Thor 2014 Siesta 24SA Defect list...

WizBandit

New member
My wife bought this motorhome so we could drive from Tarpon Springs, FL to Boulder, CO with my family to attend my oldest son's wedding in March of 2014. I'm writing you about my experiences both getting the motorhome prepared for the trip and during the trip.

First off I would like to bring your attention to numerous flaws and deficiencies I discovered during the preparation associated with construction.

Flaw-1) All the drawers were constructed with bare, uncoated birch like plywood. Here in Florida the humidity is 99% most of the time and the drawers would not last long. Also they were only stapled together and not glued. The roads we traveled were bumpy as hell and the drawers would not have lasted two trips. The slides were only held on by two screws per side, not enough in my opinion. I glued & varnished all the drawers and added more screws in the slides.

Flaw-2) The plastic DC switch control panel inside the door was screwed on with screws without any finish washers, cracking and breaking off one of the corners. I replaced them with stainless steel screws and finish washers after gluing the corner back on.

Flaw-3) The cubby over the fridge. The video switcher was mounted right in the bottom middle allowing no room hardly for any game console or other video device. I flipped the mounting brackets and mounted it to the ceiling in the cubby allowing plenty of room underneath for electronics. The two outlets in there, one for the microwave and the other on the GFI general AC circuit. I couldn’t figure out why the microwave was plugged into the general outlet until I looked on the breaker cover. The electric water heater was on the same circuit as the microwave. Those two appliances exceed the current rating and trip the breaker if the microwave and water heater are on at the same time. I ran a new wire for the microwave and landed it on it’s own breaker.

Flaw-4) Almost all the Type-F coax connectors on the video cables were installed wrong. Many had the shield fine wires wrapped around the center conductor effectively shorting out the video signal. I’m a retired broadcast engineer so I knew when the TV’s started to flake out what to look for. I re-installed all the connectors in the motorhome.

Flaw-5) The GFI outlet in the bathroom was installed on an extension pushing it out into the leg of anyone using the toilet. Not only was this annoying but anyone with a damp or wet leg would trip the GFI breaker. I removed the extension and flush mounted it, I’m a retired electrician and electronic technician as well.

Flaw-6) The steps bowed down on one side, further investigation discovered a loose 3/8” carriage bolt mounting bolt, tightened and all was then well.

Flaw-7) The rear ladder would bend in the fiberglass back lower section while climbing to the roof. When I decided it needed a support from the frame out to the behind the ladder, I discovered there already was one, mounted 1” away. I loosened the mounting bolt and slid it out to contact the back.

Flaw-8) The generator exhaust tail pipe support was out contacting the fiberglass causing severe vibrations, I loosened it on the tailpipe and slide it back 1/2” and all is well now.

Flaw-9) This is the most serious. While installer connecting the front dash mounted DVD/radio Video denial wire to the emergency brake switch the installers pulled the connectors off the switch disabling the dash EMER BRAKE ON light. When we switched drivers in Texas on the way home the brake was left half on and it seems the emergency brakes no longer function well and the handle pulls all the way up. This needs to be fixed ASAP.

Flaw-10) The cowl under the side door to the right was missing a screw to the frame. I installed a screw and it’s okay now.

Flaw-11) The stereo system was installed with a drill-driver that marred and dug the mounting holes all to hell. I smoothed them out and installed it with better screws. Also the radio didn’t work, the antenna wire was all wrapped up behind the radio, I stretched it down the wall but reception is not very good still.

Flaw-12) The skylight “closed” micro switch was misadjusted. When you closed it the motor would continue to run with click-click-click, I adjusted it and all is well now.

Flaw-13) The flat head screws holding the latches on the storage bay under the bed were not stainless steel and were rusted, ready to run brown lines down the outside wall. I replaced them with stainless steel screws and all is better.

Flaw-14) The outside LED TV mounting screws were all stripped out, the TV fell off during the bouncy drive across Texas. I replaced them with a size larger and stainless steel as well. Seems to be okay now.

Flaw-15) The toilet is mounted about 4” too high, my wife being a short woman, her feet don’t reach the floor while using it.

Flaw-16) The rooftop TV antenna is mounted too close to the rooftop AC unit. The installation instructions require more than the 1 foot or so for proper operation. Does anyone read these installation instructions? AIR TV reception sucks.

Flaw-17) battery box step latch came off, screws were stripped out. Replaced with stainless screws one size larger.

Flaw-18) The bathroom door has no stop on it, it opens about 3/4” from the mirror on the built-in armoire. A good swing and it could put the doorknob right through the mirror.

Flaw-19) 12v light switches screwed into 1/8” paneling didn’t last long. I glued 3/8” plywood backing behind any switch I found this way. All switches are nice and solid now and won’t fall out.

Flaw-20) While on my back underneath the motorhome I observed numerous areas of the steel motorhome support frame were rusted from being unpainted. Some around the storage bays below the bottom edge of the bay doors especially. The black iron LPG manifold really needs a coat of paint, it is all rusty. My last project for this motorhome is to touch-up paint the rusted supports underneath.

Flaw-21) The storage bay door latch under the outside LED TV has two broken screws in an attempt to secure the latch. There is one screw holding this latch on and it’s the wrong type of “zip screw”. I will need to drill out and install two proper screws.

Flaw-22) During our stay in Golden, CO the temperature dropped to 17 degrees that night, when the kids which we let stay in the master bed decided to get some fresh air in the middle of the night by opening the window a crack, that allowed freezing cold air to blow in from under the slide-out living/dining room. It seems something outside needs to be better sealed up.

*** UPDATED JUNE/2014 ***

FLAW-23) The power went out completely. Found burned wire nuts on the auto-transfer relay mounted in the far rear passenger side tool bay. Seems the relay came with ultra-fine stranded 6" whips which were attached to #10 AWG solid wires from the genset and standard fine stranded wire on the shore power cord using wire nuts. Not good, ultra-fine stranded wire requires crimp connectors and this is why. They loosen and arc and burn.

FLAW-24) Very bad, while camping in North Fort Myers, FL at an RV park with NO TREES out in the direct sun the inside of the RV got up to 101 degrees WITH THE AC RUNNING FULL TILT. Outside temp was around 95 degrees in the shade, which there was none. I suspected the whole front fibreglas overhang was lacking insulation but I never thought that there would be NO INSULATION AT ALL, just bare fibreglas. While in Boulder, CO in March we had a 17 degree morning and I got top bunk, with my feet pressed all the way front my toes were almost frostbit. I just last week took all the inside plastic panels out and insulated the whole front section. The AC works much better now even in the direct sun.

FLAW-25) The seal above the slide was stapled to a 6ft strip of wood which lasted only 4 or 5 retracts before it folded under and ripped off letting much heat in from the 1" gap above the slide. I glued a 6.5' piece of 3/4" foam pipe insulation on the sldie and it makes an air-tight seal now. I still get some air from under the slide from the open ends of the slide channel outside under the slide but two 5" pieces of pool-noodles jammed in there after the slide is out seals it nicely. It's a hassle to do it every time but works for now.

The Parking brakes are gone completely and I need to get the shoes replaced soon. This was due to the installer putting in the new indash DVD player trying to hook up the DVD denial wire to the parking brake switch, they pulled the wires off the switch and left them under the carpet. When we switched drivers on our first trip my son left the parking brake half on. The Mercedes Diesel has more than enough power to burn off those brakes.

The stock horn was whimpy so I installed a complete air system and a real air horn under the hood. boy is it LOUD but hey, it gets the buzzards out of the road FAST!

I have spent a lot of time tweeking our new RV, added a 5.1 home theater system, network and a 4TB Hard drive NAS system loaded with movies. I put an outlet on the side of the stove to plug in the toaster & coffee pot & Blender. I added and outlet by the front door with an LED night lite to lite up the stairs in the dark and lets you see the loft ladder in the night.

I added a 1500 Inverter and split the buss on the RV 120V breaker box with half on the inverter and the rest on shore power (The A/C, Electric water heater and Microwave need more than 1500W to run so they are not on the inverter)

The inverter lets us run the AC outlets and fridge on AC power while driving or without shore power. This lets us use standard power supplies on our laptop and Ion filter fan while driving as well.
 
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Old Crows

Calypso 2014 View Profile
And now you know that RVs are supplied as a kit..... Some assembly required!


Welcome! We had a Thor built 4Winds Ventura Class B. It was very well put together and there were no issues. A "sister" unit, identical except for color, was loaded with deficiencies and crappy workmanship. It's the luck of the draw, I think.. Thor seems to have a QA/QC problem. I'm sure you don't find that kind of shoddy workmanship on their top line Class As.

The burned wiring looks unsafe and a hazard! Maybe contact NHTSA? RVIA? I'd boost those pics and a letter off to the President of Thor.... Maybe include a copy of the latest article on GMs ignition switch debacle that outlines the irresponsible and deficient management oversight prevalent in the company.

As with all RVs, owners are always on a quest to add on, modify, adjust, improve, delete, and re-engineer their rigs. They are a rolling work in progress.... a house on wheels you pour your $$$ into. OTH, they can be a lot of fun!
 
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OkieNAz

Randy
Thanks for the tip on the missing insulation at the front of the RV. Our RV has an entertainment system rather than the bed over the cab. When I open the doors of the entertainment system, it's about like opening an oven door to let the oven cool. I just checked, our RV does not have any insulation in that area also. : (

Do you have a good air supply from the front vents? We only have a "whisper" of air coming from the front vents in our RV. I just figured out that problem. I'll have it on my list in a bit.
 

muddypaws911

New member
Looks to me like Thor would not be the best choice to purchase. Knowing all this is going on why do people buy? I don't see these problems on the Winnebago units.
 

OkieNAz

Randy
Well, we were first time buyers. Looked around at various RV's from many different companies. We fell for the hype of a 200 point inspection, well known brand name, great looking RV on a Mercedes chassis. What could go wrong? Wellllll, we are certainly finding out.

The Thor is a very well designed RV. But the manufacturing execution is very poor.
 

Famaro

New member
WizBandit: Thank you for posting these flaws. We just filled out the application on a 2013 SA and I now having second thoughts...... I understand owning an RV one must be a handy man, but we should not have to settle for unsafe and unacceptable work. These units are not cheap in cost, but appear to be cheap builds. How easy is it to remove the plastic panels in the front overhang? Did you buy this unit new and if so, have you contacted the dealer or thor on these flaws?
 

Focusail

Focusail
I bought a 2013 Siesta 24 SR in January this year. I also had problems. On fist trip we had the water pump leaking. I called Thor and they wanted me to drive 175 miles out of the way to get it replaced. I told them I would just put a bilge pump in-ha. I did go to local boat store- no RV store around and replaced the pump.
On recent trip we had terrible TV reception. I called Thor and they told me no one had complained before of the Winegard omnidirectional antenna. I checked the cable connectors and they were poorly installed. After reading above I will check all connections. My antenna is mounted next to the Air conditioner so I may move the antenna. I replaced my antenna in my last motor home with the Jack antenna and got 13 stations in my drive way. I only get 5 now.
I agree also with the stereo. I will replace that antenna too.
 

Focusail

Focusail
Ohhhh. Just to report. I am happy with my Siesta. There are some more issues but I think I can fix. I just returned from 3,000 mile trip and most things I am happy with.
 

OkieNAz

Randy
Ohhhh. Just to report. I am happy with my Siesta. There are some more issues but I think I can fix. I just returned from 3,000 mile trip and most things I am happy with.
Glad to hear at least someone out there has not been having so many issues. That tells me they can do a good job at the factory. There's hope afterall. :smilewink:
 

Sarmeier

New member
Another workmanship "defect" covered with my Siesta. The wiring for the black tank level sensors was routed through the spare tire lowering mechanism. If I had tried to lower the tire the wiring would have been cut or the sensors pulled off the tank. Might want to check yours. I also have found numerous stripped self tapping screws. Electric screw guns in careless under trained assembly workers are a hazard!
 

WizBandit

New member
Can you walk me though removing the top bunk headliner?
Sorry, shortly after getting this RV I came out of retirement and took a full time work at home job. I didn't have notifications on so I missed this. Do you still need advise? It was a bitch to get the 3 pieces out, seems they screwed all three together and installed it as one piece. It won't come out that way as it hits the cabinets. I had to reach over and take out the screws they used to couple the 3 sections together. Once I did that it came out in 3 sections easy to manage.
 

OkieNAz

Randy
Thanks,

I actually had Thor add insulation in the front when it was returned in 2014.

Since then, we have retired and have spent about 350 days in the RV in the last three years.
I changed out the noise water pump last fall. Works like a charm.

I did take another tour of the Elkhart assembly operation last September when we were on vacation in Ind. The place looked a lot worse than it did in my tour in 2014. Still could see things that were not right as we walked through the line. So sad.

We just had J&L RV Repair in Fontana Calif beef up the soft floor. Every place we stepped kept getting softer and softer. They reinforced the floor from the bottom side (I did not want to have another piece of something placed on top of the present floor. That looked like it would be a real mess. Reinforcing the floor from the bottom got the floor back to about 90% of what it was when new. I think the sponge feel that we notice now is the Styrofoam collapsing between the thin top and bottom layers of the original Thor floor. It's light weight, but I guess that Thor doesn't expect anyone to use the RV as much as we have. : (

J&L could not beef up the bathroom area from the bottom due to the black tank in the way. So I added some 12 mm flooring on top of the floor, just today. It looks good and is about 95% as good as new.

Hope you are doing well.

Okie N AZ , moving to Tenn. Guess I will have to change it to OkieNTenn soon. : )
 

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