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Old 04-23-2019, 03:36 AM   #1
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Default 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

Time for a van upgrade. I Currently own a 2004 & 2005 Sprinters. One is 290k miles and lots of rust. The other is 190k miles and medium rust. I use the van for work, loaded with appox 2000lb of shelving and tools and drive approx 80 miles a day. I also tow an enclosed trailer weighing just under 5000 lbs a couple times a month.

Doing research many are saying the current diesels are not worth the extra maintenance & repair costs. Which I understand it can be a bit more pricey. But what about life expectancy?

Is an EcoBoost going to fail very close to 150K miles while a Diesel will often go 300+k miles?

IDK and I havent found anything on the interwebs to help.

I think MPG is about the same on all 3 of these motors, very close to 16mpg.

What do we think of this and what is the best choice for me and how I use my van? (2019 Sprinter 3.0 V6 Turbo Diesel, 2019 Transit 3.2 I5 or a 2019 Transit 3.5 V6 EcoBoost)

I also don't plan to sell it after so many years or miles. I would drive it till the wheels fell off or it rusted out, which ever comes first.
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Old 04-26-2019, 10:40 PM   #2
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Default Re: 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

The Sprinter 2500 vans will tow 5,000 pounds, and have a payload capacity of nearly 4,000 pounds, so there is one other Mercedes-Benz engine to consider- the M274 turbo 2.0 4-cylinder gas engine.

And Ford has had problems with the turbos on the twin-turbo 3.5, but they are going to replace the 3.7 with a non-turbo 3.5, so you will be able to have a 3.5 without the turbo headaches.

And finally, Ford is going to replace the 3.2 turbodiesel with a more-powerful twin-turbo 2.0 diesel 4-cylinder, so that would be an option for you as well.

Any of those engines would work for your application. Just keep in mind that gasoline tends to be less expensive in the U.S. than diesel fuel, so even if a gas engine delivers less miles per gallon, it may still be less expensive to feed.
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Old 04-27-2019, 12:02 AM   #3
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Default Re: 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

All modern diesel engines have complicated emission systems no matter what brand.

Drive the vehicles to help make your decision.
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Old 04-27-2019, 01:54 PM   #4
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Default Re: 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

If I'm in a position to buy a new van again, it is doubtful that a diesel engine will be under the hood. Unless the van I want isn't available without a diesel, and that may require a reevaluation of why I want that particular van.

Additionally, based on my experience with Sprinters and rust, it would take a lot to go down that road again.
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Old 04-27-2019, 04:41 PM   #5
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Default Re: 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

Gm offers the 2.8 diesel in the express and savanna vans in 2wd models your looking 26-29 mpg


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Old 04-28-2019, 04:15 PM   #6
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Default Re: 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

Is there a reason you are avoiding the Ram Promaster 3.6 Pentastar? I have spoken with several expediters that have over 400k on the odometer with no complaints.
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Old 04-29-2019, 12:44 AM   #7
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Default Re: 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

We had a 2015 Transit with EcoBoost. It would tow 5,000 lbs like it wasn’t even there. The diesel was about $3,000 more and had similar tow rating. Our negative experiences with diesel emissions control was another reason we bought the EcoBoost.

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And Ford has had problems with the turbos on the twin-turbo 3.5, but they are going to replace the 3.7 with a non-turbo 3.5, so you will be able to have a 3.5 without the turbo headaches//
Citation needed.

The 3.5 EcoBoost has been in F150’s since 2011. There are literally millions on the road with many, many high mileage examples.

Not to mention 5X the number of dealers.

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Gm offers the 2.8 diesel in the express and savanna vans in 2wd models your (sic) looking 26-29 mpg
Got facts? Our V8 Express averaged around 15mpg and the best tank we ever got was 18. In our use diesels got 20-25% better mpg, not 60-70%.
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Old 04-29-2019, 01:04 AM   #8
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Default Re: 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

When I was considering the Ford Transit, I wanted the Powerstroke diesel, but figured I'd skip the possible headaches of the diesel and go with the EcoBoost. Just a slight upcharge from the base 3.7L engine, and about the same fuel economy, but gobs more HP and torque. Why not?

I did test drive a base 3.7L as a rental for 3 days and 1000 miles and that 3.7 wasn't a bad engine. Nothing about it made it feel special, but it did it's job and had enough power.
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Old 04-29-2019, 02:54 PM   #9
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Default Re: 2019 models: 3.5 Ecoboost, 3.2 Powerstroke I5 or Mercedes 3.0 V6

Given your use case my order of preference would be:
1) 2014-2016 Sprinter with the 4 cyl diesel (not sure if you're willing to buy used)
2) 2020 Transit with the 4 cyl diesel (not available quite yet, can you wait?)
3) Sprinter V6

I wouldn't buy an Ecoboost V6 until Ford puts the Gen2 version in the Transit like they have the rest of their lineup. Gen2 includes dual injection to avoid the valve carbon deposit problem.


I'd shy away from the 3.2 Transit diesel....they didn't sell very many and repair may be an issue in the future. I think it's smart to not consider the Promaster at all.
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Given your use case my order of preference would be:
1) 2014-2016 Sprinter with the 4 cyl diesel (not sure if you're willing to buy used)
2) 2020 Transit with the 4 cyl diesel (not available quite yet, can you wait?)
3) Sprinter V6

I wouldn't buy an Ecoboost V6 until Ford puts the Gen2 version in the Transit like they have the rest of their lineup. Gen2 includes dual injection to avoid the valve carbon deposit problem.

I'd shy away from the 3.2 Transit diesel....they didn't sell very many and repair may be an issue in the future. I think it's smart to not consider the Promaster at all.
Good analysis. You did leave out one other choice which is the new 3.5 liter non turbo gas 2020 Transit engine with the new 10 speed transmission. This engine does have the intake port injection with direct injection. That choice has the benefit of eliminating the diesel emission issues and has more performance than a diesel and lower scheduled maintenance costs. Negative is lower mpg if that is important to the user.
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