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CIVEO
09-25-2018, 04:26 PM
Sorry if this is redundant... I am looking at a used 2014 2.1L 4 Cylinder 2500 crew van. Have folks been generally satisfied with this engine? I have a 2016 6 cylinder now, any idea how they compare in general performance? Thanks!

Bobnoxious
09-25-2018, 05:18 PM
Sorry if this is redundant... I am looking at a used 2014 2.1L 4 Cylinder 2500 crew van. Have folks been generally satisfied with this engine? I have a 2016 6 cylinder now, any idea how they compare in general performance? Thanks!

I have an 2015 and enjoy it very much. Especially the 7-GTronic self-adjusting transmission.

Suggest having the vehicle diagnosed with a Mercedes-Benz Star Xentry scanner or equivalent and insist on printouts from the ECU and DPF regeneration history logs. Most importantly, DPF soot and ash loads values to ensure they're within specifications. Here's a sample of a DPF regeneration log. I do not have a sample of the ECU print-out. Well, I do but can't find it.

https://sprinter-source.com/forum/showpost.php?p=665847&postcount=2

Buying tips, geared more for T1N that can be used as a guideline.

https://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5174

Ciprian
09-25-2018, 05:28 PM
I like my 2015 with the 4 cyl a lot. I wouldn't have bought it if it had the 6 cyl.

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asimba2
09-25-2018, 07:22 PM
I like my 2015 with the 4 cyl a lot. I wouldn't have bought it if it had the 6 cyl.



Ditto. I drove the 4 and 6 back-to-back when I was shopping in 2016. The V6 version felt like an entire generation older vehicle. The 4 is more responsive thanks to twin turbos and the 7-speed. Mileage and reliability are better too.

srt4ny
09-26-2018, 06:01 AM
I have 2015 4cyl and i love it i have also owned two 6cyl sprinters and thay seem to have more problems such as egr,intake flaps,emissions,turbo leaking and such I bought my 4cyl new i now have 240k milles on it without a single problem only been doing maintenance and recently replaced shocks but even that was because I wanted a better ride I highly recommend it

sailquik
09-26-2018, 01:44 PM
The 2.143 liter OM-651 4 cylinder (inline) 2 stage turbocharged engine and the 7G-Tronic 7 speed transmission are better in
virtually all ways when compared to the 3.0 liter OM-642 V6 /5G-Tronic 5 speed transmission.
Better reliability, lower maintenance cost, better fuel mileage, easier to drive.
In head to head realistic tests, the only thing the V6 did better was get down a 1/4 mile drag strip about 1-2 seconds faster
Correctly driven, the OM-651 is just better/superior in every way!
Just having my first ever Sprinter emissions system issue (in over 600,000 miles in Sprinters) on my 2014 OM-651 @ 180,000 miles.
I got the 16 starts notification from the SCR/DEF system so we will see tomorrow what that's all about and what it costs
to have it repaired.
Roger

asimba2
09-26-2018, 03:00 PM
Roger, the performance numbers of the 4 cylinder are nearly identical to the V6.

Road & Track:
But it's what's under that taller hood that serves as the biggest news for the Sprinter for 2014. Now it comes with a second engine, a 161-hp, 266-lb-ft 2.1-liter I-4 turbodiesel, which serves as the van's base engine. Unlike the returning 3.0-liter V-6 turbodiesel, with 188 hp and 325-lb-ft, the new four is backed by a seven-speed automatic. (The V-6 continues on essentially unchanged with a five-speed automatic.) We drove both Sprinters, empty and full of gear, and were pleasantly surprised by the amount of power the I-4 provided in the van. We knew the V-6 was an excellent engine, one well suited to the Sprinter. But how would the smaller diesel fare?

Surprisingly well, actually. Despite the difference in power -- the inline-four puts out 27 fewer hp and 59 lb-ft less -- there is plenty of power, and anyone spending day after day making deliveries would be happy with the power delivery. The seven-speed helps make the power discrepancy less noticeable. At the track, the four-cylinder van accelerated to 60 mph in 12.6 seconds and finished the quarter mile in 18.8 seconds at 70.9 mph. What is truly impressive about these numbers is that they really aren't that far off from those of the V-6-powered van, which hit 60 in 12.4 seconds and ran the quarter in 18.7 seconds at 71.8 mph.

4wheels
09-26-2018, 06:36 PM
The 2.143 liter OM-651 4 cylinder (inline) 2 stage turbocharged engine and the 7G-Tronic 7 speed transmission are better in
virtually all ways when compared to the 3.0 liter OM-642 V6 /5G-Tronic 5 speed transmission.
Better reliability, lower maintenance cost, better fuel mileage, easier to drive.
In head to head realistic tests, the only thing the V6 did better was get down a 1/4 mile drag strip about 1-2 seconds faster
Correctly driven, the OM-651 is just better/superior in every way!
Just having my first ever Sprinter emissions system issue (in over 600,000 miles in Sprinters) on my 2014 OM-651 @ 180,000 miles.
I got the 16 starts notification from the SCR/DEF system so we will see tomorrow what that's all about and what it costs
to have it repaired.
Roger180k milestone ... Sprinter's ECU has cheating DEF software just like VW did :)
Remember my post when I wrote that I know like 6-7 Sprinters who's DEF failed right after 180k ? ( including mine ) Also , it was exactly what Dennis said in one of his posts . So must be another VW here or ( most likely ) system needs to be cleaned .
Sailquik take off your DEF injector and see if it's clogged .
Sorry again , back to topic

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4wheeldog
09-29-2018, 02:19 PM
QUOTE=4wheels;693434]180k milestone ... Sprinter's ECU has cheating DEF software just like VW did :)
Remember my post when I wrote that I know like 6-7 Sprinters who's DEF failed right after 180k ? ( including mine ) Also , it was exactly what Dennis said in one of his posts . So must be another VW here or ( most likely ) system needs to be cleaned .
Sailquik take off your DEF injector and see if it's clogged .
Sorry again , back to topic

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I am inclined to believe that MB was fudging the programming, at least of the DEF consumption.
My research before buying indicated that DEF consumption varied from 1000 to 2500 miles per gallon, depending on how the vehicle was operated.
My 2018 has never used less than a gallon every 1000 miles, and most of its use has been highway miles.
My conjecture is that the cheating on DEF programming was corrected for the 2018 model year.

4wheels
10-04-2018, 01:49 AM
https://qz-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/qz.com/1412195/mercedes-takes-hit-on-dieselgate-in-europe-but-not-in-us/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fqz.com%2F1412195%2Fmercedes-takes-hit-on-dieselgate-in-europe-but-not-in-us%2F

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Sprinter SS
10-05-2018, 02:09 AM
https://qz-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/qz.com/1412195/mercedes-takes-hit-on-dieselgate-in-europe-but-not-in-us/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fqz.com%2F1412195%2Fmercedes-takes-hit-on-dieselgate-in-europe-but-not-in-us%2F

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Ughhhhh....they will have to take my three MB diesels from cold sooty hands....
That may be why we do not see the automobile diesels now.

boyscout
10-07-2018, 08:54 PM
Wowzers, Mercedes defeating its own emission system!!!
Yet if any one even mentions the possibility of tuning in this exact way they are met on this forum as unethical and lawless.
The silence is deafening, but im hard of hearing anyway.
Funny, funny, funny, funny....
Why are these same six or seven forum regulars not on here damning Mercedes???