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Old 01-12-2011, 08:26 PM   #1
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Default Isuzu/Utilimaster vehicle a Sprinter replacement?

Graphite Dave got me interested in this by his comment. Sorry if this a duplication of the topic.

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Watch the development of the Utilimaster/Isuzu delivery van. It could be an answer. Supposed to be out end of next year. American built body with Japanese drive train could be a winner. I would hope they do not destroy the vehicle with an electrical system as poorly designed as the Sprinter. Van is supposed to be 10" wider than the Sprinter.
One reason it caught my eye was that I owned a Utilimaster Aeromate for quite a few years. It was a nice small size walk-in van. The problem with it for my regatta use was that it was based upon a Dodge Caravan 3.0 V6 gas engine. It had no towing capacity to speak of so I never was able to tow my boat. I thought the overall quality of the Utilimaster was pretty good.

One thing I notice right away is the capacity of the announced Isuzu/Utilimaster.

"The foundation of the vanís body-on-frame design will be a heavy-duty Isuzu NPR commercial truck chassis with a GVWR of 12,000 pounds."

I trust Roger, Sailquik will comment on the possible ramifications of that to private owners. I have appreciated his comments in the past.

Anyway, here's a link I found if you're interested.

http://www.isuzucv.com/news/04-10-WI...ease-FINAL.pdf

Have fun. vic
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:29 PM   #2
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Default Re: Isuzu/Utilimaster vehicle a Sprinter replacement?

What does it look like? Chassis with a box? I would not mind something that will take less visits for check engine lights to the dealer, however the Sprinter is still very eye pleasing to myself, my customers and most importantly, My Homeowners Association!
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:36 PM   #3
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and most importantly, My Homeowners Association!
Good question/point. With the 12,000# base I expect it will be pretty much boxy commercial looking, but I haven't seen any sketches. Edit: They did specifically mention Sprinters in their announcement though. vic
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:46 PM   #4
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I ran a fleet of NPR-series Isuzu turbocharged diesels in 11000 to 26000 gvwr classes and with 16' to 26' boxes.

Terrific trucks. I remember getting called by an Isuzu company rep asking if there was anything I disliked. I mentioned it would be nice to check all the fluids without having to tilt the cab. Dang if next year's models didn't incorporate that change.

That's what I call a responsive truck mfr.

I have always considered the Mitsu all-wheel duallie my cab-and-chassis of choice for a serious off-road camper.

But none of these are car-like compared to the Sprinter. Apples and oranges.

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Old 01-13-2011, 03:04 AM   #5
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Graphite Dave got me interested in this by his comment. Sorry if this a duplication of the topic.



One reason it caught my eye was that I owned a Utilimaster Aeromate for quite a few years. It was a nice small size walk-in van. The problem with it for my regatta use was that it was based upon a Dodge Caravan 3.0 V6 gas engine. It had no towing capacity to speak of so I never was able to tow my boat. I thought the overall quality of the Utilimaster was pretty good.

One thing I notice right away is the capacity of the announced Isuzu/Utilimaster.

"The foundation of the vanís body-on-frame design will be a heavy-duty Isuzu NPR commercial truck chassis with a GVWR of 12,000 pounds."

I trust Roger, Sailquik will comment on the possible ramifications of that to private owners. I have appreciated his comments in the past.

Anyway, here's a link I found if you're interested.

http://www.isuzucv.com/news/04-10-WI...ease-FINAL.pdf

Have fun. vic
At one time, we had 3 of the Aeromates, great to work out of, but couldn't carry the weight.
We went to a UD 1300 which is close to the Isuzu in size. Good machine, but a lot larger than the Sprinter.
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Old 01-13-2011, 10:09 AM   #6
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At over 10,001 lbs GVW,You would also be subject to the enhanced DOT regulations, if not titled as an RV.

Seems we had a discussion about the consequences a while back about those DOT regs. and they where quite severe.
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I liked this part:

http://www.isuzucv.com/engines/vehiclehealth.html
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Default Re: Isuzu/Utilimaster vehicle a Sprinter replacement?

Seems like really nice technology until the plaintiff's lawyer subpoenas the information to document your history of speeding so he can accuse you of reckless operation in the accident injury to his client. Then again I've been a bit pessimistic over the years. vic

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Old 01-13-2011, 03:46 PM   #9
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Seems like really nice technology until the plaintiff's lawyer subpoenas the information to document your history of speeding so he can accuse you of reckless operation in the accident injury to his client. Then again I've been a bit pessimistic over the years. vic
We sign up for that vulnerability when we buy products and/or elect to work for people that buy those products.

I don't like it, either, but I'd rather have a history of electronic records for analysis of a vehicle than rely on some wingnut to clear DTCs and try to replicate the problem before giving up and charging $150 for a shrug of the shoulders.

That's why my personal cell phone is not a smart phone, but rather "ancient" technology by modern standards.

The only RFID chip I own intentionally is in my passport.

The world's not going to stop just because I dig my heals into the dirt; the world's certainly not going back towards the simple, reliable anything. Hell, even my neighbor's mop has a battery, a tank and an electric squirt pump.

I just try minimize my exposure, to such data leaks. I'm constantly balancing living my life - and making a living - against similar vulnerablities to what you're citing. I do without modern conveniences as long as my aversion to such tech doesn't get in the way making money to pay the bills and fund my retirement.


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Old 01-13-2011, 05:09 PM   #10
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The only RFID chip I own intentionally is in my passport.
...and the one in your Sprinter's key fob.

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