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Old 11-04-2009, 11:18 AM   #11
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When springing for this a product like this, one would expect to not have to take something apart and fix it before use. Any idea how much it might cost to have a glasier fix something like this? Maybe I should go that route instead of going back through CR Laurence again. Right now I don't have anything that will haul the window to get an estimate.
Not sure what it would cost to reglue, but I wouldn't expect it to be very costly. If I go this route, I'll be looking for a decent independent glass shop that I can work out the details with (do you know of any?). While I'm there, I'll have the windshield replaced, as a few airborne stones managed to find my glass this past summer.

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Jef was taking about trying to do a get together for folks in the Portland area, I think that is an awesome idea.
I'd be up for that. Sounds fun!
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Old 11-04-2009, 02:34 PM   #12
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I bought a new but not-from-the-factory window for the bay opposite the slider window for my 140 cargo. There's no way in heck that I'm gonna take a saw to Frito so I need a good installer. There seems to be a few in the Portland area and I'd be willing to drive there from northern Idaho for the install. Any recommendations?

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Old 11-04-2009, 02:58 PM   #13
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Fortunately, last April I got one of the last Atwood late model Sprinter slider windows before they closed their Sprinter window plant in Iowa. Really sad they closed because their windows were definitely better than CRL. Both lower sections are awnings and both open. The window alignment is much better. Atwood told me that CRL purchased the Atwood product line. I was hoping CRL would incorporate the Atwood design and quality into their product but so far they have not. The slider awning window alignment to the fix window portion has been an ongoing issue. We’ve had pretty good luck. We have 2 installs coming up this week and next and we’ll see how they go.

For the past 4 years, we’ve hosted the annual NW SprinterFest in April and would be happy to host another get together. Lots of Sprinter things to see here, suspension up-grades, performance products, accessories, DRBIII and DAS Mercedes scan tools, a 4wd Sprinter, fabrication department, time for Q&A, etc. Let me know if you are interested.

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Old 11-04-2009, 03:19 PM   #14
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I just opened one of the rear door windows to see what it looks like. I held it up to the indentation in the rear door and it "seems" like it will work well. The curve top to bottom seemed proper, as did the side to side. We'll see. Did you (or the installer) use anything around the cut edge on the rear door? The factory windows in the new vans have a trim piece that slides around the cutout all the way around.

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Old 11-04-2009, 03:57 PM   #15
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Peter,

John (scubanw3) here in Portland does good work and is well regarded in the area. Its a full service shop so you can get your 10,000 service and such while your there getting your windows installed. I've had a chance to visit his shop and saw some of his work, very clean and the there were lots of Sprinters there. It not like he sees one every few months and calls himself an expect, they work on them daily there and lots of repeat business.

There is one other shop that does just conversions, Van Specialist. They can do windows, beds, chairs, that sort of stuff, but as far as I know or could see, don't service Sprinters.

Both fit a different segment, there are also a few people doing work privately.

I'm planning to attend the April event at John's place, from what I've heard in the past it has been lots of fun. Sad part is that is 6 months away and we were thinking about doing something sooner. Was that an offer to host a Fall gathering???

It is a shame we still can't get those Atwood windows anymore. I'm curious John, if the slider windows for your upcoming installs come in the way everyone elses have been, do they go back or are you able to work with them?

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Old 11-04-2009, 04:32 PM   #16
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My rear window nearly contacts the door pinchweld in the middle, and sits proud a bit of the perimeter recess on top and bottom. I've calmed down a bit - it's not *that* bad...but jeez...

I don't believe the factory rear window parts will fit the cutout. The seal won't fit, and the frit on the factory glass won't cover the metal exposed from the cut out - hence the CRL product. Let me know if you find different. My plan is some black latex caulk and a wet finger - ie, not silicone as I think it would be too difficult to make an attractive and clean bead.

Here's an update on the sliding door window mentioned several times above. I believe the forward part of the frame is not correctly bent from top to bottom to match the curve of the body. I believe this is at least partly why the flap doesn't close. The clamp ring on my window ended up virtually destroyed and the window seal is very compressed in the middle and barely making contact at the top and bottom - but only on the forward portion of the window. The back is okay - okay enough. SO... I would recommend a straight edge and a small ruler to mearure the curve of the forward top-bottom and rear top-bottom and make sure they are close before going through the trouble of cutting a hole and bolting in something that you'll have to return - like me. You should also be able to see the problem by using the same straight edge and confirming flatness front to back accross the top. Mine is not flat. In fact, it's kind of gross - off by maybe a 1/4" or more - even with my flap window being able to close to within 1/8" or so. I think it's the same problem.

Could you post a lot # from your box, if it exists? I have recycled my box. I want a new window, but not from the same production run.

Hope this helps.

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Old 11-05-2009, 12:40 AM   #17
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Well folks…the late model Sprinter is made in the shape of an egg so the measurements you refer to will not be straight. There are really not many straight areas on the Sprinter. If you were to pull a line from the front wheel rocker to the rear wheel rocker you will see the center of a 144” WB will have a ˝+” crown to it and the 170” even more. The CLR windows have been made for the consumer market. The price and fit conform to that market. I really wish the Atwood windows were still available. As I mentioned, I was hoping the CLR window would morph into the Atwood after the take over and we would all be happy. Mine weighed twice what the CLR windows weigh and fit better. But, even my Atwood had some irregularities that I just had to accept. The production date on the slider windows I have is 10/08/09 and the only other pertinent number is 624H14.

And BTW, yes that was an offer to host a Fall gathering??? Just let me know. Probably would be as fancy as the SprinterFest but just as fun. Let me know.

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The production date on the slider windows I have is 10/08/09 and the only other pertinent number is 624H14.
Same information on my box

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The CLR windows have been made for the consumer market. The price and fit conform to that market. I really wish the Atwood windows were still available. As I mentioned, I was hoping the CLR window would morph into the Atwood after the take over and we would all be happy.
I had the same wish, and was hoping the new CRL window would be built to the former Atwood spec. I was actually encouraged when my windows were on a multi-month backorder. I ordered them in July, and they arrived in late September. I was hoping they were re-tooling and producing the Atwood design, hence the lag. Alas, that does not seem to be the case...

I was also offered an 'OEM look' window by CRL that I initially dismissed. Single piece of glass, no vent, mounted with the CRL interior trim ring and screws. Given that I have one good vented window for the drivers side, I'm considering going with this part for the sliding door. That said, I don't want to trade one issue for another one...

Haven't cut into the van yet.

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"There are really not many straight areas on the Sprinter. If you were to pull a line from the front wheel rocker to the rear wheel rocker you will see the center of a 144” WB will have a ˝+” crown to it and the 170” even more. "
Just to clarify - the Sprinter curves one way, my window curves the other. It's pretty obviously messed up beyond CRL's intent.

I mention the straight edge L-R, as I believe the window should be flat in this direction. Mine is not. My other 2 windows are.

I believe this is the root of the problems mentioned in this thread - that the forward side of the window wasn't bent correctly - Top-Bottom. The rear part of the window - Top-Bottom - seems okay. The Forward part should match the Rear curvature - Top-Bottom - but it does not. This, too, could be verified with a straight edge + a ruler.

I think the side windows are not great, but acceptable, if they are made right. I would not avoid them. However, I would reject any windows with the above lot #'s on the box.

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