OK - did some research on this:I'm also thinking it is providing oxygen to the diesel burning process. That in and of it's self can be a big boost. I'd expect that the hydrogen only partially burns with the oxygen as the hydrogen has this diesel competitor. Remember air is only 20ish percent oxygen. The unit would be outputting a gss mix that is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen, or 33% oxygen.
1. The lye causes a more productive electrolysis of water when heated (electrolysis of water heats the water) to produce the HHO (two parts hydrogen (H2 gas) and one part oxygen (02 gas) by volume). If you recall the statements of tymbo, he reminded us that the [simple] electrolysis of water produces less energy in a hydrogen/oxygen burning reaction than the energy required to break the bonds. In this device, they've added NaOH, which makes for a more productive electrolysis than simple electrolysis and remains unchanged during the electrolysis.
2. Though HHO in correct proportion and in a great concentration produces an incredible energy release, this energy release is not what is creating the efficiency.
- Air volume too great in comparison to the HHO produced by this device - the mixture of the HHO produced by this machine when combined with the air from the intake is not enough concentration to see the HHO become H2O.
- Hydrogen-Hydrogen bonds are harder to break than hydrogen-carbon bonds; and in the absence of a spark, the hydrocarbons will burn first in this dilute mixture of gases and petroleum.
- The technical help desk from this site claims that the device only makes the fuel burn more efficient.
Re: Ticket 2713, Responded
Dear Tim Rich
A new message has been added to the service request #2713.
Hello Tim,
The HHO makes the fuel burn more efficient.
Thanks
John
You can view and update your inquiry here:
Ticket 2713 http://savefuel.ca/support/ttx.cgi?cmd=ticket&key=2713Z2942242176889255246
ACCESS KEY: 2713Z2942242176889255246
Consider that our natural environment atmosphere contains hydrogen and oxygen. If the hydrogen was easily excitable to bond with oxygen every time that there was a fire (think camp fires, propane/natural gas stoves, industrial fuel consumption, forest fires, prairie fires, etc.) then we'd have the vocal environmentally concerned crowd include a decreased hydrogen content of the atmosphere in their reasons to not burn fossil fuels. We live in a balanced, safe natural world that is governed by a set of natural laws to maintain a safe, balanced, natural environment for us. If hydrogen were easily combined with oxygen, we'd have consumed all the hydrogen LONG ago. Its hard to for me think that the world we live in just happened without design. It's just too balanced.
I think that the inventor of this device stumbled on something without understanding the science that is involved.
I'm still concerned about the installation/operational issues with this device.
- The device should only start on engine RUNNING and should stop before the engine stops to clear all concentrations of HHO for maximum safety. I'm thinking that somebody may leave the key on (kids to listen to the radio, etc.) and build up a concentration that would be enough to cause damage to people and property.
- The plastics in the intake system where this device is connected should be expected to have decreased life, especially if the device builds up concentrations when the engine is not running. Concentrated amounts of hydrogen can cause early failure of plastic parts.
I'd still like to hear about others who've installed or had friends install these in their vehicles. Doing the math, I can't afford to install one to save fuel - as much as I drive, I don't drive enough to pay back in less than 2 years at today's prices ( especially since I'm producing more and more bio-diesel from WVO and should be free from the pump by the end of the year - except for long trips). My neighbor manages a few Sprinters for a company not willing to do bio-diesel and this might be a real benefit to them.
Regards,
Tim
PS - if you are environmentally concerned, don't feel that I've insulted you. A few of my friends think I'm overly concerned about the environment; however, I try to be balanced, prudent, and practical in my actions. It is sometimes amazing the bad science that is foisted onto the un-suspecting public. But that is another subject.
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