU A LIST OF WHAT IS INCLUDED IN EACH ENGINE.

SHORT BLOCKS HAVE THE FOLLOWING INCLUDED.

LOWER BLOCK, CRANKSHAFT, CONNECTING RODS, PISTONS, RINGS, MAIN BEARINGS, ROD BEARINGS, CAM BEARINGS, WARNING ONLY PURCHASE THIS UNIT IF YOU HAVE A QUALIFIED ENGINE SPECIALIST WHO CAN PROPERLY CLEAN, REWORK, AND ASSEMBLE TO A COMPLETE RUNNING ENGINE, IT WILL REQUIRE NUMEROUS NEW PARTS, AND LOTS OF TIME NOT RECOMMENDED FOR THE WEEKEND WARRIOR !!!

LONG BLOCK ENGINES HAVE THE FOLLOWING INCLUDED.

BLOCK, CRANKSHAFT, PISTONS, RINGS, MAIN BEARINGS, ROD BEARINGS, CAM BEARINGS, CAMSHAFT, TIMING CHAIN, SPROCKETS, LIFTERS, PUSH RODS, ROCKER ARMS, CYLINDER HEADS, OIL PUMP, OIL SCREEN, AND GASKET SET. THIS WILL ALSO REQUIRE A SKILLED ENGINE SPECIALIST, AND HOURS OF TIME CLEANING THE FOLLOWING PARTS THAT YOU TAKE OFF YOUR OLD ENGINE TO REUSE ON YOUR NEW ENGINE, SUCH AS OIL PAN, TIMING COVER, VALVE COVERS, INTAKE MANIFOLD, CARBURETOR, WATER PUMP DISTRIBUTOR, ALL IGNITION COMPONENTS, IT WILL REQUIRE MANY HOURS OF CLEANING AND ASSEMBLY, PLUS IF YOU SCREW IT UP IT IS YOUR PROBLEM !!!

TURN KEY ENGINES HAVE THE FOLLOWING INCLUDED.

THIS IS THE WAY TO GO, YOUR ENGINE ARRIVES READY TO RUN RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX, THE ENGINE IS COMPLETE FROM THE OIL PAN TO THE AIR CLEANER, IT HAS BEEN HOT RUN TESTED, THE ENGINE IS BROKEN IN, IT HAS BEEN TESTED FOR OIL LEAKS, FUEL LEAKS, VACUUM LEAKS, AND COOLANT LEAKS, TIMING, CARBURETOR, CHOKE, AND MIXTURE SCREWS ARE ALL ADJUSTED, EACH CYLINDER IS BALANCE TESTED TO BE SURE IT IS PERFORMING AT 100 %, TEMPERATURE IS TESTED AT ALL 4 CORNERS TO BE SURE THE BLOCK IS COOLING EVENLY, TURN KEY ENGINES HAVE ALL NEW MOVING PARTS, PLUS BRAND NEW CYLINDER HEADS, VALVES, SPRINGS, RETAINERS, LIFTERS, PUSH RODS, ROCKER ARMS, INTAKE MANIFOLD, NEW CARBURETOR, DISTRIBUTOR, CAP, COIL, ROTOR, SPARK PLUGS, IGNITION WIRES, NEW FUEL PUMP, WATER PUMP, FUEL LINES, ALL FILTERS. WE EVEN SEND ALONG A 40 MINUTE INSTALLATION DVD AND A DETAILED REPORT SHOWING YOU THAT YOU CAN INSTALL THIS ENGINE WITH TOTAL CONFIDENCE.

NOTHING ELSE TO BUY !!!! WE GUARANTEE IT!!!
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Old 05-05-2011, 08:48 AM   #4
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Default Re: 2004 Sprinter may need "long block" ? Cost? Whats that mean?

Yeah, I'm confused by long block/short block, but basically I think it means that a portion of the engine needs to be replaced, and other parts can be salvaged. sounds like a rebuild.

But, it apparently runs and drives fine, even though it may need replacement...

I guess sometimes they can run for a while maybe not even firing on all cylinders.
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Old 05-05-2011, 11:27 AM   #5
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$500.00! 375 plus he's cooked the engine? I just don't see what the blind fascination with Sprinters is.

Google $7,000 and used E350 and see what is available.

And now you know he's already lied to you at least once.

I wonder what he's managed to do to the ECU?

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Old 05-05-2011, 12:32 PM   #6
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Default Re: 2004 Sprinter may need "long block" ? Cost? Whats that mean?

I suggest that you contact WAYNERODD or Doktor A.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:44 PM   #7
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Default Re: 2004 Sprinter may need "long block" ? Cost? Whats that mean?

Replacing the engine (either a short block or a long block) is going to cost as much or more than the $7k you are thinking of spending.
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the rest of the Sprinter (i.e. transmssion/rear end/driveshaft/brakes/steering/AC/body parts) will all have the same 375K miles on them.
Not so good IMHO.
A Sprinter will not run for very long (if at all) missing on one cylinder. The electronics would sense the problem and shut things down pretty quickly.
I agree with Mendosy..... call Dr. A or WayneRod and either pay them to go and take a look before you spend $7k or at least get another opinion from a factory authorized Sprinter service facility before you spend that kind of $$.
Rebuilt short blocks are not ever started up and run at the rebuilders. They spin them with a big electric motor and check for oil pressure and abnormal noises.
They only replace the pistons, rings, and bearings with a rebore or hone job so the new piston rings will seat. Crankshft may or may not get reground to an undersize.
A long block (with the cylinder head and all the valve operating mechanisms) may be test run/maybe not.
You would put all of your old ancilliary parts (i.e. the turbo/radiator/transmission/alternator/water pump/fuel pump/injectors/glow plugs/engine sensors and electronics/starter/PS Pump/ etc) back on the rebuilt long block so all of these parts have 375K miles on them.
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Default Re: 2004 Sprinter may need "long block" ? Cost? Whats that mean?

It means the whole motor is junk,run dont walk from this Sprinter.If the motor is that bad the rest cant be far behind.
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:00 PM   #9
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Hi,


Ive been in the process of buying a 2004 Sprinter with 375k miles.



Am I better off holding on it? guy wants 7k, but if i had to replace the engine, whats a fair price?

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Default Used 05 3500 LWB SHC with 240k for $6000

What about this deal?


I am looking at a used 2005 3500 LWB SHC with 240k for $6000.

I don't plan on putting a lot of miles on it, just some camping etc. But I don't want it to blow up either.

Is this a decent deal or a waste of $ ?
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