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Old 01-07-2019, 07:01 AM   #41
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Default Re: Dealers tells me 4,000 4x4s will be produced...

and a 4x conversion would affect the tranny, drivetrain, suspension, brakes and most likley they’d say engine and electrical system too... there already seems to be big differences in how different Dealers handle Sprinters as it is...
Oberainger’s conversions are still covered but I don’t know if they do 2019s yet and they only do the conversion in Germany..
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Old 01-07-2019, 01:13 PM   #42
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and a 4x conversion would affect the tranny, drivetrain, suspension, brakes and most likley they’d say engine and electrical system too... there already seems to be big differences in how different Dealers handle Sprinters as it is...
Oberainger’s conversions are still covered but I don’t know if they do 2019s yet and they only do the conversion in Germany..
Different strokes for sure.
He offers a 3 year warranty on the items as well.
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Old 01-07-2019, 01:51 PM   #43
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All 4x4 systems cannot be all things to all people, so there are significant trade offs. Lots of lift, ride quality, etc. The factory system is built with the ESP/traction control in mind, so it will provide much better control at highway speeds when in AWD mode.

Mercedes has themselves in a bit of a pickle. They have been working with Oberaigner (OB) for decades, and they incorporated their design into the sprinter. The 4WD sprinter has never been crazy popular, so they were happy to let OB make the parts and let MB install them. Flash forward to recent years and the 4x4 is much more popular. OB can't or won't make the investment to increase their parts production. MB has lots of money invested in certifying the OB sourced 4x4 sprinters. I would bet the OB actually partly owns the parts designs, so MB can't just ask another supplier to make them. So now MB can choose to stick with OB at limited quantities, or they can switch suppliers, change designs, and pay the $$$$$$ to certify a new design in half a dozen major markets.

Toss in a recent pending design change (and the cert required) and its easy to see why there is so much delay with MB.
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Old 01-07-2019, 03:17 PM   #44
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All 4x4 systems cannot be all things to all people...
I would say Bang on. Perhaps Mercedes will develop their own version of the 4x4/AWD system in the near future like the salesman said, but it's so much speculating that it's not worth dreaming about at this point.


Off-topic here, but how does a quigley transit 4x4 sound compared to a sprinter? Is the Drivetrain quieter? I have seen a few around the city here lately.
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Quigley (last time I checked) was using F150 parts on the transit. If they are anything like the F150s I have driven recently, you can't even tell the 4x4 bits are there.
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Old 01-07-2019, 11:40 PM   #46
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Quigley (last time I checked) was using F150 parts on the transit. If they are anything like the F150s I have driven recently, you can't even tell the 4x4 bits are there.
agreed.

Drove a transit a few weeks ago with a swap and it drives great. No clunks like ours
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I guess the ride / driving experience in the Quigley Transit ford is superior to the sprinter- I had a discussion with a customer of mine who has extensive experience with both - also he did not want diesel.
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looks like the 4x4 transits are abundant, this dealer has 40 in stock:
https://newbergford.com/new-commerci...Body=Van%204X4
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looks like the 4x4 transits are abundant, this dealer has 40 in stock:
https://newbergford.com/new-commerci...Body=Van%204X4
It appears as if there quite a few just sitting around - Are they just too new or just too strange to the 4x4 market to be accepted yet?

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Old 01-13-2019, 04:06 PM   #50
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It appears as if there quite a few just sitting around - Are they just too new or just too strange to the 4x4 market to be accepted yet?

Thanks Mike
Newberg Ford is the national hub for Quigley Transits as they come from Quigley.
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