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Old 01-11-2019, 02:39 AM   #11
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Ford Cutting Jobs In Europe
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Old 01-11-2019, 04:29 AM   #12
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Changes are coming...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g...-idUSKCN1P502G
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I guess we are not going to continue being Europe's sugar daddy.
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On that scoop sorry but Ford can't compete in that small car Euro market.
The biggest Ford factories in Europe USED to be in Germany and UK.
Basically the same a GM with Vauxhaul/Opel line.

Stiff competition has reduced these makes to mere shadows of their former self in both brands Chrysler left its remnants in the early 80's in Coventry.
GM has just about gone.
Ford still uses the Dagenham Works for diesel engine production only.

Ford in the 1980's enjoyed around 45% of the UK market, but that is just a memory, its been on the skids for years, in fact decades .
After all Ford USA has just about eliminated it car line for the USA in 2019 so its in line with car platform contraction using ICE engines worldwide.
Still plenty of choice for Euro consumers though , I bet Ford won't even be missed.

In reality this move to electric cars is going to eliminate many of the old Fossil Famous names including my pet brands JLR. Great repair money spinners those!
Ford Chrysler and GM are really in the firing line as Chinese production ramps up in the coming decades by brand relocation..
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So, once vehicles' AIs can communicate with each other, they can cooperate to avoid accidents. What a concept.
Sort of. The real concept behind this is to increase highway packing density.

In other words, the vehicles will be operated with very little space in front of and behind them so that more cars can be on the road at the same time. This partly makes up for poor planning on the part of people in charge of road transportation.

When a person drives, through a combination of instinct and training, we tend to leave enough distance between cars so that we can react to changing traffic conditions.

In these high density approaches, this spacing distance will be very small - far too small for a person to react if something goes wrong.

Think about the experience - going 70 mph with 1/2 of a car length in front of you and everyone else. Sort of like a roller coaster ride. If the car automation goes out, it turns the controls back to you to "figure it out".
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On that scoop sorry but Ford can't compete in that small car Euro market.
The biggest Ford factories in Europe USED to be in Germany and UK.
Basically the same a GM with Vauxhaul/Opel line.

Stiff competition has reduced these makes to mere shadows of their former self in both brands Chrysler left its remnants in the early 80's in Coventry.
GM has just about gone.
Ford still uses the Dagenham Works for diesel engine production only.

Ford in the 1980's enjoyed around 45% of the UK market, but that is just a memory, its been on the skids for years, in fact decades .
After all Ford USA has just about eliminated it car line for the USA in 2019 so its in line with car platform contraction using ICE engines worldwide.
Still plenty of choice for Euro consumers though , I bet Ford won't even be missed.

In reality this move to electric cars is going to eliminate many of the old Fossil Famous names including my pet brands JLR. Great repair money spinners those!
Ford Chrysler and GM are really in the firing line as Chinese production ramps up in the coming decades by brand relocation..
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You can kind of see it already.

Ford and GM essentially exiting the sedan business.

VW and others making massive investment into China battery factories, even if the cars at assembled in NA or the EU.

Potentially the greatest shift of assets and ongoing massive trade deficit problems ever.
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This article from SAE focuses on BorgWarner's propulsion electrification applications...

https://www.sae.org/news/2018/11/bor...00&bid=2341987
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Default Re: Expect a few changes with the big boys (SAE Auto Engineering)

Here are some of the details from January 2019 issue of SAE Automotive Engineering... Not sure if you can read it without an account so I'm attaching some key stories relevant to this thread.

https://www.sae.org/publications/mag...ve-engineering

First PDF is cover and Editorial about how Rivian out-innovates the Detroit 3.

Second PDF is a piece by Sam Abuelsamid, Senior Analyst Navigant Research, about "The not-so-hidden cost of “free”". It discusses the Tesla model and how he thinks automated vehicles will operate in the future.

Third PDF is the full cover story on the Rivian electric pickup truck.

Enjoy,
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Meanwhile in China:-

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46745472

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... the article leads off with the paragraph:
"Outside China, few drivers have heard of brands such asHit BYD or Beijing Automobile Works. But they're two of the largest players in the world's biggest market for electric cars."

We all just know that the pronunciation for that bolded item will be "ahh - "

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p.s. ... the forum's "no bad word" algorithm blocked the original quote... it required a bit of creativity to have it appear as in the article.
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