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Old 09-20-2019, 10:39 PM   #11
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The Sprinter is NOT problematic!
It follows repair and service reliability experiences much like any other brand.

A model series becomes familiar to the dealer, repair trade , and then the DIY'r only to be replaced by the the successor which is more complicated and presents its own unique service problems.

I see it repeated time over time with the Sprinter van models and they in turn mirror similar experiences with say competitions like Ford, Chrysler vans' & then at the same time more luxury brands like Landrover/Jaguar, Audi, BMW et al.
Its seems just when you have overcome the service problematic issues unique with one series along comes another successor. That in turn throws you more repair curve balls for the dealer under warranty support, then the Independant, and the DIY to overcome as time goes by.

We have all read on these forums the service and repair difficulties with earlier 906 vans all associated with the CD14 engine and emission controls.
Then quickly followed up by the CD16 series and the Blurtech debacle.
(by the way that is still going on but a level of calm or wallet flushing acceptance has descended to a more sophisticated NOx sensor and SCR Cat. Read $$$$ more expensive.
All of the above is true, but none of it addresses the question of whether "The Sprinter is problematic". In qualitative terms, OF COURSE all new technologies go through a learning curve. But that tells us nothing about the relative reliability of one technology over another. You yourself are fond of using the term "blurtech", and rightly so. The "debacle" that you reference is simply not business as usual. It is a bad technology, poorly implemented, and inadequately supported. THIS is what OP is rightfully afraid of.

It is a false assumption that more complexity equates to less reliability. Cars in general are FAR more complex than ever before, but are nonetheless statistically also far more reliable than ever before. Toyota and Honda have shown us the levels of reliability that are achievable in highly-complex modern vehicles. By this standard, the Sprinter is arguably "problematic", or at any rate, the Sprinter DEF-equippped diesel powertrain is problematic, to say the least.

Complexity DOES equate to difficulties for the DIYer and other non-specialist, but that is a different matter.

IMO, OP has made a fine decision.
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Old 09-20-2019, 11:47 PM   #12
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i would have to admit they are more problematic than any other van iv owned,that being said i like it more than any van iv ever ran.iv had several over the years fords and mostly chevys all striped down service vans.but if im honest with myself iv had three chevys all three made 300,000 miles with little issues water pumps,plugs and ignition coils.being able to stand up in my sprinter van makes all the difference in the world,and for the size of the thing it handles well.But my 08 sprinter in 150,000 miles has cost me well over 6,000.00 in repairs not including maint.I did buy it used.all i could afford.also nice to get 18 mpg pushing the hell out of it.
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I am own my third Sprinter, only problem has been 1 set of NOX sensors and EGR over nine years.
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I am own my third Sprinter, only problem has been 1 set of NOX sensors and EGR over nine years.
If you swap Sprinters every 3 years.........your never out of 3/36 warranty and 5/100 emissions warranty. That’s the best way to own a Sprinter or any German vehicle

Play your cards just right:

You might never have to do a brake job, transmission service or tires.
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Old 09-21-2019, 07:19 AM   #15
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If you swap Sprinters every 3 years.........your never out of 3/36 warranty and 5/100 emissions warranty. Thatís the best way to own a Sprinter or any German vehicle

Play your cards just right:

You might never have to do a brake job, transmission service or tires.
That is true. Plus, you and your family will still likely have many happy days during your vacation travels munching biscotti while collecting your "free" NoX and/or wheel speed sensors.
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If you swap Sprinters every 3 years.........your never out of 3/36 warranty and 5/100 emissions warranty. Thatís the best way to own a Sprinter or any German vehicle
I would actually do this, but the built out costs too much time and money to make this plausible.
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One should compare the reliability of different van brands. All are more complex than older vehicles but some seem to be more reliable than others. Since they are no longer DIY vehicles, then it is also important how many locations that have the proper skills/tools are available to do the repairs.

The reliability of current diesel engines vs a gas engine should be considered.
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If you swap Sprinters every 3 years.........your never out of 3/36 warranty and 5/100 emissions warranty. Thatís the best way to own a Sprinter or any German vehicle

Play your cards just right:

You might never have to do a brake job, transmission service or tires.
Thereís a significant cost-of-ownership difference between a cargo Sprinter and one built out as a B-Van as well... and depreciation over three years figures heavily into that. You can pretty easily lose $50k-$70 on a B-van build in three years... to maintain that cycle takes a pretty deep wallet.

Thatís why Iím looking at used... well, honestly Iím not really looking at all... itís just that this Great West is such a good buy I didnít want to pass it up if the maintenance expenses really werenít as onerous as they seem to be from posts here. BUT... it appears that the potential maintenance expenses on any given five year old NCV3 might in fact be as onerous as one would be led to believe following the forums.

Frankly Iím disappointed. I like the looks of the NCV3, and I like EVERYTHING about the coach I had spotted, including the price. I thought Iíd found THE van. But Iím not willing to accept that it might require $10k in routine maintenance just on the Bluetec and Adblue systems alone sometime during the next five years. I only put $3k into a twenty-year old Coachmen Ford e250 in the four years I had it and that was inclusive maintenance including TWO sets of tires. And itís still out there doing road trips.
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I would actually do this, but the built out costs too much time and money to make this plausible.

This came up in our recent around the camp fire discussion...........if we were going to do a North American tour :

Buy a new B RV
Run the North American tour for 3 years 90,000 miles
Maintenance by the book 4 oil changes, 1 or 2 transmission service, 3 air filter. One set of tires.*
Sell the van at the end of the tour

Walk away

*Maybe even prebuy the MB service plan.
Highway miles might get by with original brakes.

Costly........probably yes

Compared to a 3-5 year old used with maintenance or possible break downs? Out of warranty.
Do you feel lucky ?
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I love my 2014 4cyl Sprinter itself. Most things about it are great, the fuel mileage, the size, the ride, etc. etc.

But I would never buy it again, and I am going to sell it way prematurely just to get rid of it. The 3 reasons:

1) The diesel regulations and systems required. Too much to go wrong, too expensive to fix. I could see those costs easily cancelling out the savings in fuel.

2) The stupidly overcomplicated systems. More details below.

3) The super expensive repairs. There is no shop around that specializes in German vehicles like this, so I have to take it to the dealer, who has charged me almost $500 for an oil change and tire rotation and a bunch of "checks". I want to be able to go to the dozens of good shops around me that can all work on a Ford for a reasonable price.

Here is an example of what I meant about the overcomplicated systems. I wanted to install a rear back up camera with monitor to replace my rear view mirror since I have the cargo van with no back windows. In any normal vehicle I would take power from the dome light that is located right there. But I read on this forum that taking power from that dome light can cause an issue with the computer when it sense the extra current being pulled and could put the van into limp mode.

That is just craziness. I don't need that garbage.
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