Sprinter-Forum    
 

Go Back   Sprinter-Forum > NCV3 Sprinters > NCV3 Talk

NCV3 Talk General Discussions related to NCV3 Sprinters.


 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-05-2016, 01:56 PM   #1
Aqua Puttana
Poly - Thread Finder
 
Aqua Puttana's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: The Falls of Niagara, USA
Posts: 24,779
Thanks: 12,657
Thanked 13,920 Times in 8,848 Posts
Default Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

Thanks goes to Noblemercedes.

Official Information from Mercedes.

NCV3 OM642 V6 Engine

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mercedes Document
NOTE: The clean air line seal to the turbocharger must be replaced each time the connection is
released. Deformed or damaged boots must also be replaced.
The original thread is here.

Turbo inlet seal bulletin

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48553

906intake seal bulletin.pdf

vic

A MB tip for proper installation. Thanks goes to Mikeme.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeme View Post
"the seal needs to be worked into place into the female plastic part"

This, I think was the source of my problem. [Seal dislodged and damaged turbo.]

I got my hands on some (probably bootleg) MB tech data, and there is a note:

The sealing ring must be inserted into the air intake hose first, to ensure that the sealing ring is not crushed. Parts of the crushed sealing ring may otherwise be sucked into the compressor wheel of the turbocharger severely damaged.
The raw text from the PDF above.

"Date: April 6, 2013
Order No.: V-B-09.00/01
Supersedes:
Group: 09
SUBJECT: MY-All, Model 906 with Engine 642
Operations in Clean Air Line Area
When working around or in the clean air line area, or when replacing it, the seals and boots for the
clean air line must be checked for damage or incorrect mounting.
Damaged mounting can lead to:
• Engine diagnosis warning lamp lights up
• Engine has low output, switches to limp-home, emits blue smoke
• Damage to turbocharger
• Engine damage

NOTE: The clean air line seal to the turbocharger must be replaced each time the connection is
released. Deformed or damaged boots must also be replaced.
Incorrect mounting will result in complaints about engine running characteristics.
Under certain circumstances, damaged or deformed seals on the clean air line can allow dirt and
foreign matter in and damage the engine.
The specified torque of 3Nm for mounting the clean air line to the compressor section of the
turbocharger must be followed. In the event of a complaint, check the seals and boots of the clean
air line for correct seating and signs of damage. Always document these instances with pictures.
Warranty and goodwill claims for engine damage that has been caused by incorrect mounting of
the clean air line, will be rejected.
When working on a vehicle where the clean air line/air filter box needs to be moved, do not rotate
the clean air assembly while affixed to the turbocharge. This will damage the seal on the
turbocharger. Ensure that the clean air assembly is removed completely."
This bulletin has been created and maintained in accordance with MBUSA-SLP S423QH001, Document and Data Control, and
MBUSA-SLP S424HH001, Control of Quality Records
__________________
DAD NAS (N. Amer. Spec) 2004 140 2500 >330,000+ mi. Arctic Whitewash Brush-tone Grey
2006 Freightliner 140 2500HC >183,000+ mi. Arctic Whitewash (Spotted Snow Leopard accents)
"My opinion and worth everything you'll never pay for it." assumed.
Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. Publilius Syrus
"There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't." HaWiiLuVeR
16 ounces of unnecessary prevention can be worth a pound of manure.

Last edited by Aqua Puttana; 05-12-2018 at 11:44 AM. Reason: PM
Aqua Puttana is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Aqua Puttana For This Useful Post:
ahalee84 (08-09-2016), CoLin1986 (06-25-2017), ebear (06-15-2018), hoosierrun (10-03-2018), Ivos (09-08-2017), miskolci (05-22-2017), Neil2 (11-19-2017)
Old 07-08-2016, 03:01 AM   #2
Jchirchirillo
JChirchirillo
 
Jchirchirillo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: NJ-USA
Posts: 677
Thanks: 205
Thanked 98 Times in 70 Posts
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

Really sad when you get this important info here rather then from the source..
Jchirchirillo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Jchirchirillo For This Useful Post:
Winterbagoal (01-03-2019)
Old 07-08-2016, 07:25 AM   #3
Tooth Fairy
Away with the fairies.
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Melbourne AU
Posts: 1,656
Thanks: 515
Thanked 677 Times in 452 Posts
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jchirchirillo View Post
Really sad when you get this important info here rather then from the source..
Yes and no, at least you get it, not like the olden days before the internet......
__________________
Current ride
Ford Territory reliability, full time 4x4, 6 speed auto, 2.7L V6 Diesel Durotech, 8.5 litres per 100 kilometers.

Previous vehicles.
2002 Ford F250 Super Duty (excellent for 13 years from new)
2004 Mercedes T1N 316 (secondhand ex ambulance)
2011 Mercedes Vito 115 (secondhand ex police camera vehicle)
2011 Mercedes NCV3 316 cab chassis 4x4 (secondhand absolute piece of sh!t, I hope it burns in hell)
Tooth Fairy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-08-2016, 03:49 PM   #4
Boxster1971
2012 Sprinter 3500 Ext
 
Boxster1971's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Laurel, MD
Posts: 1,834
Thanks: 711
Thanked 838 Times in 582 Posts
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tooth Fairy View Post
Yes and no, at least you get it, not like the olden days before the internet......
But the vehicles "before the Internet" where also less complex.
__________________
-- Mike
2012 Sprinter 3500 EXT Airstream Interstate
Boxster1971 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Boxster1971 For This Useful Post:
Bobnoxious (07-30-2016), Dr. Soot (04-11-2017)
Old 07-08-2016, 09:23 PM   #5
Tooth Fairy
Away with the fairies.
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Melbourne AU
Posts: 1,656
Thanks: 515
Thanked 677 Times in 452 Posts
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxster1971 View Post
But the vehicles "before the Internet" where also less complex.
True.
__________________
Current ride
Ford Territory reliability, full time 4x4, 6 speed auto, 2.7L V6 Diesel Durotech, 8.5 litres per 100 kilometers.

Previous vehicles.
2002 Ford F250 Super Duty (excellent for 13 years from new)
2004 Mercedes T1N 316 (secondhand ex ambulance)
2011 Mercedes Vito 115 (secondhand ex police camera vehicle)
2011 Mercedes NCV3 316 cab chassis 4x4 (secondhand absolute piece of sh!t, I hope it burns in hell)
Tooth Fairy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-19-2017, 04:26 PM   #6
Neil2
Neil
 
Neil2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 496
Thanks: 218
Thanked 70 Times in 53 Posts
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

True that. A firm that actually had good owner service (www) would get my loyalty. Was just trying to view/price a MOPAR EGR tube and it was exasperating on their site.
__________________
[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Neil

2007 2500 SH Passenger 144" Sprinter (Bessie)
Neil2 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 07-13-2016, 05:03 PM   #7
CaptainKraemer
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 11
Thanks: 0
Thanked 5 Times in 1 Post
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

Cheers to Noble Mercedes!! :)
CaptainKraemer is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to CaptainKraemer For This Useful Post:
ahalee84 (08-09-2016), Aqua Puttana (11-21-2016), Neil2 (11-19-2017), noblemercedes (07-13-2016), TooMuchHair (11-16-2016)
Old 11-11-2016, 07:35 PM   #8
cevans
 
cevans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 50
Thanks: 8
Thanked 40 Times in 22 Posts
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

Great information.

For reference the part numbers for this seal are:
0179970445 for 2007-2010
0000940051 for 2010+

Easiest way to tell is that early models had a red seal late models have a black one.
__________________
Corey@IDParts (dot) com - Fighting against leaking oil cooler seals!
Manager of Mercedes & Sprinter Parts @ IDParts.com - 888-444-7951
Sprinter Maintenance Service Kits / Sprinter Brake Sets / Sprinter NCV3 Oil Cooler Seal Kits
cevans is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to cevans For This Useful Post:
CoLin1986 (06-25-2017), TooMuchHair (02-13-2017)
Old 11-11-2016, 09:25 PM   #9
auburnbuilder
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 233
Thanks: 13
Thanked 55 Times in 36 Posts
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

Be careful to use the correct seal, see below:

This seal is orange in color and was used from 2007 to approximately 7/30/2010 It is designed to be used in the plastic intake hoses labeled 906 528 02 24 and 906 528 15 24. The black seal shown below is for 7/31/2010 and ONLY fits later hoses which are labeled 906 528 22 24.
auburnbuilder is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to auburnbuilder For This Useful Post:
Aqua Puttana (11-11-2016), CoLin1986 (06-25-2017), HighPockets (11-27-2016), lowprofile (02-27-2017), Sparkx (08-02-2017), TooMuchHair (02-13-2017)
Old 11-12-2016, 04:10 PM   #10
BobLLL
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Pacific Northwest, USA
Posts: 534
Thanks: 131
Thanked 188 Times in 134 Posts
Default Re: Noblemercedes warning: Change Turbo Inlet Seal every time disturbed

The 7/2010 change date published by MB is not entirely accurate. My 2011 model was built in 10/2010 and has the 906 528 15 24 hose and the orange seal. I tried one of the newer black seals, and sure enough, it did not fit well in the intake hose. So, the safest thing is to match the seal to the intake hose number, at least if you have a 2010 or 2011.

Also, I bought a small bicycle-style torque wrench so I could apply exactly the specified torque of 3Nm to the hose clamp on the turbo seal. That turned out to be a lot tighter than I expected it to be.

I am being especially careful about this turbo seal thing, because the intake hose came loose from the turbo about 3,000 miles after the first time the fuel filter was changed, by a MB dealer, at my first 10k service. Fortunately there was no damage to turbo. The seal looked fine, too. The van just suddenly lost power.

That tech was the only person to have touched anything under the hood before this happened (other than me checking the oil), so he must not have installed or tightened the seal correctly after the filter change. So, if a tech didn't get it right, it seems like we all need to be careful.
__________________
Bob
2011 Roadtrek SS Agile
BobLLL is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to BobLLL For This Useful Post:
Aqua Puttana (11-21-2016), HighPockets (11-27-2016), sprint2freedom (03-28-2017)

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 08:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.