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Old 11-05-2019, 08:17 PM   #1
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To Flarespace or not to Flarespace that is the question.

I have a '17 NCV3, 144, 4x4

I waffle in and out of adding the Flarespace.

For those who have it, was it worth it?

What are Pros and Cons...

My rig will be set up for two people max, and mostly just me.

Thanks in advance.

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Old 11-05-2019, 08:35 PM   #2
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Duh yes with windows extra 3 of space to build!


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Old 11-06-2019, 01:18 AM   #3
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I waffled and eventually decided not to for these reasons:

- no climbing over the inside partner to pee during the night
- would limit the bed height (we have a kid bunk configuration below so lower headroom is important)
- less insulation, we camp in the winter

Certainly could use the extra room though. 2 adults 2 kids in a 144 is tight if you leave the beds configured.

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Old 11-06-2019, 05:42 AM   #4
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I think you will only gain 10-12 inches of added van space with the bed mounted sideways but that is still a lot in a 144. If you are 5 10 or taller it may not be comfortable. And fitting bikes in sideways is also a pain. The Revel is a good example of what you can achieve with the flares and a narrow bed.


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Old 11-06-2019, 05:54 AM   #5
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What criteria do you have for your build?

I have a 144" built out as a camper. Initially I thought I would want flares, but now I am happy I don't have them. Here's why:
1. As mentioned, one person doesn't have to crawl over the other to pee in the middle of the night.
2. I store skis lengthwise under the bed. These wouldn't fit if I shortened the bed platform to fit the flares, making the space savings a moot point.
3. Same as above, but for bikes.

So for me, the bed platform needs to be that long to facilitate my storage needs underneath the bed, so there's no advantage to the interior length savings.

Also as mentioned, the Revel is a great example of how the flares can be utilized. It just depends on what you want to achieve with your build.
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Old 11-06-2019, 06:43 AM   #6
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I did not need flares because both my wife and I are 5'6" tall and the cross-wise bed length is fine. I sleep on the back side, and I use a pee-bottle ( no need to climb out of bed at night.)
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Old 11-06-2019, 06:53 AM   #7
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Side question. I just bought the van for converting it for small motorhome using stuff from my old camper.
I have passenger van with windows and interior paneling. When space between the interior walls at lower level is 5-10, it is about 6-2 between the windows.
I am thinking about elevating the dinette I will use for bed to windows level what will give me storage under and even if I add 1/2" of insulation on the window for sleeping, that should be comfortable?
My dilemma with bed going long way is that when I use camper shower/sink combo + camper refrigerator even with small countertop behind driver the long van floor ends extremely fast.
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Old 11-06-2019, 01:32 PM   #8
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i kind of default to flarespace at this point. Super no brainer IMO
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I think you will only gain 10-12 inches of added van space with the bed mounted sideways but that is still a lot in a 144. If you are 5 10 or taller it may not be comfortable. And fitting bikes in sideways is also a pain. The Revel is a good example of what you can achieve with the flares and a narrow bed.


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if you build for a queen bed, its 16 inches you save. my beds are exactly 16" different from flare style to normal
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Flare space itself is sorta irrelevant for the PM, but some of the issues raised are relevant to anyone.

“Crawling over” vs “sliding out” is a huge question and is very personal. For ten years, we had a truck tent which required sliding off the end. MrNomer never learned to get out without taking the covers with him, so I had to be alert to grab the covers with an iron grip. He can crawl over me without my hardly knowing it. Now I crawl over him with similar ease. Even better, he gets up in the night, too, so we just get up together. If the bed were lengthwise, he would still strip it. OTOH, I could get out the end without stripping the covers, so I know stripping is not necessarily an issue, and lengthwise could certainly be easier if there are mobility issues. Bottom line: mock it up and see which way is the least of the evils for you.

We also camp in winter with max-sized Motion windows at each end of the bed (and every where else). We never cover them except occasionally for ornery lights. A home-made Climashield quilt keeps us comfy at least down to 8, our coldest yet.

Our home bed is 54” wide, and there’s still room for a cat or two, so the van bed is 48”, which is plenty. This means at least 24” saved by a horizontal bed. Out of the 100” available, that is a huge savings.
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