See post #24 for evidence that MB229.5 spec oil is not "out of date old formula" oil, but is still a very up to date different formula oil. MB229.5 spec oil is the only oil approved for the VS30 Sprinter 2.0L M274 L4 turbo gasoline engine. Gasoline engines do not have the newer diesel emissions systems. They just need good quality engine oil. MB229.5 is not "old formula" that should be replaced with newer spec oils by T1N owners. Our 5 cylinder engines also just need good quality engine oil.
MB Engine Oil PDF (Attached)
[Official MB] Notes:
In general, the binding engine oil specification (MB-sheet) is documented in the relevant operating manual of the vehicle.
Information on unlisted or older engine types are described in the manual of the vehicle or the maintenance instructions. [The Operator Manual information is evergreen.]
The prescribed engine oil drain may be dependent on the applied engine oil specification.
When using certain specifications reduced engine oil drain intervals have to be considered.
Details are documented in the operating manual of the vehicle, the service information or maintenance instructions.
Multi grade oils can be used all year-round taking into consideration the outside temperature (see sheet 224.1)
The suitability of the applied viscosity grade (SAE grade) for the expected outside temperatures has to be ensured before the cold season starts
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MB 229.51 and MB 229.52 were reported to be backward compatible for T1N engines, but even ignoring the generally higher price point is it the best choice? MB229.31, MB229.51, MB229.52 are NOT backward compatible to MB229.3, MB229.5 (See post #23).
Ravenol Oil published an overview of the MB specs/tests. Thanks goes to Boatworksjon.
Some selected quotes.
Note that Ravenol didn't include the OM612 or OM647 engines under MB229.51. Interestingly they did include the Sprinter OM611 engine (also an early 4 cyl CDI design).
The complete Ravenol MB testing information.
View attachment oil.pdf
I have my thoughts, but there should be enough information for others to decide.
vic
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http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?language_id=1
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An overview that I found easy to use. The list isn't complete for all MB spec oils applicable to a specific Sprinter engine, but what is listed is good to use.
vic
PAGE DISCLAIMER: The Sprinter motor oil information on this page should not be used as a substitute for what your vehicle owner's manual, factory service manual, or authorized Mercedes Sprinter dealer recommends. Consult your owner's manual for the correct type of Mercedes Sprinter oil that is to be used for your specific Sprinter model.
Recommended Mercedes Sprinter Oil Specs
The recommended Sprinter oil, specifications, quality standards, and oil viscosity weight are specified in your owner's manual. These specifications can typically be referenced in the owners manual index under engine oil or operating fluids. If you have lost your owner's manual and are having difficulty determining what type of Sprinter oil to use, you may wish to refer to our BLAU® Sprinter Oil Change Kits; which match the correct Sprinter oil, oil filter, and hardware for each specific model and engine type.
Types of oil used in Dodge Sprinter Model Engines
** Any engine oil with MB 229.5 specification can replace MB 229.3. MB 229.3 oil specification should not be used in place of MB 229.5 spec.
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Some of my recent thoughts about newer MB oil specifications.
Anymore the newer MB oil specifications are not about avoiding blowing up your engine. Any good quality (not necessarily expensive) turbo diesel engine oil will work for the mechanical parts. The issues are emissions system service life (DPF) and maybe playing better with biodiesel blends.
Mercedes seems always to be very conservative with recommended fluids and service intervals. The question in mind is the difference between a SAP of 0.8 as recommended vs the more common SAP of 1.0 or less that many vehicle manufacturers are happy with. Does that difference significantly reduce the service life of the Sprinter DPF, or just reduce it a bit?
The above comment is just musing. As a T1N owner I don't have a dog in the race. The reality is that a DPF is expensive to replace.
As to what the MB229.52 spec includes over MB229.51...
The information is out there is you dig around. The differences between MB229.51 and MB229.52 spec may not apply at all to owners of older model Sprinters. The original fluid specs in the Operator Manual always apply.
The MB229.52 "improvements" are not about avoiding blowing up your engine. The mechanical part of the oil hasn't changed from MB229.5 spec. It is the emissions part that changed.
MB 229.52
Oils meeting this specifications must have lower ash content, at least 1% better fuel economy compared to the requirements of MB 229.31 and MB 229.51 and better oxidation stability for biofuel compatibility. Can also be used where an MB 229.31 or an MB 229.51 oil is required. Just like MB 229.5 and MB 229.51 this spec requires a long life oil.
Will you notice a theoretical 1% better fuel economy during real world operation? Do you use a high percentage of biodiesel? Mercedes has always been fine with up to 5% biodiesel blend. That was before MB229.52 oil was rolled out.
If the mechanical condition of your engine is the concern then an owner should stay with the approved oil that still contains some of the tried and true additives that work for that. Many of those additives have been reduced or eliminated for reasons of emissions system longevity, not for the betterment of the mechanical parts.
Proper viscosity for your service areas should be included in your selection of engine oil.
MB Engine Oil PDF (Attached)
[Official MB] Notes:
In general, the binding engine oil specification (MB-sheet) is documented in the relevant operating manual of the vehicle.
Information on unlisted or older engine types are described in the manual of the vehicle or the maintenance instructions. [The Operator Manual information is evergreen.]
The prescribed engine oil drain may be dependent on the applied engine oil specification.
When using certain specifications reduced engine oil drain intervals have to be considered.
Details are documented in the operating manual of the vehicle, the service information or maintenance instructions.
Multi grade oils can be used all year-round taking into consideration the outside temperature (see sheet 224.1)
The suitability of the applied viscosity grade (SAE grade) for the expected outside temperatures has to be ensured before the cold season starts
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MB 229.51 and MB 229.52 were reported to be backward compatible for T1N engines, but even ignoring the generally higher price point is it the best choice? MB229.31, MB229.51, MB229.52 are NOT backward compatible to MB229.3, MB229.5 (See post #23).
Ravenol Oil published an overview of the MB specs/tests. Thanks goes to Boatworksjon.
Some selected quotes.
Does better fuel economy come with the price of lesser T1N engine service life?Ravenol Newsletter said:MB 229.52 Multigrade service engine oil Low SPAsh
Engine oil with low sulphur,
phosphorus and sulphated ash content
- Low SPAsh.
The specification MB 229.52 is
based on the standard MB 229.51,
although it has higher requirements for
oxidation stability and fuel consumption
reduction . 229 .52 is primarily
tailored to the new BLUETEC engines.
MB 229.51 Multigrade service engine oil Low SPAsh
Engine oil with low sulphur, phosphorus
and sulphated ash content - Low
SPAsh.
All engine oils with this approval are
so-called "Low SPAsh" multigrade
engine oils. They all have a lower
proportion of sulphur (S), phosphorus
(P) and sulphated ash (SA). Diesel
engines with a particulate filter (DPF)
primarily require these low-ash engine
oils. In addition, MB 229.51 promises
better fuel consumption compared
with MB 229.5.
The following engines are compatible
with MB 229.51:
Petrol engines: M 156 (only SAE 0W-
40 or 5W-40), M 132 (ROW), M 266,
271.
Diesel engines without a particulate
filter: OM 640, 642, 646, 611 in
BR9xx (Sprinter), 660.
Diesel engines without a particulate
filter: OM 629, 640, 642, 646,
660 (EU3/EU4 with unregulated
particulate filters).
Ravenol VMS SAE 5W-30 COMPACT:
* Compared with 229.1/229.3/229.5: lower sulphur, phosphorous and ash forming content, better compatibility with DPF.
* Compared with 229.1/229.3: more environmentally friendly, increased potential fuel savings.
* 229.52 backwards compatible with 229.51, backwards compatible with 229.31: in each case the requirements are more stringent compared with older specifications 229.1/229.3/229.5
* 229.52/229.51/229.31 are therefore not backwards compatible with 229.5/229.3/229.1
* 229.52: currently has the most stringent requirements
* The engines are installed in vehicles including the current ML and GL models, as well as R, S, and G class vehicles.
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Note that Ravenol didn't include the OM612 or OM647 engines under MB229.51. Interestingly they did include the Sprinter OM611 engine (also an early 4 cyl CDI design).
The complete Ravenol MB testing information.
View attachment oil.pdf
What oil does a Mercedes dealership put in your T1N?Ravenol Newsletter said:* 229.52/229.51/229.31 are therefore not backwards compatible with 229.5/229.3/229.1
I have my thoughts, but there should be enough information for others to decide.
vic
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Mercedes BeVo Specification Listing...
I find that Lubrizol is a good general information source for engine oils. This link has info about some of the newer emissions regulations as relates to oil.
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The Lubrizol links have gone stale.
can be used for searching. Eg. - "ACEA aftertreatment", "European Engine Oil"Specialty Chemicals - The Lubrizol Corporation
As a leader in specialty chemicals, Lubrizol's mission is to be an essential ingredient in our customers' success. We are a market-driven, specialty chemical company with innovative technologies that include lubricant additives for engine oils and driveline fluids, industrial lubricants...www.lubrizol.com
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https://passenger.lubrizoladditives360.com/acea-aftertreatment-compatibility/
Lubrizol has some great pages on the ACEA oil specifications.
This E9 overview has some info about SAPS "Note 1 : SAPS refers to Sulphated Ash, Phosphorus and Sulphur, the levels of which are often restricted in the latest performance specifications."
http://www.lubrizol.com/EuropeanEngineOils/E908.html
And the C3 spec (which includes MB229.51?)
http://www.lubrizol.com/EuropeanEngineOils/C308.html
https://www.lubrizol.com/engineoiladditives/acea/conferencepapers/acea.pdf
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http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolistenmain.php?language_id=1
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When it comes to the older 903 and 904's [T1N 5 cylinder] we simply fill with 10 [1.0?... 9.5 is a T1N fill] quart jugs of Rotella T6 [5w-40 Full Synthetic Blue Jug] or Valvoline Blue [15w-40], same as our policy on Cummins fills using exclusively Valvoline.
For the same reasons MB folk like seeing MB bottles and labels !
... Dennis
Worrying about draining the last little bits....
Actually Shell Rotella T6 5w-40 Full Synthetic (blue jug) has a good TBN. I don't know where it may be lacking except that MB BeVo takes off T1N points because it is MB228.31 spec. Which is interesting because MB says that the MB229.51, .52 which lacks some of the same properties is fine.
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My latest opinion for T1N engine oil.
The engine oil needed [for T1N's] isn't rocket science anymore. Modern small displacement turbo diesel engines are no longer a new special beast. There are many, many oil manufacturers that produce quality turbo diesel engine oil. Many don't submit to MB for their BeVo list official specification. Lacking a DPF and other more recent emissions controls as the T1N does, any good quality turbo diesel engine oil of the proper viscosity for your areas of operation will be fine.
I put my money where my mouth is. I've used many different brands of engine oil in my T1N. I look for MB spec and ACEA class on the labels, but the most important factor for me is viscosity. I look for 0w-40 or 5w-40 with 5w-40 being the more common that I find.
If my operation area allowed 15w-40 viscosity oil that would be included in my selections.
Actually I sometimes top off to 9 quarts with the 2 ea. gallon jugs of 5w-40 by using 1 quart of 15w-40 oil. Oh the humanity!
vic
Added:Broken record here.
Remember that if you maintain your fluid changes to the proper schedules the removed fluid is toxic waste per the EPA, but it is still good serviceable product for your vehicle. Worrying about getting the last drops out when you keep up on your maintenance is a complete waste of time and effort.
Generally the fluids need to be changed out to renew depleted ADDITIVES. The base fluid is still fine.
vic
An overview that I found easy to use. The list isn't complete for all MB spec oils applicable to a specific Sprinter engine, but what is listed is good to use.
vic
PAGE DISCLAIMER: The Sprinter motor oil information on this page should not be used as a substitute for what your vehicle owner's manual, factory service manual, or authorized Mercedes Sprinter dealer recommends. Consult your owner's manual for the correct type of Mercedes Sprinter oil that is to be used for your specific Sprinter model.
Recommended Mercedes Sprinter Oil Specs
The recommended Sprinter oil, specifications, quality standards, and oil viscosity weight are specified in your owner's manual. These specifications can typically be referenced in the owners manual index under engine oil or operating fluids. If you have lost your owner's manual and are having difficulty determining what type of Sprinter oil to use, you may wish to refer to our BLAU® Sprinter Oil Change Kits; which match the correct Sprinter oil, oil filter, and hardware for each specific model and engine type.
Types of oil used in Dodge Sprinter Model Engines
- 2003-2006 Dodge Sprinter 2.7L OM647 OM612 L5 turbo diesel models use oil spec MB 229.5 or MB 229.3.**
- 2007-2008 Dodge Sprinter 3.5L M272 V6 gasoline models use MB 229.5 or MB 229.3 oil specs.**
- 2007-2009 Dodge Sprinter 3.0L OM642 V6 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51 or MB 229.51 oil specs.*
- 2002-2006 Freightliner Sprinter 2.7L OM647 OM612 L5 turbo diesel models use MB 229.5 or MB 229.3 oil specs.**
- 2007-2008 Freightliner Sprinter 3.5L M272 V6 gasoline models use MB 229.5 or MB 229.3 oil specs.**
- 2007-2012 Freightliner Sprinter 3.0L OM642 V6 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51 or MB 229.51 oil specs.*
- 2013-2016 Freightliner Sprinter 3.0L OM642 V6 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51, MB 229.31, MB 229.51 oil specs.*
- 2014-2016 Freightliner Sprinter 2.1L OM651 L4 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51, MB 229.31, MB 229.51 oil specs.*
- 2017-2018 Freightliner Sprinter 3.0L OM642 V6 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51, MB 229.31, MB 229.51, MB 229.52 oil specs.*
- 2017-2017 Freightliner Sprinter 2.1L OM651 L4 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51, MB 229.31, MB 229.51, MB 229.52 oil specs.*
- 2010-2016 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 3.0L OM642 V6 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51, MB 229.31, MB 229.51 oil specs.*
- 2014-2016 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 2.1L OM651 L4 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51, MB 229.31, MB 229.51 oil specs.*
- 2017-2020 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 3.0L OM642 V6 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51, MB 229.31, MB 229.51, MB 229.52 oil specs.*
- 2017-2017 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 2.1L OM651 L4 turbo diesel models use MB 228.51, MB 229.31, MB 229.51, MB 229.52 oil specs.*
- 2019-2020 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 2.0L M274 L4 turbo gasoline models uses MB 229.5 oil spec.
** Any engine oil with MB 229.5 specification can replace MB 229.3. MB 229.3 oil specification should not be used in place of MB 229.5 spec.
Recommended Sprinter Motor Oils - Types of Sprinter Oil Specs
Wondering what type of oil to use in your Mercedes Freightliner Dodge Sprinter? Find out what Sprinter motor oil your car uses. Recommended Sprinter oil specifications explained. Mercedes Freightliner Dodge Sprinter oil spec may be MB 229 52 type oil. Blauparts offers OEM approved Sprinter oils at a
www.blauparts.com
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Some of my recent thoughts about newer MB oil specifications.
Anymore the newer MB oil specifications are not about avoiding blowing up your engine. Any good quality (not necessarily expensive) turbo diesel engine oil will work for the mechanical parts. The issues are emissions system service life (DPF) and maybe playing better with biodiesel blends.
Mercedes seems always to be very conservative with recommended fluids and service intervals. The question in mind is the difference between a SAP of 0.8 as recommended vs the more common SAP of 1.0 or less that many vehicle manufacturers are happy with. Does that difference significantly reduce the service life of the Sprinter DPF, or just reduce it a bit?
The above comment is just musing. As a T1N owner I don't have a dog in the race. The reality is that a DPF is expensive to replace.
As to what the MB229.52 spec includes over MB229.51...
The information is out there is you dig around. The differences between MB229.51 and MB229.52 spec may not apply at all to owners of older model Sprinters. The original fluid specs in the Operator Manual always apply.
The MB229.52 "improvements" are not about avoiding blowing up your engine. The mechanical part of the oil hasn't changed from MB229.5 spec. It is the emissions part that changed.
MB 229.52
Oils meeting this specifications must have lower ash content, at least 1% better fuel economy compared to the requirements of MB 229.31 and MB 229.51 and better oxidation stability for biofuel compatibility. Can also be used where an MB 229.31 or an MB 229.51 oil is required. Just like MB 229.5 and MB 229.51 this spec requires a long life oil.
Will you notice a theoretical 1% better fuel economy during real world operation? Do you use a high percentage of biodiesel? Mercedes has always been fine with up to 5% biodiesel blend. That was before MB229.52 oil was rolled out.
If the mechanical condition of your engine is the concern then an owner should stay with the approved oil that still contains some of the tried and true additives that work for that. Many of those additives have been reduced or eliminated for reasons of emissions system longevity, not for the betterment of the mechanical parts.
Proper viscosity for your service areas should be included in your selection of engine oil.
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