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TheSandman13 05-11-2018 09:39 PM

2019 4x4
 
Curious if anyone else has gotten information on the 2019 4x4.

I visited one of my local Mercedes dealers today, and met with their Sprinter specialist. He told me that they had a conference call a couple days ago, and verified that the 2019 4-wheel drive, would actually be an all-wheel drive. In addition, it probably would not have the additional 4" of lift that the current 4x4 has. On a positive note, he said the new all-wheel drive option would be less expensive to add than the current 4x4 version does.

I think I had already read something about the all wheel drive, but the part about the additional clearance going away came as a little surprise.

Can anyone verify if this is accurate?

Wrinkledpants 05-14-2018 01:28 PM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
All the literature I have read shows shiftable 4x4. That said, AWD without a lift would make more logical sense as I doubt any of the non-vanlifers actually use the extra offroad angles gained with the lift.

4wheeldog 05-14-2018 07:08 PM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
Unless they do something different with the driveline, I don't know how the 4x4 could be lowered.
The primary reason for the extra height on primarily rear drive vehicles when 4x4 is added is for the driveshaft to the front to pass under the transmission.
The alternative is do something like move the front differential off to the side, with the front driveshaft next to the transmission rather than under it.
If in fact the new 4x4 is lower, then perhaps it is a front drive with an added driveshaft to the back. Which would be a whole different design.

TheSandman13 05-14-2018 07:30 PM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrinkledpants (Post 653236)
All the literature I have read shows shiftable 4x4. That said, AWD without a lift would make more logical sense as I doubt any of the non-vanlifers actually use the extra offroad angles gained with the lift.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4wheeldog (Post 653360)
Unless they do something different with the driveline, I don't know how the 4x4 could be lowered.
The primary reason for the extra height on primarily rear drive vehicles when 4x4 is added is for the driveshaft to the front to pass under the transmission.
The alternative is do something like move the front differential off to the side, with the front driveshaft next to the transmission rather than under it.
If in fact the new 4x4 is lower, then perhaps it is a front drive with an added driveshaft to the back. Which would be a whole different design.


I hope you're right. I was set on waiting for the 2019 4x4. But I really want it as much for the extra clearance as for the 4 wheel drive itself. The way he explained it, it will be similar to some current Mercedes vehicles that can be ordered in either All-Wheel (4Matic?) drive, or 2-wheel drive. The stance of the vehicles doesn't change. He said that was the first question that they all asked when they started getting more info. He said they should get more definitive info very soon. I probably asked him 3 different times to make sure I heard him correctly. He said either All-wheel drive or 2WD models. He said there won't be a 4x4 as we know it currently where you can switch it on the vehicle.

I did watch one of the review videos from Amsterdam that had some charts on the wall for the journalists. I thought I saw All wheel drive listed when they panned by with the camera.

It might change what I decide to order once it's confirmed.

slobrewer 05-15-2018 09:25 PM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
So what do you mean by all-wheel drive versus 4-wheel drive? For all intents and purposes the current Sprinter 4x4 is selectable all-wheel drive with an optional low range gear box. There are differentials at both the front and rear axles and at the transfer case so it's safe to use on the road even when traction is high. The vehicle uses traction control (essentially the ABS system components) to prevent wheel slippage. Interestingly this is pretty common and basically the same approach Toyota uses on their current Tacoma 4x4 trucks.

The terminology in this space hasn't been used consistently by car manufacturers or consumers. So saying that they're going from 4-wheel drive to all-wheel drive isn't clear. Are they dropping the low-range gear box option? Getting rid of the ability to switch to just RWD?

4wheeldog 05-15-2018 09:41 PM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slobrewer (Post 653851)
So what do you mean by all-wheel drive versus 4-wheel drive? For all intents and purposes the current Sprinter 4x4 is selectable all-wheel drive with an optional low range gear box. There are differentials at both the front and rear axles and at the transfer case so it's safe to use on the road even when traction is high. The vehicle uses traction control (essentially the ABS system components) to prevent wheel slippage. Interestingly this is pretty common and basically the same approach Toyota uses on their current Tacoma 4x4 trucks.

The terminology in this space hasn't been used consistently by car manufacturers or consumers. So saying that they're going from 4-wheel drive to all-wheel drive isn't clear. Are they dropping the low-range gear box option? Getting rid of the ability to switch to just RWD?

I doubt that the sales guy at the dealership has any special knowledge.
But I can see a full time AWD being built based on a front wheel drive based Sprinter chassis. This would be an advantage on road, but likely not as useful in the dirt or deep snow.
I suppose we will find out in the next few months.

err 05-15-2018 09:57 PM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
The current Sprinter is not a 4x4 in the traditional sense in that it does not have a locking center differential. It is an AWD system with an open center differential. It's confusing because it's a rare bird that its AWD is both selectable and optionally available with low range but it is absolutely not what most people think of when they think "4x4". I am under the impression that the current system is nearly identical to the 4Matic system they use in other vehicles but with the added selectable and low-range features tacked on. It would be interesting to hear from an MB tech on this.

I also agree with @4wheeldog in that we'd be talking a complete departure from the current physical layout of the drivetrain to keep the Sprinter at the height of a 2wd version. Totally possible, but sounds unlikely.

Mostly, I have nothing to add and just wanted to jump on the speculation bandwagon! :D

TheSandman13 05-15-2018 10:24 PM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
You guys are definitely more knowledgeable about the current vans than I am. All I know is what he told me, and I'm hoping that it's not accurate. I really was looking at the 4wd version more for the clearance than anything. I have some land that has some approach and departure angles on the dirt roads that can be a little steep, and that extra 4" of clearance would make a big difference. They aren't any issue at all in my Jeep or in my sons Tundra, but the van could be a different issue.

Hopefully more information will be coming out soon. I decided to wait on the 2019, so it will be a while before I can order one anyway.

mofo989 05-17-2018 05:27 AM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
Excuse me, but why was a 2019 model year discussion moved to a NCV3 forum? 2019 is a new design and therefore not an NCV3.

4wheeldog 05-17-2018 01:08 PM

Re: 2019 4x4
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mofo989 (Post 654293)
Excuse me, but why was a 2019 model year discussion moved to a NCV3 forum? 2019 is a new design and therefore not an NCV3.

I believe it is here because it is a 4x4 topic. But you do have a point.


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