End of the line, so sad

ECU

2006 T1n 118 Sprinter
The state of Oregon decided that I will have to stop driving my T1n in 2025. No diesel trucks without a urine tank after that date.
I'm so sad. I estimate that my van will only have 435,000 by that time. There is nothing out there that I'd want to drive.
What to do? What will be out there in 2025 that would be good replacement for a T1n.

:yell::censored::crazy::thumbdown:
 

Nautamaran

2004 140” HRC 2500 (Crewed)
I only skimmed it, but within the bill a “Truck” is a vehicle of over 14,000 pounds GVWR.
Any stock T1N should be fine, and there is also an exemption for motorhomes and RVs.

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/HB2007

-dave

Edit:
I’ve updated link to HB-2007 (2019) as passed.
The bill targets only Medium-duty and Heavy-duty trucks, which are defined at the top of page 2 as those that are above 14,000 pounds and 26,000 pounds GVWR.
 
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Good, this will give the big truck manufacturer's a shot in the arm, create jobs and modernize the transportation fleet. Probably coincide with autonomous semi's killing jobs.
 

Ciprian

Spark Plugs not allowed!
Good, this will give the big truck manufacturer's a shot in the arm, create jobs and modernize the transportation fleet. Probably coincide with autonomous semi's killing jobs.
And in the process killing the small trucking companies and independent owners/operators while giving more power to the big boys.

I am a one truck independent owner/operator. My truck is a 2004 and this would put me out of business if I lived in Oregon. I priced a new box truck like mine and it is a mere $175k. A 2016 model with over 400k miles is $90k. I just can't afford it. I guess I have to tear another state out of my atlas. First was California, now Oregon, and I believe others will follow. Oh well...

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And in the process killing the small trucking companies and independent owners/operators while giving more power to the big boys.

I am a one truck independent owner/operator. My truck is a 2004 and this would put me out of business if I lived in Oregon. I priced a new box truck like mine and it is a mere $175k. A 2016 model with over 400k miles is $90k. I just can't afford it. I guess I have to tear another state out of my atlas. First was California, now Oregon, and I believe others will follow. Oh well...

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Learn code!!! Sorry, couldn't restrain myself. :smirk:

The Bill probably has small business owner exemption. For example, only applies to fleets of 25 or more? Dunno.

Organic Oregon, not suprised.
 

220629

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... I guess I have to tear another state out of my atlas. First was California, now Oregon, and I believe others will follow. Oh well...

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Don't rend your clothing and declare Oregon dead to you yet. You have 5 years grace period.

A question.
Does this new regulation apply to out of state deliveries heading in and out? That would seem pretty difficult to legislate/enforce on a State level. Not to mention the problems associated with a lack of goods being delivered to residents.

:cheers: vic
 

smokie

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Thats like San Fransisco making it illegal to Vap in the city, however it's ok to **** on the sidewalk. Portland also has the same homeless population issue, walk down any corner, underpass, anywhere for that matter its so bad and there worried about this.... Seriously, thats the least of Oregons issues.
 

CJPJ

2008 3500 170 EXTD 3.0 V6 OM642.993 4.182
Its been in effect in California long time guessing ten years. Port of Oakland checks trucks and won't allow access if not compliant.
 

Ciprian

Spark Plugs not allowed!
Don't rend your clothing and declare Oregon dead to you yet. You have 5 years grace period.



A question.

Does this new regulation apply to out of state deliveries heading in and out? That would seem pretty difficult to legislate/enforce on a State level. Not to mention the problems associated with a lack of goods being delivered to residents.



:cheers: vic
California doesn't allow trucks older than 2008, might be 2010 soon, no matter where they are registered. If they catch you in at a weigh station or anywhere else you are in big trouble. Astronomical fines and possible tow out of state.

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Nautamaran

2004 140” HRC 2500 (Crewed)
Read the bill. The meat is only the first page or two, then several pages of funding and grant distribution mechanisms.

My take is that it restricts registration in the affected counties, with VW settlement funds going to school bus companies and other non-exempt operators to fund fleet updates. I didn’t catch anything about access restrictions for out of state vehicles, in fact it only restricts registration if you have an address in the target counties. I expect the bordering counties will see an uptick in “new” transport companies?

The Draft (linked in the OP’s linked article) was state wide, but the final House Bill (see my link above) is restricted to a few congested counties and vehicles over 14,000 pounds GVWR.

It’s nothing like California’s regulations.

-dave
 
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California doesn't allow trucks older than 2008, might be 2010 soon, no matter where they are registered. If they catch you in at a weigh station or anywhere else you are in big trouble. Astronomical fines and possible tow out of state.

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No one wants to accept reality, but all this is communists slowly gaining control. Antifa is protesting against who they really are, commies.

I say it's better to put the commies in prison before they put us in gulags.
 
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I had a vision of the future... I was peering-out from atop a hill, as far as the eye could see, gentle hills of velvet green grass under crystal clear blue sky. From a distance, stretching across the horizon, I could see a thick dark band of what appeared to be a large flock of migrating birds. As I walked closer, I could hear buzzing sound similar to bees.

At some point, I got close enough to realize it was not a flock of migrating foul but a large highway of millions of drones, all carrying a small payload of cargo. A very large highway, and comprised of a two separate lanes, traveling in opposite directions. Occasionally, along the highway some drones would exit and disappear into the distance.

I also witnessed a few collisions, some losing control and spiraling to the ground. Not long afterwards, like vultures preparing to consume a meal, recovery drones swooped in and quickly retrieved all debris. I also noticed a kind of like transfer-repair-recharge station, a literal beehive of activity of thousands of parked, idled and buzzing drones.

About this time, I saw and heard a couple of drones traveling directly to my location. Upon their arrival they delivered a cooler of six perfectly chilled Sierra Nevada pale ale and a large pizza with Italian sausage, jalapeño peppers, pineapple, and pepperoni.

Late as programed, my date finally arrives, in a drone of course, an exact robotic copy of Paris Hilton programmed and with the premium Girlfriend Experience. A robot so perfect, only sophisticated equipment can distinguish the difference between the real McCoy.

As Paris massaged my stinky feet, I contemplated the future as I chased a couple of Viagra's with cold beer.
 
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autostaretx

Erratic Member
Freightliner's corporate offices are in Portland Oregon. I wonder which way they lobbied about the bill?
(true, they're a division a Daimler, and they moved production of the big rigs from Oregon to Mexico circa 2005)

It looks like the Combined weight is 14,000 ... so a "3500" 11,000 Sprinter with a 5,000 trailer exceeds that. The "2500" 8,550 plus 5,000 squeaks under, but the 9,900 (some 3500 T1Ns) plus 5k doesn't.

BUT: there's an out extending the time you can get registration renewal out to 2029, "if the address of the owner of the motor vehicle is located within Multnomah, Clackamas or Washington County".
ECU may fall into that ... and there's an exception for "antique" vehicles as well... a T1N will be 23 years old by then.

It will be interesting to see what "certified replacements" pop up to meet the law. Retrofitting LPG and other gasses are cited as an acceptable reason for disabling existing pollution controls in the vehicle.

Me? I'd love to electrify or hybridize my Sprinter ... i've got 3000 pounds of unused payload capacity.
(how many kWh will that hold?)

--dick :popcorn:
 
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Nautamaran

2004 140” HRC 2500 (Crewed)
The T1N vehicle placard doesn’t state a GCVWR, just the GVWR. Towing capacity is not as enforceable as an explicit GCVWR from the builder. The registrar would see a vehicle under 14,000 pounds and issue the paperwork.

I admit I’m not a resident so am not familiar with how this stuff gets interpreted, but I suspect the placard weight takes priority? Before GCVWR placards, towing capacity was too often a value left to the marketing department, so I don’t foresee a registration clerk asking for the owners manual for every pickup truck owner to add in this “imaginary” weight?

I agree that a commercial driver with a certified combined weight restriction on their paperwork may have a problem.

-dave
 

smcguyer

2006 3500 Cab chassis. With 12' Box.
You. Cannot. Believe. the number of people moving to north Texas area. I meet Californians, North Easterners, etc in the McKinney and Rockwall Restaurants.. it's like a wave. THEY JUST KEEP COMING. My 2006 is exempt from the emission testing requirements in DFW area.
 

Gabe Athouse

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So we are worried that Oregon will go from not emission testing any diesels over 8600lbs gvwr to banning any diesel without a piss tank? That would be skipping several steps I’d say lol.
 

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