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Old 02-28-2020, 03:30 PM   #31
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Ah you are referring most likely to BG 244 or 245 for regular fuel additive use .
See this
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Old 02-28-2020, 03:36 PM   #32
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Hereís another one that shows the procedure in detail along with whatís being expelled from the tailpipe.

https://youtu.be/w4ABTo42tKA

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Is this something that would be valuable as a PM in order to prevent buildup?
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Old 02-28-2020, 04:16 PM   #34
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Yes a nearby shop who specializes in Ford diesels does this as routine.
Knowing of course that 2004 to 2009 F250'/350s and the 6 litre engine families were very prone to coking up.

The older 6 litre Powerstroke EGR cooler was a major repair expense to owners when it first came out. That was when we first got interested in BG solutions to correct common expensive issues on Fords. Nowadays we have cross transferred those procedures to Spriners because of the upper cylinder coking issues particularly on the CD14 engine series.

Offering it as a routine service can become an issue simply because as a shop unless the engine is exhibiting a driveability problem , it can be a hard sell as many think its just an upsell and not necessary.
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Old 02-28-2020, 05:40 PM   #35
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Yes a nearby shop who specializes in Ford diesels does this as routine.
Knowing of course that 2004 to 2009 F250'/350s and the 6 litre engine families were very prone to coking up.

The older 6 litre Powerstroke EGR cooler was a major repair expense to owners when it first came out. That was when we first got interested in BG solutions to correct common expensive issues on Fords. Nowadays we have cross transferred those procedures to Spriners because of the upper cylinder coking issues particularly on the CD14 engine series.

Offering it as a routine service can become an issue simply because as a shop unless the engine is exhibiting a driveability problem , it can be a hard sell as many think its just an upsell and not necessary.
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Out of curiosity, what do you charge for the BG treatment?
I already do BG 245 every 10k. And I have a 2018. Just wondering if it is worth it, when it gets to 60k or so.
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Old 02-28-2020, 05:44 PM   #36
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Here’s another one that shows the procedure in detail along with what’s being expelled from the tailpipe.
I gotta ask... is the DPF removed prior to performing the BG intake service? If not how is it not destroyed (or at least compromised or service life shortened) when all that crap runs through it?
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Old 02-28-2020, 06:05 PM   #37
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So the bottom line here, is that you have to remove the intake manifolds off to examine the nature of the condition.

Is walnut blasting an option?
What's "repacking the intake manifold"?
Sorry auto correct typo........replacing not repacking.
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Offering it as a routine service can become an issue simply because as a shop unless the engine is exhibiting a driveability problem , it can be a hard sell as many think its just an upsell and not necessary.
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Thatís understandable as the Repair industry as over sold ( aka upsells ) all the flushes for fuel injection, power steering, intakes, brake, exhaust, transmission and engine flushes.

Historically flushes have been a huge profit center.......aka wallet flush.
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Is it coincidence that you can't buy Liqui Moly 3029 Diesel Engine Air Flow Intake Cleaner in USA?
Watching youtube- the product is really used in UK, but beside Dennis, no shop will offer it in this country.
Bottom line - $30 of "miracle in the bottle" can save you over $2000 in manifold changing.

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Old 02-28-2020, 07:04 PM   #40
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Is it coincidence that you can't buy Liqui Moly 3029 Diesel Engine Air Flow Intake Cleaner in USA?
Watching youtube- the product is really used in UK, but beside Dennis, no shop will offer it in this country.
Bottom line - $30 of "miracle in the bottle" can save you over $2000 in manifold changing.
OK if you say so.
I won't risk any engine clean out that jeopardizes the end result.
The moment I hear clattering & banging it means something is getting damaged.

Irrespective of offering an upsell, we use the BG system mostly for a clean out before dismantling in the shop.
This saves us a huge amount in manifold & port clean up times. Turn around times are drastically reduced.
It also cleans out the pan, removing carbon & tar at piston levels and below
Often we do a SAAB pan rake out test before clean out just to see how much carbon & crap has settled in the pan.
We can usually purge the pan & sump with the BG system chemicals whereas before we were dropping the sump box to clean it out .
Again time saved .

I suppose compared to Ford owners who are facing huge bills for carbon related teardown,the BG system saves the customer money and boost our profit line.
So its win win all round especially with Ford Powerstroke EGR coolers & pesky manifolding.
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