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Old 09-28-2019, 01:25 AM   #1
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Hi all,

I should introduce myself.

My name is patrick, i live just outside Boston. Iím a custom cabinet maker by trade and plan to completely do up my new van. It will be overtime as and not right away as I donít do anything half way so I assume itís gong to cost me the price of a few black market organs.

Iíll get started come spring time.

Till then Iím trying to figure out the exact bolt pattern and offset of the wheels on the 2019 4x4 as I have brand new 285/75/16 Duratracs on my outgoing vehicle. They are on procomp 6089 and they have a six bolt pattern and I believe a 130mm offset.

Itís gonna be pushing it to stuff these tires on the vehicle factory stock. At the least I want to save them for post fox 2Ē lift. If the rims have he same bolt pattern though Iíd like to swap them out now if I can. If not then new rims and shocks come spring.

I got my van pretty loaded 10.25 MBUX. Someone told me anything over 265/75/16 will screw with my adaptive cruise and navigation system.

Can anybody help me with the above two questions?

I hope to have some fun around here now that I own this van.
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Old 09-28-2019, 06:47 PM   #2
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Probably don't have 130mm offset. Offset is the measurement from mounting surface to the middle of the rim. I think you're referring to the 6x130mm bolt pattern, and that is correct. Stock offset is somewhere around 58-62mm, depending on which stock rim you got, steel or alloy. Aftermarket offset is usually in the 50s to the 30s, the 30s sticking further out. From everything I've read, 285s will not fit a stock 4x4, and 285/75s are pushing 33", and I've read the same as you with respect to tires above 32-point-something causing GPS-related problems. I'm in the same boat as you, but waiting on my van to arrive in about a week. I keep looking here regularly to try to gain some wisdom from other people's experiences, but it looks like maybe there just aren't that many 2019s yet getting major suspension upgrades.
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:27 PM   #3
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Congrats on the new van.

I fell into this whole thing very last minute and pretty much by mistake.

I had been needing a new vehicle and on the fence between a pickup and van.

Pretty much I had come down to the choices knowing the van was the best for me as a contractor but least attractive as a daily driver.

Out of left field my employer told me he was closing shop but wanted to sub contact me his work moving forward. Who knows what that will look like but to date he has had piles and piles of work. He can’t seem to turn a profit though so who is to say I can with him subcontracting me the work. The other option is go get a job in another shop or doing finish work and honestly neither is attractive to me.

Point being I had to rush out and take a loan while I had a verifiable source of income. I sure as heck didn’t see myself spending $60 plus on a vehicle but you know I just couldn’t get myself to buy a transit. If I did purchase something other than a sprinter it was going to be a Tacoma TRD Pro. That vehicle being $40K vrs $60 but leaving me limited as a cabinet maker.

So here I am. My intent as a cabinet maker is to find a nitche within the outfitter community to supplement making Uber high end kitchens, built ins, libraries along with occasion retail and institutional fixtures and displays using my own van as a showpiece. You know get out and travel so people see it, go to the expos so forth and so on.

For now I just want to get the terrible stock tires off the vehicle. I must say the van drives a dream and I couldn’t be more happy with my purchase other than it having had been a 170” that I could not source in 4x4 on the fly.

I wish I knew exactly what it meant when it was suggested anything over 32” will interfere with the nav and active cruise. Specifically because you know if even after I put the 2” Van Compass lift on I still can’t run the 275/85/16 tires I have from my old truck I might as well forgo the headache of swapping out tires before donating the vehicle and just buy new 265/75/16’s and be done with it.

I will be very very disappointed if I can’t run at least 33’s though. The van is gonna be very wimpy on 32’s..

I guess we get to be pioneers lol...



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Probably don't have 130mm offset. Offset is the measurement from mounting surface to the middle of the rim. I think you're referring to the 6x130mm bolt pattern, and that is correct. Stock offset is somewhere around 58-62mm, depending on which stock rim you got, steel or alloy. Aftermarket offset is usually in the 50s to the 30s, the 30s sticking further out. From everything I've read, 285s will not fit a stock 4x4, and 285/75s are pushing 33", and I've read the same as you with respect to tires above 32-point-something causing GPS-related problems. I'm in the same boat as you, but waiting on my van to arrive in about a week. I keep looking here regularly to try to gain some wisdom from other people's experiences, but it looks like maybe there just aren't that many 2019s yet getting major suspension upgrades.

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Old 09-30-2019, 05:30 PM   #4
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iit takes considerable amount of trimming to fit on a stock vs30 with no lift for a 285/75-16 and not rub at all
I have the agile fender clearance panels and it helps a good bit.

There is no need to be a pioneer.
It wont work on the active nav because there is a GPS speed sensor and wheel speed sensor. with the 33" it is too far out of sync to be in limits and wont let you doit
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:59 AM   #5
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Grant thanks for responding,

Now Iím really confused. I called up the service department where I purchased my van today. They have two full time sprinter techs on hand at all times.

I was told as stated here that 265/75/16 was the biggest I could go without having issues. I was however told that if I wanted to go bigger I could but that they would have to do some reprogramming so that everything would work. I was quoted one hour of labor to do the reprogramming.

They also requested they mount and balance the new tires onto the rims.

Has anyone else been told such by a dealer. Iím inclined to to think they would not suggest doing all this unless they knew they could.

But you know Iíd also be surprised to find out Iím the first one to figure this out with the dealer.

So what say you?




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iit takes considerable amount of trimming to fit on a stock vs30 with no lift for a 285/75-16 and not rub at all
I have the agile fender clearance panels and it helps a good bit.

There is no need to be a pioneer.
It wont work on the active nav because there is a GPS speed sensor and wheel speed sensor. with the 33" it is too far out of sync to be in limits and wont let you doit
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Would be cool if they did! Let us know!
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Old 10-01-2019, 03:34 PM   #7
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Grant thanks for responding,

Now I’m really confused. I called up the service department where I purchased my van today. They have two full time sprinter techs on hand at all times.

I was told as stated here that 265/75/16 was the biggest I could go without having issues.
One thing to be careful of with these New Sprinters. If anything fails or has issues from Transmissions to suspension to whatever MB can blame on alterations... Your warranty in that particular area my be voided. If work was performed by dealer then no worries.

Through my 35 plus years working for Toyota, Lexus, Honda and Acura. I have witness many warranty claims denied due to installation of certain aftermarket applications. Including certain over sized and or extreme offset wheel and tire packages.

For instance...Put a lift kit and go 4 sizes up on tires then your wheel bearings start growling, transmission fails or propeller shafts start going bad. Doubt very seriously MB will repair it under warranty

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One thing to be careful of with these New Sprinters. If anything fails or has issues from Transmissions to suspension to whatever MB can blame on alterations... Your warranty in that particular area my be voided. If work was performed by dealer then no worries.

Through my 35 plus years working for Toyota, Lexus, Honda and Acura. I have witness many warranty claims denied due to installation of certain aftermarket applications. Including certain over sized and or extreme offset wheel and tire packages.

For instance...Put a lift kit and go 4 sizes up on tires then your wheel bearings start growling, transmission fails or propeller shafts start going bad. Doubt very seriously MB will repair it under warranty
Not totally disagreeing, but GM agreed to rebuild transmissions under warranty in both the wifes yukon with a ecm/tcm tune and my silverado with larger tires and tune. I say agreed because we ended up having the dealer replace the wife's transmission instead of rebuilding after the extended warranty company agreed to pay for it.

I can't say i wasn't worried, but no questions asked by either dealer. Both also failed for different reasons. I'm pretty positive the wifes was a torque converter and i know mine had a retraining ring fail.

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Not totally disagreeing, but GM agreed to rebuild transmissions under warranty in both the wifes yukon with a ecm/tcm tune and my silverado with larger tires and tune. I say agreed because we ended up having the dealer replace the wife's transmission instead of rebuilding after the extended warranty company agreed to pay for it.

I can't say i wasn't worried, but no questions asked by either dealer. Both also failed for different reasons. I'm pretty positive the wifes was a torque converter and i know mine had a retraining ring fail.
Just over sized probably not. But going large and altering vehicle to make fit. That is a different story. Some dealers need the work and money and will turn a blind eye. But...a MB Sprinter. Not a GM or Ford product. They have a high transmission failure rate anyhow.

Like I said...MB will look for ANY reason to decline honoring a warranty.
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Just over sized probably not. But going large and altering vehicle to make fit. That is a different story. Some dealers need the work and money and will turn a blind eye. But...a MB Sprinter. Not a GM or Ford product. They have a high transmission failure rate anyhow.

Like I said...MB will look for ANY reason to decline honoring a warranty.

It is lifted, but I get your point. It's unfortunate if MB is denying claims for something like that.
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