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sunnyside
06-24-2016, 11:14 PM
Anyone technical enough to explain the difference between these two Sprinter ok oils.

In my 2012 owners manual MB says use only very high a very high quality grade oil like 228.51 for extended drains of 10000 miles No mention of 229.51

NelsonSprinter
06-25-2016, 12:37 AM
MB 228.51 was the 2012 approved oils list, at time of printing, and later Sprinters were approved for 229.51, which dropped the 10W grades for 0W40 and 5W40

You can use either 228.51 or 229.51 in your 2012 , 229.51 wasn't approved at time of your manual's printing, it is now.
228.51 came in 0W30, 10W30, 10W40, 5W30
229.51 came in 0W30, 0W40, 5W30 or 5W40 grades

Not using 10W30 or 10W40 may give you better fuel economy and faster starts.

the lists of approved oils can be found here https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/228.51_en.html

sunnyside
06-25-2016, 02:29 AM
Ok, sounds good, but the manual does list 229.51, it also specifically states 228.51 as a superior grade oil.

I guess the real question I have is Mobile 1's "uber" diesel oil is branded as Delvac and UBER expensive. The Delvac LE 5w 30 is the ONLY (well at least remotely available in the US) oil I have seen with the 228.51 approval.

Is 229.51 direct replacement for 228.51, and if so why doesn't 229.51 oils list the 228.51 have the 228.51 approval on the lable?

Aqua Puttana
06-25-2016, 03:36 AM
Ok, sounds good, but the manual does list 229.51, it also specifically states 228.51 as a superior grade oil.

I guess the real question I have is Mobile 1's "uber" diesel oil is branded as Delvac and UBER expensive. The Delvac LE 5w 30 is the ONLY (well at least remotely available in the US) oil I have seen with the 228.51 approval.

Is 229.51 direct replacement for 228.51, and if so why doesn't 229.51 oils list the 228.51 have the 228.51 approval on the lable?
You bring up what I've been pointing out for some time now.

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As to MB specs, there is what I think is a rather large misconception in that the higher, or newer, number MB spec lubricants are better in all ways than their lower number predecessors. E.G. - MB228.XX oil as compared to MB229.XX oil for T1Nís and assuming that MB229.XX is always better. In the MB BEVO system just because it is a different formulation and a lower number does not automatically mean that it is a totally inferior product. It means that it is a different product. If it were not up to the task then they would not list it on BEVO for use in your vehicle.

For example.

MB228.3 engine oil is fine for OM612 and OM647 5 cylinder engines used in a given climate. MB228.31 is indicated as not appropriate if you look at the proper sub notes. So not all products of a similar number range are backward compatible or "better". They are different.
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I recall a discussion over in the Aussie section where a member claimed that in his mind the MB228.XX series of oils were designed specifically for diesels and might be the better choice over some MB229.XX choices.

What you quote from your manual appears to support that.

:cheers: vic

Here's the more complete quote which includes the snip above.

As always, clicking on the blue arrow icon within any quote box takes you to the original post/thread.

Zerex G05 is HOAT technology and meets the MB spec.

More information and opinion than you probably want is here:

This is a Fluids canned response

Revised 2015/06/06

(Young people who have only ever purchased oil in plastic wonít appreciate the bold print title above.)

My goal is to refrain from Sprinter fluid discussion. (For me itís a goal which is not easily attained.) This has what I think is some practical information.

All brands of fluids within a MB specification are compatible. They need to be, or they wouldnít meet the MB specification. So for top off, what OEM factory brand was used is not critical within a MB specification.

Of course the easiest answer as to proper fluids is to direct people to the Mercedes Benz BEVO site which is the official information for MB vehicle fluids. Personally I find that the site is often not easy to extract the information you seek. Another issue for NAFTA owners is that many of the products they list are just not readily available, or available at all, in North America.

Here is the English language official MB BEVO link.
http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/index.php?language_id=1

The MB and Sprinter market in North America is fairly small. Because of that there may be many readily available products in North America which would pass the MB spec tests, but just are not submitted to MB. The return on investment for the approval process just may not be there for them. Just my thoughts, I have no data.

As to MB specs, there is what I think is a rather large misconception in that the higher, or newer, number MB spec lubricants are better in all ways than their lower number predecessors. E.G. - MB228.XX oil as compared to MB229.XX oil for T1Nís and assuming that MB229.XX is always better. In the MB BEVO system just because it is a different formulation and a lower number does not automatically mean that it is a totally inferior product. It means that it is a different product. If it were not up to the task then they would not list it on BEVO for use in your vehicle.

For example.

MB228.3 engine oil is fine for OM612 and OM647 5 cylinder engines used in a given climate. MB228.31 is indicated as not appropriate if you look at the proper sub notes. So not all products of a similar number range are backward compatible or "better". They are different.
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Picoscope
06-26-2016, 07:15 PM
Dealers now use MB 229.52, no longer mobile 1. MB is manufacturing their own product. XXX.X2


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sunnyside
06-27-2016, 12:27 AM
[QUOTE=Picoscope;468355. MB is manufacturing their own product. XXX.X2


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IMHO, I highly doubt that MB would do that. I do stand as allways, corrected.

MB builds auto's, I do not believe thier in the petroleum business.

Mobile 1 ESP 0W30 does carry the MB 229.52 rating

https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/229.52_en.html

Picoscope
07-21-2016, 04:13 AM
They did it. Believe it or not. Look at the BEVO list on top


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owner
07-21-2016, 09:01 AM
MB just re-bottles/re-brands whatever approved fluid they can get a good deal on.

228.xx are HDEO oils - heavy duty diesel oil. They have a bigger tbn which is more capacity to absorb acids than the equivalent non-diesel 229.xx oils. In practice it makes no difference which one you use in a sprinter, because the drain interval occurs well before the acid absorption limit is reached in either case.

Aqua Puttana
07-21-2016, 11:41 AM
MB just re-bottles/re-brands whatever approved fluid they can get a good deal on.
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Yep. Business is business so whoever gives them the best overall deal will get to bottle the MB branded oil. That can include things other than price.

For a long time MB race cars sported Mobil 1 logos. Now Petronas is front and center.
2014

78100

Recent

78099

I wonder who supplies the MB branded oil now? :hmmm:
http://www.petronas.com.my/about-us/Pages/default.aspx

I have no data.

Notice that all products in BeVo are listed alphabetically except the Mercedes brands. Marketing 101. Who wouldn't do the same?

:cheers: vic

wickidd
11-08-2017, 05:14 PM
FYI,

According to MB's spec sheet (https://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/d/d/en/Spec_223_2.pdf) (dated April 2017 at the time of this reply), the OM 642 engine in the context of the Sprinter van (regardless of model year) is approved for the following specs:
228.51
229.31
229.51
229.52

Also, Shell has a new Rotella that's finally available which meets 228.51: https://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60863