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gerrym51
04-05-2007, 03:18 PM
another reason for gas(at least in my house)

wife: whats that racket under the van. it sounds like its going to explode,
and it stinks in here.

gerry: thats the DPF doing its regenerate cycle. it happens periodically,
so it could happen when your driving the van alone. the dpf is something we
have to endure so that we can drive the "new clean burning diesel engine"

wife: who the hell told you that?

gerry: the guys at sprinter-forum.

wife:(as she gives gerry the "LOOK"). are you nuts? i'm not driving in a van
that erupts and stinks. "its either me or the diesel".

gerry:(as he pauses to think "HMM".)

gerry: yes dear. I'll get a gas engine

Altered Sprinter
04-05-2007, 03:22 PM
Alright you win entry for the gas model. what a Gas funny:lol:
Question who was the loudest complaining the DW or the DPF?
Richard

sikwan
04-05-2007, 05:04 PM
Alright you win entry for the gas model.

Either that or he needs a new wife. :shhh: :lol:

:smilewink:

Seek

abittenbinder
04-05-2007, 07:05 PM
Either that or he needs a new wife. :shhh: :lol:

:smilewink:

Seek

More likely- she needs a new husband. Doktor A

sikwan
04-05-2007, 07:46 PM
More likely- she needs a new husband. Doktor A

:laughing:

hammerdown
04-05-2007, 10:04 PM
:laughing:

she needs to get a clue, and he needs to get a spine.

gerrym51
04-06-2007, 02:40 AM
most men talk tough- until our wives are around.
I'm keeping my wife- i hope she keeps me

gerry

Naga418
04-06-2007, 04:51 AM
I can't count the number of times I have said this "there are many things you have to get straightened out before you walk down the isle".

1. Gas is something we all produce and it has to go somewhere (just not in my van".
2. If she is hot, she is hot and I am going to look.
3. Too many other things to cover here, but you get the point.


Have fun in your poor fuel mileage, worn out long before mine gas van. Just kidding of course.

frostback
04-08-2007, 06:09 PM
It's all in the lead up. If you previously drove a POS Vanagon that left you stranded all the time with breakdowns, your wife would be as happy with a Sprinter as mine is. :smirk:

gerrym51
04-08-2007, 06:17 PM
not the neww 2007 and beyond with DPF that periodically goes into regen-
burns and stinks. my wife might suffer in silence but she would
make me miserable

poolmike
04-09-2007, 12:02 AM
Pam loves our Sprinter and actually looks forward to getting our next one(swb, short top, awd, DIESEL) for her.

gerrym51
04-09-2007, 01:53 AM
make sure she is aware of the DPF. my post started by refering
to 2007 and later models with this feature. all the replys i have had to
my various posts on this have the 2006 and earlier.
only in europe(and australia( right richard)) where they are one
model year earlier than have this feature. look at arne's german
website


gerry

poolmike
04-09-2007, 02:44 AM
We drove the '07 for roughly 65 miles, never heard anything. How often does it do this??

gerrym51
04-09-2007, 03:13 AM
go to pictures on the main page and select arnies small sprinter
he answers some questions, also read thru the posts particle diesel
filter and beyond for 2007 sprinter.

i am not saying that diesel sprinter is no good. what i am saying is
that the diesel world starting in 2007 is going to be different then prior
years because of new EPA emissions rules.

the
dpf has intermitent cleaniing cycles depending on the driving you do.

the regeneration cycle sounds terrible and stinks up the van

don't take my word for it

research the subject

gerry

Altered Sprinter
04-09-2007, 03:53 AM
Guys , I think there are some differences in the PDF configuration in different sectors as to how the emission controls exhaust system is set up
First up My 2005 Sprinter was a custom set up the same as the 2007 Sprinters the main PDF is there the same as the 2007 model then directly behind there is a standard particulate main exhaust that complies to 2003 Emission standards this acts as a filter trap being a very large muffler.
When it goes into a recycle there is only a slight rumble like a V8 burbling at the traffics light's, there is a slight increase from the crank case emitting a higher aromic fume it's only noticeable if I have the air vents open under fan control either for cool air or heat, I shut it down no cabin smells same as if I get stuck behind an older Metro Bus that has no exhaust emissions on it, I do get sick from the smells so I'm sensitive to out side Diesel fumes from an older vehicle.
Again no one has said what is directly behind the DPF on your 2007 Sprinters? There should be a Main exhaust with Genuine Mercedes markings on the bottom of the muffler, on long wheel base units with the large 518 CDI V6, there is another small oval shaped muffler at the end just before the diff, this is for one use only a resonator to baffle out the sound, as there is no other filter in that small unit. in other words a total of three units the DPF a the secondary standard Particulate filter which is on the Older Sprinters 2006 back wards in the USA followed by the small no descriptive oval resonator towards the end of the exhaust unit [Only on long wheel base units]
I asked the lads what sounds are coming form the 2006 unit = to your 2007 Sprinter' from it!" as this vehicle is stationed up in the Northern Territory of Australia, Quote 'Just a slight rumble, no big deal Boss" No smells Boss! Just a bad one from Johnny if any one needs a PDF he does :lol:as for the wife, woman aren't allowed up here it's too hard on them , it's tough living up on the top end when its hits a 133 F
So what is directly behind the PDF of the US sprinters ? or have they put two exhaust systems on it for the top five states and the lesser ones for the other 45 states.if you have the lesser exhaust then I suppose the burnt out soot has no where to go except out of the pipe and some of it will blow back through the front crankcase vent and it's not supposed to in my opinion.If it is missing then this may explain the large noise emittance as well as vibration
Richard:popcorn:
Richard

gerrym51
04-09-2007, 04:20 AM
richard,

there nothing wrong with the diesel. i just feel that people should know
up front whats going to happen with the DPF. as arne said owners were
pulling to the side of the road running away thinking it was going to explode

i realize its just regeneration and is only noisy and stinks for awhile..
imagine if his wife buys the van not knowing this and suddenly it happens
at x number of miles.

maybe she's a different type of hardier women than my wife.

all i can say is most woman i deal with hate noises and smells in their
vehicles. if she knows it up front and still wants one

more power to her

gerry


most of the posters on this site are men.

Altered Sprinter
04-09-2007, 04:56 AM
Hi Jerry
I'm just trying to work out what's under that dam van?
As for Woman, well every one I have ever met, cover their own natural odor with Perfume like, no wonder we can't keep away from them, maybe an additive in the fuel would solve the smell anyone for Chenille no 5:laughing:
And to think it comes from whale vomit! Yuk:crazy:
Richard

gerrym51
04-10-2007, 04:26 PM
More likely- she needs a new husband. Doktor A

DR. A,

my wife wants to know if your available


gerry

abittenbinder
04-10-2007, 04:40 PM
DR. A,
my wife wants to know if your available
gerry

Sorry -I'm not her type. I smell of diesel fuel and I'm VERY noisy. Doktor A

sikwan
04-10-2007, 05:15 PM
:laughing: :bounce:

abittenbinder
04-10-2007, 06:18 PM
Sorry -I'm not her type. I smell of diesel fuel and I'm VERY noisy. Doktor A

In addition-my food regeneration cycle makes for MORE fireworks than an '07 Sprinter regenerating soot at top speed on the German Autobahn(and trailing a 12 foot flame).
Please ask your wife to stop calling me. How did she get that private unlisted phone number! Doktor A

gerrym51
04-11-2007, 03:21 AM
In addition-my food regeneration cycle makes for MORE fireworks than an '07 Sprinter regenerating soot at top speed on the German Autobahn(and trailing a 12 foot flame).
Please ask your wife to stop calling me. How did she get that private unlisted phone number! Doktor A

well ok,
i guess she's stuck with me

gerry

BaywoodBill
04-11-2007, 07:17 PM
'07 Sprinter regenerating soot at top speed on the German Autobahn(and trailing a 12 foot flame).



The flame is a joke, right? The thing I'm wondering about this DPF regeneration is the logic of trapping the soot and then burning it when it might be more efficient to burn it as it's generated.:thinking:

gerrym51
04-11-2007, 07:34 PM
The flame is a joke, right? The thing I'm wondering about this DPF regeneration is the logic of trapping the soot and then burning it when it might be more efficient to burn it as it's generated.:thinking:

yes baywood bill the 12 foot flame part is a joke.
the DPF regenerates but does not shoot flame.( unless it malfunctions
like the one on the ford diesel dpf).

i believe the dpf does do some continuous burning but periodically
must do a more powerful burn. Richard(altered sprinter) and Arne
understand this better than I.

gerry

Altered Sprinter
04-12-2007, 02:30 PM
yes baywood bill the 12 foot flame part is a joke.
the DPF regenerates but does not shoot flame.( unless it malfunctions
like the one on the ford diesel dpf).

i believe the dpf does do some continuous burning but periodically
must do a more powerful burn. Richard(altered sprinter) and Arne
understand this better than I.

gerry
Hey gerry, we have to admit it was a learning experience:thumbup: for all
After all no one actually said whats behind the US sprinter as of yet?
where the thing is DPF.
So to close it out I thought of this
What's a mobile confessional for advanced Priests
and bad boys and girls
used for?
OBERLAND!
MBBeichter

YouTube - MBeichter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBL6e5bPoNU)

Richard
Thank heavens for little boys and girls
That music reminded me of
Maurice Chevalier
1617
1742http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_12_12.gif

gerrym51
04-29-2007, 08:46 PM
barb,

welcome to the forum

gerry

SprinterUSA1
11-19-2007, 03:34 AM
..............

the regeneration cycle sounds terrible and stinks up the van

don't take my word for it

research the subject

gerry


Gerry,


this is an older thread and there have been others since.
Did you buy your gas van, yet? I am not sure which Sprinter Diesel you drove. But mine has gone through two cycles already and guess what? I could only "hear" it because I had the radio off and no one to talk to since I am riding lonely every day. Otherwise I probably would not have noticed it at all. And it did not stink up the van either nor did it smell outside. Arne seems to have problems because he made after market mods to his exhaust and it seems to not like that.
Everybody else writing they thought the van was going to explode must have very sensitive ears. Ortmaybe they just improved the DPF in a very short period of time. :idunno:



SprinterUSA1

BaywoodBill
11-19-2007, 05:53 PM
That's good to know. I hope it's not just that your hearing is less acute than those who thought the van was exploding. :laughing:

Also, as I recollect, Gerry did get his gas-powered Sprinter.

sikwan
11-19-2007, 06:15 PM
Also, as I recollect, Gerry did get his gas-powered Sprinter.

How did I miss THAT!?!

Altered Sprinter
11-20-2007, 04:41 AM
That's good to know. I hope it's not just that your hearing is less acute than those who thought the van was exploding. :laughing:

Also, as I recollect, Gerry did get his gas-powered Sprinter.
Nar. your dreaming Jerry is at least a year or two before he gets it
JerryO and Jerrym51 two different members
Jerry come out and lay claim to fame
Did you or did you not:smilewink:
Richard

gerrym51
11-20-2007, 01:27 PM
Nar. your dreaming Jerry is at least a year or two before he gets it
JerryO and Jerrym51 two different members
Jerry come out and lay claim to fame
Did you or did you not:smilewink:
Richard

I am gerrym51 thats with a G. i have no other user names.
i have yet to get the sprinter. waiting for more user data
on gas engine.

i love looking at all posts even if nobody agrees with me.

:bounce:

Altered Sprinter
11-20-2007, 10:04 PM
On Ya' Buddy. With the way the economy is heading:yell: the gas data will be sure to rise.:smilewink:
Richard

jdcaples
11-21-2007, 12:23 AM
I've noticed an inventory of 3.5L gas Sprinters in the Seattle area. Looking at dealership lots as I pass by them on the road, it seems most of 3.0 diesels are gone.

Gerry, if you're going to jump and you don't mind taking one off the lot, I think your window of most-favorable negotiations is approaching.

It'll be tough to move those 2007 Sprinters between Thanksgiving and Xmas....

-Jon

gerrym51
11-21-2007, 01:13 AM
I've noticed an inventory of 3.5L gas Sprinters in the Seattle area. Looking at dealership lots as I pass by them on the road, it seems most of 3.0 diesels are gone.

Gerry, if you're going to jump and you don't mind taking one off the lot, I think your window of most-favorable negotiations is approaching.

It'll be tough to move those 2007 Sprinters between Thanksgiving and Xmas....

-Jon

Jon,

thanks for the info. However, i have very specific requirements
in what i want i will probably have to order.

i have actually checked just about every dealership in US
on dodges website and have not found even one sprinter
with my requirements.


I am looking for a high roof, passenger 140, with rear power
sunroof. gas engine. i have not found a single one in any dodge
dealership.


gerry:bounce::bounce:

sikwan
11-21-2007, 01:21 AM
I am looking for a high roof, passenger 140, with rear power
sunroof. gas engine. i have not found a single one in any dodge
dealership.

Are you planning on selling your passenger seats?

If you get the power rear sunroof, I don't think you can get rear A/C. For a van like the Sprinter, the rear A/C is a must have.

gerrym51
11-21-2007, 01:26 AM
Are you planning on selling your passenger seats?

If you get the power rear sunroof, I don't think you can get rear A/C. For a van like the Sprinter, the rear A/C is a must have.


Seek,

you are correct. you cannot get rear air with the rear power
sunroof. thats why no dealer has one. but that's
what i intend to get. i will keep the rear seats even though i will be removing them.
so i can put them back in the future and sell the van. i intend to make it a temporary
conversion/camper van that has removeable insides

:bounce:

Altered Sprinter
11-21-2007, 05:04 AM
Seek,

you are correct. you cannot get rear air with the rear power
sunroof. thats why no dealer has one. but that's
what i intend to get. i will keep the rear seats even though i will be removing them.
so i can put them back in the future and sell the van. i intend to make it a temporary
conversion/camper van that has removeable insides

:bounce:
Then you'd better look at ordering the correct suspension package:thinking: if you going to use it as a camper, the passenger springs two off will not work under load on the 2500 series. That means a six month wait and a higher price again :shhh:
In theory you can not order this combination as a passenger/ camper package:hmmm: but from the US side it appears that you can.
Richard.

gerrym51
11-21-2007, 01:54 PM
Then you'd better look at ordering the correct suspension package:thinking: if you going to use it as a camper, the passenger springs two off will not work under load on the 2500 series. That means a six month wait and a higher price again :shhh:
In theory you can not order this combination as a passenger/ camper package:hmmm: but from the US side it appears that you can.
Richard.

richard,

perhaps i misled. mostly as a touring van with relatively light
weight inside. can be used for overnight sleeping if needed.
passenger weight limits ok


:bow:

Altered Sprinter
11-21-2007, 04:22 PM
richard,

perhaps i misled. mostly as a touring van with relatively light
weight inside. can be used for overnight sleeping if needed.
passenger weight limits ok


:bow: Ah'r bare bone essentials no propane gas, :smilewink: fridge, inverters, DVD food chest , tent sleeping bags stove, PC, fax, phones, microwave, toaster, Kettle, coffee tea, sugar, butter, fishing gear, Moth swatter, fly spray, areogaurd, or camera!!!! :thinking: OK your safe for the trip , Gee your traveling light.
Richard

gerrym51
11-21-2007, 04:57 PM
Ah'r bare bone essentials no propane gas, :smilewink: fridge, inverters, DVD food chest , tent sleeping bags stove, PC, fax, phones, microwave, toaster, Kettle, coffee tea, sugar, butter, fishing gear, Moth swatter, fly spray, areogaurd, or camera!!!! :thinking: OK your safe for the trip , Gee your traveling light.
Richard

unfortunely the wife's not as enthusiastic as i am.
ergo the trade-offs

:cry:

BaywoodBill
11-21-2007, 06:09 PM
i have yet to get the sprinter. waiting for more user data
on gas engine.

Sorry Folks. I was wrong. gerrym51 did not yet get his Sprinter. Must have been some other spark plug lover I was thinking of.:rolleyes:

gerrym51
11-22-2007, 04:56 PM
On Ya' Buddy. With the way the economy is heading:yell: the gas data will be sure to rise.:smilewink:
Richard

Richard,
i can't speak for all parts of the world or even all
parts of USA.

But,
the diesel price at a station i drive by is now
55 cents higher than regular gasoline and 35 cents higher
than premium.

this is in western Ma.

gerry :idunno:

SprinterUSA1
11-22-2007, 05:58 PM
..............
the diesel price at a station i drive by is now
55 cents higher than regular gasoline and 35 cents higher
than premium.

this is in western Ma.

gerry :idunno:



Did you have to bring it up again :thinking: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:


SprinterUSA1

gerrym51
11-22-2007, 06:31 PM
Did you have to bring it up again :thinking: :cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:


SprinterUSA1

what can i say. facts are facts.


:2cents:

Altered Sprinter
11-22-2007, 10:14 PM
Just to keep it in respective
Two months back Diesel was AU $1.35.9 a liter November late now AU $148.9 It's jumped 40 cents in the last twelve months. Since 2004 Fuel has risen 42%
Mind you unleaded is at $1.39.00 liter
Premium 100% octane now exceeds AU $153.9 Liter
Best Christmas present yet to come ...It's going up and up and up
How much more can you afford.
The best decision I ever made was to buy a Diesel On the funny side of life I'm seriously thinking of recyling the fumes, there must be some life left in the blow out ,to regenerate another stroke on two on number 4 :lol:
looking at the 2008 models, bigger faster engines and they use more gas:shhh:
Richard

gerrym51
11-22-2007, 11:48 PM
Just to keep it in respective
Two months back Diesel was AU $1.35.9 a liter November late now AU $148.9 It's jumped 40 cents in the last twelve months. Since 2004 Fuel has risen 42%
Mind you unleaded is at $1.39.00 liter
Premium 100% octane now exceeds AU $153.9 Liter
Best Christmas present yet to come ...It's going up and up and up
How much more can you afford.
The best decision I ever made was to buy a Diesel On the funny side of life I'm seriously thinking of recyling the fumes, there must be some life left in the blow out ,to regenerate another stroke on two on number 4 :lol:
looking at the 2008 models, bigger faster engines and they use more gas:shhh:
Richard


They also use more diesel


:tongue:

Altered Sprinter
11-23-2007, 05:14 AM
Which is why we have multiple choose of Diesel engines on the last 4-inline it has no power loss as it uses not one but two turbos and those super economical engines hit up to 40 MPG depending on model of course different fuel different fuel pressure bar set :tongue:
Ain't life grand:smilewink: Gee can you image taking out a mortgage when the price of oils peaks at two hundred dollars a barrel and your boss is trying to cut you wages back further cause he can't buy the latest Lear Jet
Keep it up and some dudes going steal the pump handle when the ink well runs dry. Answer increase horse power add 12 horses and feed them a double helping of corn mash
forget the DPF :cry:the horses times 12.. will work that out on a regular basis:lol:.
Have a great Christmas jerry.

Richard

SprinterUSA1
11-23-2007, 11:50 AM
Richard,

only one problem with this picture. There is only one option for the Diesel in the Sprinter stateside. Since they have been "spoiled" with V8 and up Merc had to at least offer them the V6. And as we all know now---the mileage is not so hot with them.

Also, and I do not know where he got his info from, Rennsprinter told me that the V6 Diesel really only have 158 HP as stated on various sites :thumbdown::thumbdown: instead of 184HP. That is stateside only.

I would have to get mine tested to confirm. If this is the case I would imagine it is just governed and can be taken out. Not sure why this would be unless it has to do with emissions? :idunno:



SprinterUSA1

Altered Sprinter
11-23-2007, 02:11 PM
Richard,

only one problem with this picture. There is only one option for the Diesel in the Sprinter stateside. Since they have been "spoiled" with V8 and up Merc had to at least offer them the V6. And as we all know now---the mileage is not so hot with them.

Also, and I do not know where he got his info from, Rennsprinter told me that the V6 Diesel really only have 158 HP as stated on various sites :thumbdown::thumbdown: instead of 184HP. That is stateside only.

I would have to get mine tested to confirm. If this is the case I would imagine it is just governed and can be taken out. Not sure why this would be unless it has to do with emissions? :idunno:



SprinterUSA1 I'll be straight with you on this Today I was told don't look too hard and that was a warning from the lower ranks of MB down under.
read into it as much as you want .
Here is a local PDF that is the same in Europe it's on a 3500 series cab chassis single rear wheel job our single rear wheels no wide hub hit 4.4 GVM where yours are dual wheel units.
It will show the true ratings for both the Gas and Diesel engine
Dodge showed the US V6 as a 515 CDi 4-inline engine and even then they still got it part wrong.
4877
There may be an older engine being sold in the States
Maybe?
4878
On the US sprinter the exhaust is a lesser unit as to the Euro 4 main rear exhaust as the Sprinter has the same PDF but the comparison on that back exhaust is less even the US cab unit has only one small resonator at the rear of the truck , Why your on Euro 3 emission standards for the Sprinter sedans are higher so the reason is they do not have to have the same emission standards as sedans. in the States. because of Ford and GM being on exemption untill 2009
With the new Sprinters in Europe they have better fuels and even the V6 on the Vito has a massive 220 HP rating with a 2000 pi bar setting much more fuel efficient, and the Vito has a GVM of 2.8T now. Have you ever thought of why MB gives a fuel rating for every engine but the V6?
You have a speed limiter this is set to the axle ratio via the PIEZO injection system etc , It has been de-tuned so a lower fuel return makes sense because of the speed limiter even MB admits to this on their own body site .
I 'm sure you have the same engine it's just the way it's been set up to US standards , My 5 Tonner which is a V6 returns 23 MPG all the time loaded or unloaded but it's on a dead flat block of real estate.
Your Sprinters can be powered up thats' not an issue after your warranty expires! change the power out put and star diagnostics will pick up on it, so the preset codes will not match up to the added chip
If you had the time it may be worth running it up on a dyno to see what the real HP rating is, that's your call. My thoughts are if fuel keeps going up and it will Then maybe some re-engineering of that engine! will become a serious issue, for some folk over the next 12 months.
Its a pity you were not offered a better range of Sprinters with engines and transmission options etc, but the cost of the end price would go through the roof , that is why your Sprinters are so cheap , the order is for a bulk amount of sprinters to come off one single production line that's the only way to keep the price down add all of the Sprinters with all of the options , the cost to inventory stocks would go through the roof add another 15 grand per unit and very few folk would want to buy them , at least that was DCX's thoughts when they were first introduced.
In fairness I can understand the projection of the thought, but our population in Australia is less than 25 Million , yet we have them at double the price! well three quarters more you buck went down the gurgle, so your paying more now remember The largest cost of a Sprinter in Europe is tax In the states the sprinters are sent at a tax free export rate from Europe, and in the States there are very comfortable tax breaks for DCX at the time to achieve exceptional tax brakes from Florida as to employing local Mexicans at lesser wage rates "JOKE" You got a good deal But with the problems you have I don't think it was a great deal at all for the end customer once out of warranty, On the opposite side of the pond we have no trouble selling Sprinters as the Sprinters have a reputation of being almost bullet proof:thumbup: in compassion to Ford UK Transits Now all sales on Hold untill January they have big problems at the moment in Australia and the Fiat Iveco or Peugeot even though they are ten grand cheaper per unit on a cargo based van or cab chassis model Passenger vans Ford 49 Grand Sprinters 72 Grand , They hold their value and people will still buy them but wage scales are twice as high down under same as in Europe , so the differences in prices don't worry us that much.
fuel for Diesel went to AU$149.9 a liter Today 'Bugger I just won an extra 100 bucks' from the local BP operator he swore black and blue it would no go up before the weekend:lol:
Thinking if it hits AU $1.70 a liter I'll dump my van and get a another five tonner then I can get the full fuel tax rebates of 48 cents off each dollar Company privileges have their ways of enduring reactionary inflation negatives.
Closing on thoughts looking at other local forums there are an awful lot of folk complaining about MPG being under the 15 mark
Seems the local yards are quoting the V6 will get the same MPG rate as the old 647 engines.
Now Jerry must be having a good chuckle on this one but Well sooner or latter he will have to make up his mind what he will eventually get
I know I'll sell him a three cylinder blank off kit :smirk: half price fuel :rad:
Richard

gerrym51
11-23-2007, 02:55 PM
I'll be straight with you on this Today I was told don't look too hard and that was a warning from the lower ranks of MB down under.
read into it as much as you want .
Here is a local PDF that is the same in Europe it's on a 3500 series cab chassis single rear wheel job our single rear wheels no wide hub hit 4.4 GVM where yours are dual wheel units.
It will show the true ratings for both the Gas and Diesel engine
Dodge showed the US V6 as a 515 CDi 4-inline engine and even then they still got it part wrong.
4877
There may be an older engine being sold in the States
Maybe?
4878
On the US sprinter the exhaust is a lesser unit as to the Euro 4 main rear exhaust as the Sprinter has the same PDF but the comparison on that back exhaust is less even the US cab unit has only one small resonator at the rear of the truck , Why your on Euro 3 emission standards for the Sprinter sedans are higher so the reason is they do not have to have the same emission standards as sedans. in the States. because of Ford and GM being on exemption untill 2009
With the new Sprinters in Europe they have better fuels and even the V6 on the Vito has a massive 220 HP rating with a 2000 pi bar setting much more fuel efficient, and the Vito has a GVM of 2.8T now. Have you ever thought of why MB gives a fuel rating for every engine but the V6?
You have a speed limiter this is set to the axle ratio via the PIEZO injection system etc , It has been de-tuned so a lower fuel return makes sense because of the speed limiter even MB admits to this on their own body site .
I 'm sure you have the same engine it's just the way it's been set up to US standards , My 5 Tonner which is a V6 returns 23 MPG all the time loaded or unloaded but it's on a dead flat block of real estate.
Your Sprinters can be powered up thats' not an issue after your warranty expires! change the power out put and star diagnostics will pick up on it, so the preset codes will not match up to the added chip
If you had the time it may be worth running it up on a dyno to see what the real HP rating is, that's your call. My thoughts are if fuel keeps going up and it will Then maybe some re-engineering of that engine! will become a serious issue, for some folk over the next 12 months.
Its a pity you were not offered a better range of Sprinters with engines and transmission options etc, but the cost of the end price would go through the roof , that is why your Sprinters are so cheap , the order is for a bulk amount of sprinters to come off one single production line that's the only way to keep the price down add all of the Sprinters with all of the options , the cost to inventory stocks would go through the roof add another 15 grand per unit and very few folk would want to buy them , at least that was DCX's thoughts when they were first introduced.
In fairness I can understand the projection of the thought, but our population in Australia is less than 25 Million , yet we have them at double the price! well three quarters more you buck went down the gurgle, so your paying more now remember The largest cost of a Sprinter in Europe is tax In the states the sprinters are sent at a tax free export rate from Europe, and in the States there are very comfortable tax breaks for DCX at the time to achieve exceptional tax brakes from Florida as to employing local Mexicans at lesser wage rates "JOKE" You got a good deal But with the problems you have I don't think it was a great deal at all for the end customer once out of warranty, On the opposite side of the pond we have no trouble selling Sprinters as the Sprinters have a reputation of being almost bullet proof:thumbup: in compassion to Ford UK Transits Now all sales on Hold untill January they have big problems at the moment in Australia and the Fiat Iveco or Peugeot even though they are ten grand cheaper per unit on a cargo based van or cab chassis model Passenger vans Ford 49 Grand Sprinters 72 Grand , They hold their value and people will still buy them but wage scales are twice as high down under same as in Europe , so the differences in prices don't worry us that much.
fuel for Diesel went to AU$149.9 a liter Today 'Bugger I just won an extra 100 bucks' from the local BP operator he swore black and blue it would no go up before the weekend:lol:
Thinking if it hits AU $1.70 a liter I'll dump my van and get a another five tonner then I can get the full fuel tax rebates of 48 cents off each dollar Company privileges have their ways of enduring reactionary inflation negatives.
Closing on thoughts looking at other local forums there are an awful lot of folk complaining about MPG being under the 15 mark
Seems the local yards are quoting the V6 will get the same MPG rate as the old 647 engines.
Now Jerry must be having a good chuckle on this one but Well sooner or latter he will have to make up his mind what he will eventually get
I know I'll sell him a three cylinder blank off kit :smirk: half price fuel :rad:
Richard

Richard,

Not Fair! having a chuckle is not the point.
all i've said over the past year is the overall economic difference
between gas/diesel is not a great difference- especially in
light of new emissions standards/equipment overall.

if somebody wants a diesel and is willing to pay the price then
more power to them. but don't buy diesel to save money!

more torque/better towing power/love the smell of
diesel/ extremly high mileage/ in short period of time etc.

but more savings. No!




gerry:2cents:

gerrym51
02-20-2010, 02:08 AM
memory lane:bounce:

Altered Sprinter
02-20-2010, 02:12 AM
memory lane:bounce:
Of course it's fun having a good old chuckle
DPF and now ad-a-Blue:lol:
Richard

ohlsonmh
02-20-2010, 08:53 PM
So, what's this Diesel Particulate Filter thing all about?

I've never heard about it before - have 37K miles on my 2004 and never had this burnout of particulates occur.

I'm sure it would scare ME, and scare the "HE77" out of my wife - or my daughter who is presently camping in Arizona in my van with her hubby & 1-1/2 year old.

And having to have the filter cleaned periodically at great expense??

What am I missing, here?

And - BTW - a different car/van is WORLDS cheaper than a new wife, even if you can find a good replacement. :thumbup:

-Oly

jdcaples
02-20-2010, 09:05 PM
Oly,

You're missing about 4 years' postings.

Your T1N does not have a DPF.

Just relax. You'll be fine.

-Jon