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Old 04-17-2018, 05:41 PM   #11
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I ultimately went with Adventure Wagon's Moab bed system because, like you, I'm using my van primarily for hauling moto to and from places to ride. I wanted a bed system I can use for storage while en-route while also accommodating my bikes and also be lowered to a reasonable sleeping height. Nothing else on the market that I could find that can do all of that.

The price is incredibly steep for the bed system but it is also incredibly well built, so at least you're getting a quality system. As if the bed wasn't expensive enough, you have to buy the wall bracers separately, which adds another $1000 for a 170. However, they do have a couple unique features that I think make them worthwhile (besides being very stout). They are laser cut to match the curved radius of the van. In addition, they have tabs at the top, middle and bottom, to slide your 1/4" wall panels into. The three tabs force the wall panel to follow the curved radius of the bracer (and therefore van walls) without having to directly fasten the panel to the wall, which results in a cleaner fit and finish IMHO.



The one unexpected consequence of the Moab bed is a newfound addiction to bamboo plywood. I bought a bunch after seeing how Adventure Wagon uses it in their bed. Really great, versatile material to work with, and good looking too.

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Old 04-17-2018, 08:46 PM   #12
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I ultimately went with Adventure Wagon's Moab bed system because, like you, I'm using my van primarily for hauling moto to and from places to ride. I wanted a bed system I can use for storage while en-route while also accommodating my bikes and also be lowered to a reasonable sleeping height. Nothing else on the market that I could find that can do all of that.

The price is incredibly steep for the bed system but it is also incredibly well built, so at least you're getting a quality system. As if the bed wasn't expensive enough, you have to buy the wall bracers separately, which adds another $1000 for a 170. However, they do have a couple unique features that I think make them worthwhile (besides being very stout). They are laser cut to match the curved radius of the van. In addition, they have tabs at the top, middle and bottom, to slide your 1/4" wall panels into. The three tabs force the wall panel to follow the curved radius of the bracer (and therefore van walls) without having to directly fasten the panel to the wall, which results in a cleaner fit and finish IMHO.



The one unexpected consequence of the Moab bed is a newfound addiction to bamboo plywood. I bought a bunch after seeing how Adventure Wagon uses it in their bed. Really great, versatile material to work with, and good looking too.
Thanks for that informative review. It was very tempting until you mentioned the extra $1k part which prior to knowing that I was hard pressed to justify. Seems very well built and engineered. I wonder why more folks aren’t using the HappiJac option? The only disadvantage I see is that once mounted it’d be unlikely you’d remove it.

I’m also near Seattle. Wouldn’t mind checking your van out at some point if convenient for you.

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Old 04-17-2018, 09:49 PM   #13
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I have some of the same requirements and had the same dilemma, trying to decide between the Happi-Jack and the MOAB beds.

I really wanted to use the HappiJack due to just being able to easily raise the bed all the way to the ceiling, with a touch of a button, whenever hauling motos and also during the day, it would be great to have it up at the ceiling and have the whole rear of the van available as a workshop and seating space during the day, all without having to store bedding or put away/make up a bed each day. But the installation was going to be kind of difficult, and due to the bed arms needing to be at 90-degrees to the floor, it would limit the width-space in the rear, by a significant factor. I've see one install that I really liked, where the bed would raise up and almost disappear, leaving a cool couch set-up underneath for lounging during the day. But they blocked off the back doors to accomplish that, which wouldn't work for me. I saw another install where they hacked a bunch of 2x4's to build the frame for the arms, but I cringed at the finished product. I just didn't want to lose all that space for the arms. If there was a way to create some type of system where the arms could follow the curve of the sprinter, I would be all over that, but it's just not something I want to try to engineer.

So, the next best thing is the MOAB bed. But the fatal flaw with that, well aside from the cost, which I think is mostly justified, after looking at all those high-end materials, is that you really need a second set of rails to be able to easily move the whole bed up during the day. Otherwise, you have to completely remove the bedding, mattress, pillows, three bed sections, etc., figure out where to put all that stuff temporarily, un-thread the bolts of the rails, move them up, thread the bolts back on, heft the three bed sections, bedding, etc., back up, and repeat the process again at night. But the extra set of rails is another $900! So, understanding that the price may go down when they are able to sell individual parts, I think I'll just deal with the cumbersome setup for now, and maybe order a second set of rails in the future. But, wait, that will probably be at least $100 or more for shipping, so should probably just order them now and have them send them with the bed.....

With the second set of rails, at least you could have the second set up at the highest setting, use a tri-fold mattress, fold everything to one section, move up the other two sections, and then move the bedding to one of the now-raised sections, and move up the final section. Still, a bit of work, but at least everything stays off the ground during the transition.
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I echo all your concerns cayoneer. I think one could possible still use the space outside the frame support legs on the HappiJac for some type of storage who’ll still having enough space to shoehorn 2 motos in place. But, after the $1650 initial cost you still will need to design a bed frame. There has to be a sub-$5k solution...or maybe I just kick the 2nd outside and sleep in the front. Not sure the wife would like tenting it though.
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I echo all your concerns cayoneer. I think one could possible still use the space outside the frame support legs on the HappiJac for some type of storage wholl still having enough space to shoehorn 2 motos in place. But, after the $1650 initial cost you still will need to design a bed frame. There has to be a sub-$5k solution...or maybe I just kick the 2nd outside and sleep in the front. Not sure the wife would like tenting it though.


There is very little room above the dirt bike handlebars for sleeping even in a high roof sprinter. If you measure the handlebar height (~52) and then add the bed frame and mattress (~8?) you are at 60 approx. You might feel like you are climbing into a cave or coffin when sleeping ...

Ive been debating the same thing with my motorcycles. Ive hauled three dirt bikes with 4 guys and gear to Mojave and four large Adventure bikes (2 on trailer, 2 inside)to Death Valley in my 144.

I have not slept in it however. My custom shelf above the bike seats stops at the handlebars.

Ive also looked the Moab bed and went to the adwagon 3 day workshop. Great stuff but it is pricey but worth it IMO.


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There is very little room above the dirt bike handlebars for sleeping even in a high roof sprinter. If you measure the handlebar height (~52”) and then add the bed frame and mattress (~8”?) you are at 60” approx. You might feel like you are climbing into a cave or coffin when sleeping ...
if you put the bikes in backwards then shift the platform forward a bit so that the platform rides just above the gas tank you could get some extra room but yeah, its still a coffin.
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Mounting the track horizontally would be a challenge as the only steel (needed for support as this will be a bed) is too high. Drop down e-track stud holders, if there is such a thing could work.
what are your walls lined with ?
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I just need to figure out how to mount the straight track on the bowed walls. .
i just took a piece of E-Track out to the van an placed it vertically. theres an 1'-1/4'' gap but when i applied a bit of pressure with my hand it shrunk to 3/4'' ... no doubt the E-track would conform to the bowed walls with a bit more pressure or even better yet you pre bend then install it.


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We will have a bed option out soon that will easily allow for transportation of motos and mountain bikes but it still doesn't quite fit what you are looking to achieve. This will retail for around $1500.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhP0Wx9g...-by=vancompass

I think something similar to a dual vertical bunk set-up on one side of the van will be ideal for what you are trying to achieve. I've seen several Outside Vans set-up like that and that seems to be a good alternative for hauling motorcycles and still be able to sleep in the van without unloading them.
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what are your walls lined with ?
My van arrives mid May. Not sure what wall material I’ll have. This is my main need for the van therefore everything must be designed around this. Just trying to get my head around the problems early.

Nice setup Desertbound. If this could work in a ‘high’position and low (like pictured) I’d see it working. This issue with the OSV option is it’d be hard to squeeze in next to 2 motos.

Bikes in backwards I think will be key.

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