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Old 11-06-2009, 02:14 AM   #21
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When I got home tonight, I checked the camber on my questionable window based on NBB’s post.

From top to bottom, I see that the window has a clear camber which indicates that it will fit a curved van side. It seems correct to me. This picture is looking at the leading edge of the window.

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Looking at the lower edge of the window I see that the leading edge of the window is raised from the trailing edge. This would fit a sliding door on a van which gets bigger as you move to the front. The arrow points to the front of the van

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I think this explains why when the glass of the opening window is mounted, it fits flush at the front leading edge; however, as the frame drops away the glass doesn’t follow. Hence the raised ¼ “ that I’m measuring. The frame from the midpoint back has no camber that I can see. The glued window fits well and the clearance from the glass to frame remains pretty constant.

Now, I don’t have my van this week so I can not check, but I really don’t think that the slider door gets a wider profile as you move forward. If anything I would expect it to remain constant or to narrow. If the door does get wider as you move foward, than the frame is right and unless they curve the glass this should be expected.

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Old 11-06-2009, 03:11 PM   #22
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When I got home tonight, I checked the camber on my questionable window based on NBB’s post.

From top to bottom, I see that the window has a clear camber which indicates that it will fit a curved van side. It seems correct to me. This picture is looking at the leading edge of the window.
Thanks for the photos.

Yeah - exactly. However, I think if you measure the "camber", in your first photo, using a ruler to measure the largest gap formed between the window and the straight edge, you would find it to be different between the front and the back - as your second photo suggests. Either that, or there is a "twist" front-back of the entire assembly.

In short - when you install this in your van, it probably won't work. Mine barely completes the seal. My clamp ring was destroyed trying to conform to the deformities. It doesn't look good.

I contacted CRL and they agreed to return the window. Nice people. Helpful. It would be nicer if they worked the quality side a little more. Because I couldn't choose a lot #, I am going burn a few more weeks of my 30 day return window before I do the exchange - hoping to get a new lot.

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Old 11-06-2009, 03:44 PM   #23
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A little off the main topic, but I'll give it a shot with this group...

Has anyone successfully fitted true OEM windows (from Dodge, FL, etc.) into their 2007+ cargo van? I was trying to go down this road prior to buying the CRL product, but I encountered a couple of roadblocks. I'm getting inspired to try this option once again. All I really want is windows in the forward side positions for second row 'crew type' seating. I am open to finding other ways to ventilate the van when camping.

For those in the know, are all 2007+ OEM Sprinter side windows glued in place, or is that only the true passenger models? I saw a set of windows removed from a Sprinter passenger wagon, and they were clearly glued in place (at the outermost edge of the glass). I was hoping the side windows were held in place with a gasket, much like T1Ns were. I've seen some factory crew vans that have a visible rubber gasket on the interior side of the window. Is that structural, or just to cover the opening in the body metal?

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Old 11-07-2009, 05:01 AM   #24
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A little off the main topic, but I'll give it a shot with this group...

Has anyone successfully fitted true OEM windows (from Dodge, FL, etc.) into their 2007+ cargo van? I was trying to go down this road prior to buying the CRL product, but I encountered a couple of roadblocks. I'm getting inspired to try this option once again. All I really want is windows in the forward side positions for second row 'crew type' seating. I am open to finding other ways to ventilate the van when camping.

For those in the know, are all 2007+ OEM Sprinter side windows glued in place, or is that only the true passenger models? I saw a set of windows removed from a Sprinter passenger wagon, and they were clearly glued in place (at the outermost edge of the glass). I was hoping the side windows were held in place with a gasket, much like T1Ns were. I've seen some factory crew vans that have a visible rubber gasket on the interior side of the window. Is that structural, or just to cover the opening in the body metal?

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I have a 2008 that was ordered as a cargo van with windows all around. The windows are definitely glued in place and have a rubber trim that covers the inside edge of metal. I don't remember if the passenger vans have trim to cover up to that, haven't seen that many passenger models up close.

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Are the newer CRL slider windows available in a format that is now fitting in the
NCV1 Slider door properly?
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Old 12-06-2009, 04:32 AM   #26
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Update: I just picked up a new passenger side window to replace the one I originally received (with the out of alignment vent window). The new one is significantly better, with the operable vent aligned within about 1/16" of the fixed window right beside it. Given what I've seen and heard, I'm pleased with this result.

Either I got lucky, or CRL has addressed the QC side of things with this product. Hopefully it will still be aligned once I install it in the van...

I'll post photos once I get these installed, which I will not attempt until this NW cold snap lifts.
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Old 12-07-2009, 04:48 PM   #27
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Good to hear you got a better one. I gave up dealing with Trucknvans, they just ignored my calls. Since I was able to get some improvement during the install you should be able to get yours right on.

Good luck on the warm weather, just sucks outside. You would think we lived in Canada or the midwest the way it is right now.
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I went with MotionWindows from Van Specialties and they have held up well so far. They are not as good looking as the CR lawrence windows, but they seem a lot beefier.
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Old 01-04-2010, 04:03 AM   #29
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Update:

TrucknVan did get after CR Laurence and a new window arrived.

The fit of the new window glass is as close to perfect as I might want. I'm very impressed with the looks of this latest window. With all the excitement I could muster Lise and I went to swap out the window.

While I had the window out I wanted to check the condition of the cut edge of the sheet metal for rust. A couple of spots were not looking so good although I did use what I though was a good auto primer on the edge. We masked the window and reprimed the edge with a couple of coats.

Slipped the window into place.....

Doesn't fit, doesn't make sense, just took the window out, has to be an aligment issue....... fit, fit, push, pull, adjust, stess and more stress. Nope it doesn't fit. Heavy sighs now.....

Pulled it out and measured and compared windows. New window is 1/4" longer, at the top only than the orginal one and some. The frame on the new window is actually just a bit larger than the Sprinter stamped window opening in a couple of areas.

Now, recutting the opening, refit, did I mention it is now really dark outside. Only planned on 30 minutes or so for this and its not a good task to be during with flashlights.

As it stands now, the window will actually be great when I can get it to fit. However, since doing this in the dark is not working out, I've not got the hole perfect. Reprimed and did a best fit and I'll have to wait till next weekend to finish the recut, reprime and hopefully mark the windows done.

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Default Re: CE Laurence window questions

Perhaps if you bang your head against it a bit more it will fit in the hole!!

Kidding aside..

Don't use primer to protect metal, that's not what it's designed for. It and most enamels, are porous. They allow water/moisture to travel through.

Use a polyurethane or epoxy based paint only. Also, file/sand the cut edge 'round'. This will elimate the 'corners' on the metal that won't allow for a thicker coat.

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