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Old 09-16-2019, 01:49 PM   #11
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Just curious if anyone has tried using the new 'silent' fuel pump with and old D2? Might be worth a try? I can live with the fan noise inside the van, but if I could get rid of the clicking outside, that would be a win.
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Old 09-17-2019, 05:38 PM   #12
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Keep in mind that's the older noisy model without the high altitude feature. The newer S2 D2L model has high altitude support built-in, is quieter and has a simpler wiring harness. https://www.butlertechnik.com/vehicl...12000007-p2759
I need to purchase a D2 Espar heater and just realized from your post that there is this newer version - Espar S2 D2L. I am wondering whether any one has installed this version and can give a recommendation? Sounds nice that the wiring is easier and the high altitude sensor is built-in. Also, I am trying to determine if the controller (802) that comes with it, is the "easy start version" that with the D2 everyone says to get?
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:00 PM   #13
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I need to purchase a D2 Espar heater and just realized from your post that there is this newer version - Espar S2 D2L. I am wondering whether any one has installed this version and can give a recommendation? Sounds nice that the wiring is easier and the high altitude sensor is built-in. Also, I am trying to determine if the controller (802) that comes with it, is the "easy start version" that with the D2 everyone says to get?
I have the "old" version (installed summer of 2018). The newer version is better/nicer but more expensive ("The new Airtronic S2-D2L is equipped with automatic altitude adjustment standard*. The "L" in the new S2-D2L stands for long-life motor. The new brushless motor has extended service life to 5000 hours. This motor, a modern control system and the use of the latest metering pump technology also improve the acoustics.").

The new version's remote controllers use CAN bus signaling (Controller Area Network), which significantly reduces the obtuse complexity of the wiring harness (for the old version) and makes it possible to easily retrofit other/additional controllers without changing wiring. (It is more or less an "Ethernet for vehicle infrastructure" technology, without it being compatible with Ethernet in any way whatsoever). The controllers for the new version are not compatible with the old version (and vice versa).

The old version is still in distribution channels and apparently can be had for less than it was when it was the only option. I bet the price of the old version will stabilize at a level that represents the marginal decrease in value of that version compared with the new.

Based on what I have heard to date about the new version, I personally would buy the new version over the old version if I hadn't just installed the old version (with a high altitude kit) about a year ago.
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Old 09-17-2019, 06:34 PM   #14
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Do you think the Easy Start PRO controller is a necessary addition?
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:07 PM   #15
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Do you think the Easy Start PRO controller is a necessary addition?
The "built-in control units" page at Eberspacher only shows the "EasyStart Pro" controller https://www.eberspacher.com/products...rol-units.html. The "remote control" page shows only the "EasyStart Web" https://www.eberspacher.com/products...-controls.html. Those seem to be the only two options for a control unit for the S2 D2L Airtronic heaters. Unfortunately for those of us who are in the USA, the EasyStart Web uses cellular radio communications that according to Eberspacher are limited to European mobile networks. Up to two control units can be on the same CANbus as the S2 D2L, but in a Sprinter van probably one EasyStart Pro is sufficient.

You need a controller for the heater, so yes, it looks like the EasyStart Pro controller is a necessary addition to an S2 D2L Airtronic heater.

[Added: I looked more closely at Butler Technik page selling the S2 D2L heater and now see the "802" model controller shown in the pictures. That is an old style controller (not CANbus) so it would only work if the new model heater includes the ability to be controlled in the old style; I don't know the answer to that question (yet). However, the "802" is definitely not an EasyStart Pro controller.]
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Old 09-17-2019, 07:42 PM   #16
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The Eberspacher website seems to be silent as to the "802" controller; it looks a lot like the 801/DigiMax D-1000 controller ("modulator"), however (which is what I have for my heater). This suggests that either the S2 D2L is backwards compatible with an old-style controller [which it turns out it is], and/or the "802" is a limited functionality CANbus controller that is not being represented on the Eberspacher product pages (probably not but I don't know). Butler Technik is certainly selling the 802 as the default controller in their S2 D2L package, so it is almost certainly compatible one way or the other.

Although the 802 appears to have the diagnostic readout capability, it doesn't have the timer functions and other bells and whistles (like a bigger display) of the EasyStart Pro.

This detail from Butler Technik provides some additional information about the multiple control interfaces on the S2 D2L (it IS backwards compatible with old controllers, but the new controllers are not backwards compatible with the old heaters), as well as the added functionality of the new CANbus-based EasyStart Pro that you may be interested in:

"CAN, LIN & S+
The new Airtronic S2 includes Eberspacher CAN bus technology, giving users the opportunity to operate the unit via CAN-based controllers like the EasyStart PRO and EasyStart Web. The EasyStart PRO has many advantages including, Timers, Text-based fault readouts and external temperature sensing. The LIN interface is for previous generation EasyStart Controllers like the EasyStart Remote+ and EasyStart Select. The S+ interface can be used when the user wants to use a mini-controller or other Eberspacher analog switching source."

I personally would probably opt for the EasyStart Pro "upgrade" (over the default 802) at the $115 cost increase (assuming that is US$) if I were buying from Butler Technik and installing the system in my van.
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Old 09-25-2019, 03:50 AM   #17
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Thanks for the heads up Dynaco! D2 Kit purchased 9/17 arrived exactly one week later. $600 total. Now where's the van....
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Old 09-26-2019, 03:50 AM   #18
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D2 arrived today via US Mail, eleven days after I ordered from Russia.
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Old 10-14-2019, 01:59 PM   #19
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Got the heater up and running in two days. All the parts I needed were included; plenty of spare fasteners. Mounted under swiveling passenger seat.

This time, I utilized a few short-cuts to save time and eliminate hassles:

Unsure who's great idea this was (THANKS!).....I replaced the mini fuse block from the kit with a Blue Sea 5045 small fuse block. The very short main 12AWG feeder from F150 terminal block under driver seat, back-feeds the bus via a 25A fuse. Main power to D2 harness is fused with 20A and control wire to D2 harness is fused with 5A (fused per the Espar diagram).

Fuse block was fastened to the inside of seat pedestal with 3M tape. This fuse block is now is more easily accessible through the removable plastic service panel on the right side of passenger seat pedestal.

The Easy Start Select controller/thermostat uses only three specific wires (red, blue/white, brown) which were joined with aftermarket crimp connectors. The brown/white and red/white are crimped together. The larger white Ancor duplex cable is not related to the Espar.
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Old 10-26-2019, 07:17 AM   #20
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Following this thread and several others, I found and ordered the newer 2019 version S2 D2L from Melloronline UK:

https://www.melloronline.co.uk/Vehic...D_Ducting.html

I ordered the 12V kit with muffler, internal bracket, and the EasyStartPro controller for ~723GBP (incl. a shipping fee), which converts to ~$928, via Paypal.

Will report back when I receive everything.

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