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bobmac 02-21-2019 05:22 PM

316 CDI engine replacement
 
My failed 2002 4x4 MWB is still sitting in the shop yard in Hobart waiting for a final check before the engine is condemned. The shop is hung up working on a Ford Transit which has been endless trouble for them and they are suggesting if the engine needs replacement I might get on the road sooner if I find another shop not so busy.

https://sprinter-source.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=73321

If I need a replacement engine does anyone have a preferred source in Tasmania or in Melbourne? Or any words of advice?

Can anyone recommend a shop in Hobart or Kingston to do an engine replacement?

Thanks in advance for any comments/suggestions/recommendations,
Bob M on Bruny Island for another month plus before returning to Brisbane

Eric Experience 02-21-2019 11:40 PM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
Bob.
Since you asked about an engine I realize I have one of unknown condition,I drove the vehicle onto the property but that was a few years ago. Your posting about fuel use after changing injectors explains the piston failure, excess fuel melts pistons. using second hand injectors was a mistake. Eric.

bobmac 02-22-2019 12:15 AM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
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Originally Posted by Eric Experience (Post 744413)
Bob.
Since you asked about an engine I realize I have one of unknown condition,I drove the vehicle onto the property but that was a few years ago. Your posting about fuel use after changing injectors explains the piston failure, excess fuel melts pistons. using second hand injectors was a mistake. Eric.

They were not second hand injectors Eric. They were new injectors. The vehicle was in the shop to get the locking rear diff operable. I saw a post of yours later about using methanol to clean the vacuum to pressure relay 'booster'. I asked for the old one back, so will try to rejuvenate it for later use if need be. While it was in the shop I opted to have the injectors replaced as I have zero maintenance history and the vehicle was using more fuel than the same engine was in my long and tall ex-patient transporter. The 4x4 has losses from the front end being driven by the road, but being lighter and lower I though it might do as well on fuel consumption.

The excess fuel was not going into the cylinder, it was leaking off at the common rail take off to each injector. Mileage when it came out of the shop, on the first on-road tank, was 12.6 l/100 km. After 3 fills going to NT/WA it was up to 23.51 before it was visible.

My last tank, the day of the cylinder failure, was 11.5 l/100 km which is the ongoing average and which suits me.

The injectors came from a shop I have used before to test Troopie injectors and to replace injectors in my long and tall when it was throwing out injector codes. I trust them. The shop that did the replacement is owned by an M-B trained German, but I believe his new apprentice was the workman. And not enough supervision perhaps. The German owner and his Aussie 2IC are good techs, but a couple of things were not done well on that extended stay. A 2 or 3 day job became 3 weeks. So much depends on the worker himself.

The shop the vehicle was towed to in Hobart wants to do one more test before condemning the engine (cylinder).

I'd probably be wise to go to a 'proper' rebuild or re-manufactured engine, but using one from you might be an option. What sort of time and cost would you be looking at for removing it and shipping to Hobart? I have not determined availability of a re-manufactured one here yet. I thought it might be wise to let the shop doing the work choose the source. Comments?

Thanks for the input and I should be in on the way north in very early April.
Bob M

Charliektm400exc 02-22-2019 06:48 AM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
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Originally Posted by bobmac (Post 744215)
My failed 2002 4x4 MWB is still sitting in the shop yard in Hobart waiting for a final check before the engine is condemned. The shop is hung up working on a Ford Transit which has been endless trouble for them and they are suggesting if the engine needs replacement I might get on the road sooner if I find another shop not so busy.

https://sprinter-source.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=73321

If I need a replacement engine does anyone have a preferred source in Tasmania or in Melbourne? Or any words of advice?

Can anyone recommend a shop in Hobart or Kingston to do an engine replacement?

Thanks in advance for any comments/suggestions/recommendations,
Bob M on Bruny Island for another month plus before returning to Brisbane

Iíve used two shops for my sprinter

Specialist auto in Melville st. But they can be expensive.

Lately Iíve been using Fleetway in Moonah. Really nice guys and prices are better

Charlie

Eric Experience 02-22-2019 08:15 AM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
Bob.
Please explain where you sourced the injectors, you say they came from a company that tested Toyota units. Do you have any documents about the purchase? Eric.

bobmac 02-22-2019 07:30 PM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
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Originally Posted by Eric Experience (Post 744544)
Bob.
Please explain where you sourced the injectors, you say they came from a company that tested Toyota units. Do you have any documents about the purchase? Eric.

KM Diesel in Brendale was the source Eric. If I'm lucky their invoice is attached to this email.

They are not M-B specific, they are primarily an injector shop and use Bosch products. They test but do not yet do injector rebuilds (as of a couple of years ago). The injectors should be new Bosch units.

If you suspect they are used or rebuilt I can go back to them and ask. The shop has been in business for some time and the two fellows who run it seem knowledgeable. They were recommended to be by a shop I approached about rebuilding my Troopie engine. Their suggestion was to have KM check the injectors first.

When KM did that they pronounced the injectors as, '4 working like new, 2 dribbling a bit, but not enough to replace.' So I felt they were honest enough not to be trying to sell injectors. The Troopie had close to 400,000 km on it at that time.

https://www.kmdiesel.com.au/
Bob M

bobmac 02-22-2019 07:58 PM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Charliektm400exc (Post 744533)
Iíve used two shops for my sprinter

Specialist auto in Melville st. But they can be expensive.

Lately Iíve been using Fleetway in Moonah. Really nice guys and prices are better

Charlie

I used Specialist Auto a few years ago Charlie when I had a long and tall ex-patient transporter here which was mysteriously having engine flame outs and maybe/maybe not restarting. They have a very good trouble shooter who was recommended to me by RACT. He came very close after the third visit and second tow-in to finding the problem. It was cracked/cold solder joints in the Bosch ECU. He resoldered them, but not on the side with leads coming out. A sharp auto sparky in Devonport found that.

Yes, they are expensive. I asked them about taking the tow-in when this vehicle was on the roadside but they did not have space to work on it. The long tall one three years ago was towed into a sister shop on Harrington St., around the corner from JP Automotive who have the current one. I'll look into the Fleetway shop. I filled in a reply form for another Moonah shop yesterday (Howell) but heard nothing back. Scott, at JP Auto, tell me shops would rather work on brakes and clutches where the money is easier.

I'll contact Fleetway on Monday morning. I may phone M-B parts in Melb this morning to check on re-manufactured engine availability.
Thanks for the input,
Bob M 2002 4x4 Qld ex-ambo rescue vehicle running on 4 cylinders

Eric Experience 02-23-2019 12:53 AM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
Bob
Thanks for sending the docket. Does indicate they are not MB which are over $1k They could be the French copies. Eric.

bobmac 02-23-2019 10:22 AM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
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Originally Posted by Eric Experience (Post 744754)
Bob
Thanks for sending the docket. Does indicate they are not MB which are over $1k They could be the French copies. Eric.

Do M-B make their own injectors Eric, or they a Bosch manufactured item like their ECUs?
Bpb

Eric Experience 02-23-2019 10:43 AM

Re: 316 CDI engine replacement
 
Bob.
The factory injectors are made by Bosch, they are model specific and have batch numbers on them, they need to be matched up with the VIN. The rail pressure and opening speed vary year to year. The quality of the fuel filter improves year to year as the injectors get finer clearances, so it is best matched up to the vin also. Eric.


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