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hulagun
06-22-2015, 08:20 PM
I know there are lots of threads on T1n tire options, but wanted to create a single thread that might collate current 118" wb van tire wisdom and experience. (In other words, please do not weigh in here w info that is many years old or not specific to the 118" wb T1n van). Thanks!

Some 118" owners have switched to 16" wheels, but keeping the original 15" steel rims still appeals to a lot of 118" owners. Many of us are currently running C load rated 15" tires with good success. Many are successfully running oversized 235/75-15 tires, which fill up the wheel opening (for improved appearance), and improve speedometer accuracy.

Unfortunately most 15" tire choices are C rated. There is some concern that a fully loaded 118" might exceed C-rated tires capacity and be considered unsafe. OTOH, some feel that E rated tires are unnecessary overkill, and probably too stiff for optimal ride comfort.

D rated tires might be the best compromise for a 118" wb T1n for confidence, handling, and safety. In 2015, some high quality "D" and "E" rated 15" tires have becoming newly available. Nokian now offers the Rotiiva AT tire in 235/75-15, in both D and E ratings. Michelin now offers the excellent LTX in a 235/75-15, D rated, in both A/T2 and M/S2 tread types.

I'm looking at both the Rotiiva and the LTX A/T2 in 235/75-15. I like the more aggressive appearance of these over the LTX M/S2. Has anyone got Has anyone with a 118" got experience running either of these?

POS
06-22-2015, 08:51 PM
Hello,

Located a long way from you here in mid-Missouri. Just purchased 4 Sailun Commercio VX1 225/70R15C Load Range D tires at a small local independant tire store for $126.00 each mounted and balanced. Only have about 300 miles so far, but I am pleased.

Hope this helps.

David
140" T1N "Moby Dick"

NelsonSprinter
06-23-2015, 12:04 AM
I have cheaper Pirelli ATR LT235/75R15D on my front and are as good and quiet as my Nokian Rotiiva AT which I may get 50,000kms out of
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Pirelli&tireModel=Scorpion+ATR&sidewall=Blackwall&partnum=375SR5SCORATR&tab=Sizes

hulagun
06-23-2015, 08:21 AM
Nelson, thanks for your frequent updates on load range D and E tire options. Unfortunately the Nokian tires are not available here in California, that I can find. I'm going to try and find the Pirellis and check them out.

I forgot that older T1ns all rolled on 15" rims. Obviously if a 15" tire works well on a 140" van, it should work well on a 118" van... But not always the other way round.

derekhski
06-23-2015, 05:32 PM
Nelson, I also want to say thanks for starting this tread that is 118 T1N specific. I did the upgrade to 16" on my 118. I was concerned about the load rating of the tires. I had bought a set of "C" load tires when stranded in April on I-90 in a Winter(Spring Storm) as the tires it had were on their last legs, and I had just picked it up in New Hampshire. I was concerned that the "C" would possibly fail, something that I'm just not filling to risk, as my wife and daughter ride in the van repeatedly. I could not imagine blowing a tire at 55 mph in a corner on a local highway, and the aftermath of what could happen. Also, that if the insurance company see's the tires are under rated for the vehicle, will the simply deny any claim.... (they are in for the money, not me, honeslty, the are publicly trade companies, bottom line is all that matters, even if their commercial portrait differently).

So that being said, I run 112-115 E range tires. I would be willing to move down to D range, but the question is would they meet the specifications if the **** Hits the Fan (so to speak). All in all, I'm not willing to risk it....

I still have my 15" Mercedes Alloys.... as they a "bitchen" rims.... Think of the Rotivva's often as a second set of wheels... might consider the Michellins in the near future, but again, the load range(?)

Great idea to start this thread. Derek

NelsonSprinter
06-23-2015, 06:14 PM
, I run 112-115 E range tires. I would be willing to move down to D range, but the question is would they meet the specifications if the **** Hits the Fan (so to speak). All in all, I'm not willing to risk it....

I still have my 15" Mercedes Alloys.... as they a "bitchen" rims.... Think of the Rotivva's often as a second set of wheels... might consider the Michellins in the near future, but again, the load range(?)

Great idea to start this thread. Derek

I think you'll find on your 2002 118's doorjam that the original 225/70R15Commercial tires that came with the van new are D load rated , so D would meet spec

and how would you fit over 2500#s of people and cargo into that sized van to need E rated tires? A tall 140" wb OR 158"wb yes.

I would not put Sailun tires on a passenger van because investigative reports have found that some Chinese tire makers have been putting thinner than spec steel cords in their tires, so I'd stay away.
Economically speaking, I'd get Michelins IF you drive over 20,000miles per year , Pirellis or Nokians if you drive less, Sailuns if you drive empty

Shibby!
06-23-2015, 06:36 PM
I can understand the insurance argument, but unsafe on C rated tires because it's a van?

They are 100% safe within the load ratings on the tire. It's what I plan to run after these Continentals wear out this fall. Going to run the slightly larger size Duratracs.

For reference, the van will never be overloaded.

RB7
06-23-2015, 09:40 PM
Hey Hulagun,

I am unable to find these "new" Michelin M/S2s in the 235/75/15 D Load rating. I, however, still see them listed as "P"(passenger) tires with load rating "LT". Who is a reasonably priced source for these D-load M/S2s? The "P" tires are quite a bit cheaper than the heavier duty ones. One less ply or something. They've held up great on my 118 Bus.

ECU
06-24-2015, 01:26 AM
I got rid om my M/S2s in the 235/75/15 P tires. Too wimpy. Seemed to collapse on turns. I had to run them at 50psi to get some semblance of control.
Currently have Toyo A/T open country LT235/75R15

derekhski
06-24-2015, 05:16 PM
Hey, Nelson I agree on the Sailuns. I have a very low assurance of anything from China. Clothing and shoes, not an issue. Something that your life rides on, that is a scary thing. They, China, are great copy cats, but they also try and cut every corner of cost and production. (IMO)

On the weight rating issued of the little 118". I have had a pallet of Cork flooring in the back, to cover 1100 square feet, it was some 47 cases, at 35 pounds each. 1645 pounds, its quite a load. Fork lift guy had seen many a sprinter, but never a small one, said it was cool how it was so Dual Purpose. Also have had a pallet of Sod, and a trailer with two pallets of sod in one load.

I will not ever run a "C" load rated tire, Not C as in Euro metric Conversion, but C load range as is 6 Ply. The Sprinters State "C" tires, but that is Euro Metric C, which translates to E rated tires, the owners manual for singles notes 110-112 so even D's at 108 (?). So when I say C rate, I mean the less than 108 rated 8 ply tires. On this issue, I would rather be safe, and setting myself up for an issue. (IMO)

I'm currently running the Goodyear Duratracs 225/75/16 E range. Wanted them for the weight rating and the Snow Flake (aka no chains required, hopefully). I have been supper happy with the Duratracs, but also keep thinking of the Rotivva's or now the Michelins spark my interest. As I have the Alloy 15" still, I might opt for a set of "summer" wheels with the Michelins

I see the P235/75R15 XL 108T 108S on their website, found via tire size search, not by vehicle. These are not exactly D range, the 108 is in that range, but they are XL load range..? again, its just a tough decision in my opinion....

I think this is a great thread, as many of us have the older 15" sprinters. thanks all for your input!

NelsonSprinter
06-24-2015, 08:13 PM
I will not ever run a "C" load rated tire, Not C as in Euro metric Conversion, but C load range as is 6 Ply. The Sprinters State "C" tires, but that is Euro Metric C, which translates to E rated tires, the owners manual for singles notes 110-112 so even D's at 108 (?). So when I say C rate, I mean the less than 108 rated 8 ply tires. On this issue, I would rather be safe, and setting myself up for an issue. (IMO)


I see the P235/75R15 XL 108T 108S on their website, found via tire size search, not by vehicle. These are not exactly D range, the 108 is in that range, but they are XL load range..? again, its just a tough decision in my opinion....

I think this is a great thread, as many of us have the older 15" sprinters. thanks all for your input!

I would never use C load 6ply tires either, but my Pirelli LT235/75R15D are 110 8Ply and more than I need for the front, and Rotiivas are 116E on the back.
Do not get confused by P235/75R15 XL 108s, these are Car/SUV tires that are not LT truck tires which the Sprinter requires ,
and when P108s are converted to LT weight rating it equals LT104,
the P108 does not equal LT108 in tire specs, always go with LT.
LT tires are made for the more rigid truck suspension's specs/demands and always have 2 more cords in the sidewall.
If your doorjam/manual lists P tires as possible in your passenger van then go ahead, but I doubt it does.

thecoast1
06-25-2015, 02:27 PM
Hulagun, I dit it - put the Rotiiva AT 235/75's on my 118. I'm in California too and it took a little bit of extra work to find a place that could order them for me, much less know what I was even talking about. Thought about just ordering them from tires by web but was able to sort it out with a little patience. Cost me about 750$ or so out the door.
I LOVE THEM. Granted, I'm not pulling on a large sample size and the tires that were on there were grossly underrated to begin with, but so far I'm not seeing any downside. Some may find them to stiff, I suppose, but if you're driving a 118 you've already accepted that! I use my van for work, so I like to have the load capacity. Also, as a side benefit, they look killer, to me at least. Little bit of an all terrain look, but not too crazy like the BF Goodrich's you see everywhere.
I have some pics I shot and will throw 'em up when I get a chance.
Good luck!

derekhski
06-25-2015, 08:05 PM
Nelson, Thanks for the outline on the XL (108 rating). I was looking for info related to that when posting but found none, and thought I would post and see if someone knew more.

At "thecoast1" I think you made a smart buy. I too looked at the 15" rotiiva before I jumped to 16". I just wanted a few more options, and since I'm saving the 15" rims, I can jump back in the future as desired. I look forward to your pic's. Would like to see your van.

I hope this thread grows and some certified D range and E range tires in 15" surface for the front runners in the industry. I also look forwards to people adding their reviews and mileage on what has preformed, especially for tires that meet the spec's.

Derek

thecoast1
06-28-2015, 05:00 AM
Ok, to follow up on this, here are some pictures of the Rotiivas on my 118.

68413

68414

68415

hulagun
08-01-2015, 05:05 PM
Thanks for those pics, Coast! I just saw them today. I've had my Rotiivas on for just over a week now. I got the D (108) rated ones, apparently I could have tried for E rated but it was more money and a longer wait. Similar experience to you, ordered them delivered to my buddy's shop, and painted a spare set of rims I had. When they arrived I took them to a local tire shop for mount and balance, plus new heavy duty valve stems. They handle much better, I think. I didn't notice the ride getting harsher but the van definitely moves around less in stiff wind conditions.

Here are some pictures of the Rotiivas on my 118, also. I notice mine seem like they fill up the wheel openings more than yours? If so, that's interesting.

A.Hayes
01-14-2016, 04:17 AM
I have an '02 140" with the 15" wheels and am looking at the 235/75 R15 options for better traction/handling (ok, and looks). Any comments on road noise for those of you running these? I currently have the stock size (225/70 R15) Nokian Hakka C Cargos and find them a bit noisy.

EEJ
01-20-2016, 10:42 PM
I went with 16" MB alloy rims from Europarts-SD and Michelin LTX-MS2 225/75-16 which are "D" rated. Just a little rubbing on the mudflaps which was quickly fixed with tin-snips. Really like them so far.

Eric

callmemac
04-15-2016, 06:50 PM
Just had two sailun blow tread losses , 75% tread recently. one still had 55#psi air. I am glad I had taken them off the front and put them inside rear. 4 new continental vanco's. made it 2000 miles to pheonix before going to 3 wheels on the back. no 195/75's available in phoenix for 3 days. 5 wheeled it to las vegas. no tires available for 4 days. 2500 miles home. now I am researching other sizes for the front. Semi drivers use continentals....Sailuns...I am looking for a forensic tire expert:)
PS twas a dodge mechanic that said it's ok to run single on the dual

hulagun
04-16-2016, 12:24 AM
PS twas a dodge mechanic that said it's ok to run single on the dual

Hi Mac, this thread probably isnt much help to a dually driver. It's a way to track tires that fit the swb 118" vans which came with 15" wheels, and no duallies. Good luck!

SprinterMeesh
04-19-2016, 07:05 PM
After much effort to figure out what tires are needed and trying to track them down (they are rare, it seems), I finally just ordered Goodyear 225/70 R15 GT 26s, load range D. Seems that most of the databases disagree with my door label (and current tires) that these are the correct size, and not all tires or sites seem to use the C-D-E rating scheme, so it's hard to find the right ones. These also seem to fit the bill: Maxxis UE-168(N) Bravo Seri 225/70R15, but couldn't get hold of them in my time frame. And these, which I could get hold of, but thought I'd go with the brand I've heard of (even though these are cheaper and definitely all-season): Thunderer Ranger R402 225/70R15C D. Unlikely I'll be doing a lot of snow/ice driving anyway...

Throttlejockey
04-20-2016, 12:31 AM
I got rid om my M/S2s in the 235/75/15 P tires. Too wimpy. Seemed to collapse on turns. I had to run them at 50psi to get some semblance of control.
Currently have Toyo A/T open country LT235/75R15

I was just looking at the Toyo's. The Load index is 104 which equals 7940#. I find it hard to believe that would not be enough for a 118".

Throttlejockey
07-23-2016, 06:33 PM
Anything new to report on tires for the 118"?

Throttlejockey
09-17-2016, 01:04 AM
Well, I ended up getting a set of Pirelli Scorpion ATR's 235/75/15. I really like these tires. Ride is quiet and smooth @ 50psi. Much better ride then those crappy Vancos that I removed. Ended up paying $597 OTD. With a $60 Pirelli rebate and another $50 rebate from Evans tire it will cost me $487.

http://i345.photobucket.com/albums/p361/throttlejockey66/20160916_164335_zpsgsfdbmmj.jpg (http://s345.photobucket.com/user/throttlejockey66/media/20160916_164335_zpsgsfdbmmj.jpg.html)

marshroger@hotmail.com
09-22-2016, 07:32 PM
The following tires were on my 2006, 118 when I bought it. They seem to be in good condition. Are they the proper tires?
225/70/R15C
Goodyear Vector
Made in Germany

Cheyenne
09-22-2016, 07:36 PM
The following tires were on my 2006, 118 when I bought it. They seem to be in good condition. Are they the proper tires?
225/70/R15C
Goodyear Vector
Made in Germany

So possibly original fitment from 2006?

What is the date code on them?

Keith.

PS My 2004 was fitted from new with Continental 225/70 R15C 112R so the size sounds right.

NelsonSprinter
09-22-2016, 07:39 PM
The following tires were on my 2006, 118 when I bought it. They seem to be in good condition. Are they the proper tires?
225/70/R15C
Goodyear Vector
Made in Germany

They are the proper tires , yes, (more than good for a light van not fully loaded)

frambach
12-16-2016, 01:53 PM
You folks that went with the 235/75R15 aren't having any rubbing issues or anything?

Throttlejockey
12-16-2016, 03:06 PM
You folks that went with the 235/75R15 aren't having any rubbing issues or anything?

The only time I have rubbing is with the wheels turned all the way while turning around. Not bad, so I just release the wheel when it rubs.

Paul_E_D
12-16-2016, 03:16 PM
I was getting rubbing when I bottomed the suspension on hard edged bumps. Since I added the sumo springs I have not bottomed/rubbed once.

Oh, I did have to remove my mudflaps. Those rubbed.

hulagun
12-16-2016, 03:32 PM
You folks that went with the 235/75R15 aren't having any rubbing issues or anything?

Nothing worth mentioning. My van was missing the rear mudflaps when I got it, the DPO said snow chains hit them.

ECU
12-16-2016, 04:01 PM
I've only had rubbing issues on the first couple of days after a new set. I've had good luck since I quit going to Costco for tires.

outbound
12-16-2016, 04:07 PM
me too!
esp since they started TELLING ME where THEY will put the new ones!
'you mean i cant put MY tires, bought with MY money, where i want em, on MY car?'

never again.

dhedden
05-04-2017, 06:08 PM
ECU, I'm thinking of putting the Toyo's on my 118" next week. Are you satisfied with them 3 years later? Any rubbing on wheel wells upon turning?? Thanks!!

marshroger@hotmail.com
05-19-2017, 12:17 AM
I know there are lots of threads on T1n tire options, but wanted to create a single thread that might collate current 118" wb van tire wisdom and experience. (In other words, please do not weigh in here w info that is many years old or not specific to the 118" wb T1n van). Thanks!

Some 118" owners have switched to 16" wheels, but keeping the original 15" steel rims still appeals to a lot of 118" owners. Many of us are currently running C load rated 15" tires with good success. Many are successfully running oversized 235/75-15 tires, which fill up the wheel opening (for improved appearance), and improve speedometer accuracy.

Unfortunately most 15" tire choices are C rated. There is some concern that a fully loaded 118" might exceed C-rated tires capacity and be considered unsafe. OTOH, some feel that E rated tires are unnecessary overkill, and probably too stiff for optimal ride comfort.

D rated tires might be the best compromise for a 118" wb T1n for confidence, handling, and safety. In 2015, some high quality "D" and "E" rated 15" tires have becoming newly available. Nokian now offers the Rotiiva AT tire in 235/75-15, in both D and E ratings. Michelin now offers the excellent LTX in a 235/75-15, D rated, in both A/T2 and M/S2 tread types.

I'm looking at both the Rotiiva and the LTX A/T2 in 235/75-15. I like the more aggressive appearance of these over the LTX M/S2. Has anyone got Has anyone with a 118" got experience running either of these?
Is there a current update for this tire of information? I am having trouble here in Vancouver BC Canada, finding something to fit my 2006 T18, 118.

marshroger@hotmail.com
05-19-2017, 12:26 AM
So possibly original fitment from 2006?

What is the date code on them?

Keith.

PS My 2004 was fitted from new with Continental 225/70 R15C 112R so the size sounds right.

I realize now that the date code is 2005 so I am trying to find new tires, even though these ones look in excellent shape.

marshroger@hotmail.com
05-20-2017, 09:00 PM
On Tuesday I will be ordering the Nokian WRC 3 (225/70R15C), which seems to be my best option in the Vancouver, BC area. Didn't want to chance the cheaper Westlake SC301, which was the other option.
If anybody has opinions on Westlake, I would love to hear it.

pdxkid
07-05-2017, 01:57 PM
We just blew a Continental Vanco at 70mph. No ill results, fortunately. We now have no spare and are looking to save money by buying just 15" tires, and not upgrading to 16" wheels and tires. Does anyone have any new info on 15" all terrain load range E tires?

derekhski
07-05-2017, 07:37 PM
I don't use these myself, but they are a weight rate 15"

https://www.nokiantires.com/all-season-tires/nokian-rotiiva-at/

Check with your local Nokian dealer, they can special order.

or

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Nokian-Rotiiva-AT-LT235-75-R-15-116-113-S-Tires/50296307?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227038346798&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=80429485609&wl4=pla-122830455152&wl5=9032933&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=50296307&wl13=&veh=sem

There are a couple members that run these and have rated them well. Hope this helps.

frambach
07-05-2017, 10:43 PM
Thanks to this thread (and this forum in general) we're currently running some Nokian Rotiiva AT in 235/75/15 and I'm super pleased with them!

We bought ours on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0100OPGKE/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

http://i.imgur.com/bRspMtUl.jpg (http://imgur.com/bRspMtU)
http://i.imgur.com/k6X6Pj4l.jpg (http://imgur.com/k6X6Pj4)
http://i.imgur.com/UtYhFLJl.jpg (http://imgur.com/UtYhFLJ)

marshroger@hotmail.com
07-05-2017, 11:10 PM
I purchased the Nokian WRC 3 (225/70R15C) back in May and so far they are great. That said, there were some badass tires and rims at the sprinter forum in Bellingham recently.

derekhski
07-06-2017, 05:11 PM
As usual, thanks to all the update info in this thread, I jumped ship to the 16" but follow along on the 118" quite a bit as you never know, may go back some day.... Might down size for a dedicated winter snow tire, as with 16" 29.2" diameter, the chains are super close to the body, and they tap here and there..... I carry them for emergency, but the little neighborhood hill I'm on makes them necessary at times. Thanks to those that give their insights and opinions....

pdxkid
07-06-2017, 08:21 PM
:cheers:Dropping the van off today to have the Nokian Rotiiva 235 75 15 load range E installed. Hopefully, the rubbing won't be too bad. Funny that I called countless tire places explaining what I wanted (10 ply, all terrain) and explained which size I currently have (225 70 15) and none of them could find anything. I guess they are simply looking at that exact size and not "thinking outside of the box" for solutions that might work. Very thankful to the forum members as I've saved several dollars over the years of owning this rig.:cheers:

pdxkid
07-10-2017, 02:00 PM
Just a quick word on our results with the new tires- Nokian Rotiiva 235 75 15 load range E. Cost at our local Big O Tires was about $740 total for 5 tires. These are fairly aggressive all terrain tires with the "snowflake" symbol and unique wear marks that indicate when the tire has 80%, 40% and 20% tread left. We are very pleased so far! Ride and handling have markedly improved and the front tires do not rub at all in either direction at full stop. I can't confirm if the rears rub or not as we don't have a lot of weight in the van currently. The tires look pretty cool on the van too, filling up the wheel wells more making for a more proportionate look. Pretty stoked we didn't go full in on 16" wheels so we can use that money for lift and tires and wheels on the Tacoma.

hulagun
07-11-2017, 01:10 PM
You're welcome PDX! When I started it I was hoping this thread would become a useful resource over time, so glad it is doing its job. Post a photo or two of your van? My 118 has had the Nokians on for 23 months now, and something like 20k miles including Death Valley. They've been great. They are now about 50% tread. I hope Nokian makes these for many years to come.

pdxkid
07-12-2017, 06:56 PM
Hulagun- I'd love to post a photo but I've never taken the time to figure out how. I can't use old age as an excuse. I'm a member of a few forums with the same format as this one and I'm constantly amazed at how clunky and non-user friendly they all are. Maybe someday I'll figure it out. I'm sure that if I "use the search feature" someone has posted instructions. I often use Tapatalk on my mobile or a work computer since I don't have a computer at home anymore. With no home computer, I don't have a bank of pictures to draw from. I know, I know, first world problems.

chris118
07-12-2017, 07:33 PM
Hi fellow 118 folks!
I finally wore out my Pirelli Scorpions LT235/75/r15 load D 110 tires and have found out the tires aren't made anymore..!
They were great and quiet with OK off road traction. Not great with sand.
The tires I had before were BFG AT Ko's LT235/75/r15 load c tires that lasted over 50k and were great for airing down in sandy spots in the Mojave and Mexico but they seemed like pure mush compared to the Load D Scorpions.

So doing some research as well as reading this I think I am going for the Nokian load E's. I keep a tons of gear(over 1500 pounds) in the van at all times and even with the upgraded sway bar, on windy days I wish the tires were stiffer.
But just to add to the list of load D LT235/75/r15's I also came across these Kumho mud terrains, but see they are on back order.
I remember how loud my BFG's were, so these are probably way loud, but also probably awesome off road.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Kumho&tireModel=Road+Venture+MT51&partnum=375QR5MT51&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes

autostaretx
07-12-2017, 08:51 PM
Hulagun- I'd love to post a photo but I've never taken the time to figure out how. I can't use old age as an excuse. I'm a member of a few forums with the same format as this one and I'm constantly amazed at how clunky and non-user friendly they all are. Maybe someday I'll figure it out. I'm sure that if I "use the search feature" someone has posted instructions. I often use Tapatalk on my mobile or a work computer since I don't have a computer at home anymore. With no home computer, I don't have a bank of pictures to draw from. I know, I know, first world problems.

Here is Vic's/aquaputana's post on the subject:
https://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?p=209279#post209279

... an alternative is to email the photo to me, (rseymour (at) wolfenet.com) and i'll post it to the thread (you have to remind me which thread, and a link to it would be appreciated)

The usual wall people hit is the inability to shrink their photo to the forum's 900 pixel wide upper limit.
I use Windows' Paint program to do that, others have used Google's Picasa, and my Android cell phone will offer to do it if i email the photo to myself (it offers full size, 70%, 30% and 10%). On my phone, 30% is still too large (ie. 1224 pixels), and 10% (about 400 pixels) is a bit too small for details. You could also download a photo editing app for your phone for the trimming/reduction.

There is also a 500 kbyte file size limit per photo, so JPG sneaks under that more easily than PNG.

--dick

deanoshiro
07-13-2017, 05:21 AM
Bought my 2500 that came with 265x60x18's

35 psi front 44 psi rears

I carry a full load of construction equipment with the help of a upper deck just below the window line behind the rear seat. Also duals as a platform for sleeping.

Drives, handles and rides like a dream even when full loaded.

pdxkid
07-13-2017, 01:48 PM
From the looks of the van in your avatar deanoshiro, you have a 144" wheelbase. This thread is dedicated to the strange bird that is the 118" wheelbase, which came from the factory with 15" wheels instead of the usual 16" wheels.

gmc
07-19-2017, 01:47 AM
2006 T1N, camper conversion here. Pictures here: https://www.instagram.com/betty.blanca/

Thanks for the tips everyone. :cheers: My steel wheels were somewhat corroded so I just upgraded to these 16" rims: http://www.wheelhero.com/customwheels/Ultra/450SB-Toil-Van-Black/wvid97879

These seem to be newly available for T1N sprinters, since I couldnít find any black alloy rims for the past few years. These were in one of Marshrogers pictures from the post on 7/5/17 from the sprinter forum in bellingham. They look awesome in person, but have yet to be mounted on the sprinter.

I also went with the Toyo Open Country HT 10 ply 225/75-16. WheelHero said they would fit and the forums are full of reports of this size tire working on the T1N, however Big O tires refused to put them on saying that the tires were too big would be ďtorn upĒ when they rubbed the wheel well going over bumps or whatever. This seems not-true based on what Iíve read here, but Iím a little hesitant to put these on myself if there is a potential safety issue with putting a tire on of this size.

Iím concerned that while I can remove the parts of the mud flap that are rubbing, I canít test the limits of the suspension bottoming out and wonít know for sure if they are too big or dangerous to use.

Anyone had any issues with 225/75-16 tires on a 118 T1N?

KGB Pilot125
07-19-2017, 03:08 AM
2006 T1N, camper conversion here. Pictures here: https://www.instagram.com/betty.blanca/

Thanks for the tips everyone. :cheers: My steel wheels were somewhat corroded so I just upgraded to these 16" rims: http://www.wheelhero.com/customwheels/Ultra/450SB-Toil-Van-Black/wvid97879

These seem to be newly available for T1N sprinters, since I couldnít find any black alloy rims for the past few years. These were in one of Marshrogers pictures from the post on 7/5/17 from the sprinter forum in bellingham. They look awesome in person, but have yet to be mounted on the sprinter.

I also went with the Toyo Open Country HT 10 ply 225/75-16. WheelHero said they would fit and the forums are full of reports of this size tire working on the T1N, however Big O tires refused to put them on saying that the tires were too big would be ďtorn upĒ when they rubbed the wheel well going over bumps or whatever. This seems not-true based on what Iíve read here, but Iím a little hesitant to put these on myself if there is a potential safety issue with putting a tire on of this size.

Iím concerned that while I can remove the parts of the mud flap that are rubbing, I canít test the limits of the suspension bottoming out and wonít know for sure if they are too big or dangerous to use.

Anyone had any issues with 225/75-16 tires on a 118 T1N?

if the 235/75R15 tires are close to rubbing (28.86 inches) and the 225/75R16 are
(29.3 inches) it might be really close. Although I am anxiousto hear if they fit or not, those wheels, 92 bucks at tire rack right now, and some michelin winter tires are on my list before Halloween.

gmc
07-19-2017, 02:41 PM
I will let you know if they fit. The rims definitely fit and look great. I'm hoping the width might make a difference while turning (8.9" for the 225/75R16 and 9.3" for the 235/75R15).

There are tons of people who run 225/75R16 on T1Ns from what I can tell, but maybe these don't fit on a 118? Does anyone know why the 118 comes with smaller wheels?

derekhski
07-19-2017, 04:12 PM
I don't mean to hijack the thread from 15" tires, but just want to give feed back to GMC.
I have changed to 16" on my T1N 118" I have both a set of Mercedes Alloys picked up used via the forum, and I have a set of after market rims. The aftermarket rims do touch in places, wheel wells in the front when turning.

The Mercedes rims, do not touch anywhere. It does make it hard to find chains that will fit the rear, with the limited space. Whether for Snow/ice or off road extraction.

see this thread for more dialog https://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31748&page=2

hulagun
07-19-2017, 04:27 PM
If you read thru this thread, you will learn why 15" tires came on 118 wb vans. I'm not saying I like 15" rims, but it is what it is. If changing to 16" rims was a perfect and cheap solution, everyone would do it.

gmc
07-20-2017, 05:47 AM
if the 235/75R15 tires are close to rubbing (28.86 inches) and the 225/75R16 are
(29.3 inches) it might be really close. Although I am anxiousto hear if they fit or not, those wheels, 92 bucks at tire rack right now, and some michelin winter tires are on my list before Halloween.

Tested out the front passenger wheel tonight. As expected, the tire rubs when turned left by ~10-15 degrees. The rub point is what others have described: the rear aspect of the wheel well at the forward-most bolt/screw for the mudflap (green arrow) (also see mudflap that has been partially cut back, blue arrows):
http://oi63.tinypic.com/mmzf3r.jpg

The wheel just brushes this screw, and it seems like a little wheel well hammering will do the trick. Any suggestions for how to approach the hammering job?

Pic of the clearance with wheel straight:
http://oi65.tinypic.com/t6rva1.jpg

Wheel is also slightly offset compared to the steel 15" and sticks out of the wheel well a little:
http://oi68.tinypic.com/rt1105.jpg

hulagun
07-20-2017, 06:20 AM
Probably worth mentioning here, is that 16" tires would work better on our little 118wb vans if we had the same added front body lift in front as the longer vans came with. One forum member fitted the Timbren MBFSP35 Suspension Enhancement System to his van and, if I recall correctly, said it increased ground clearance. If the kit adds 1/2" + in front, that might be the cheapest and easiest way to go. Thoughts?

ECU
07-20-2017, 03:24 PM
I disagree. I have 15" tires and new tires rub at the back, mudflap area for a few days when I turn. Jacking UP the van won't affect this clearance.
My 15" tires will have the same diameter as a 16". The advantage of 16" is there are more choices.

hulagun
07-21-2017, 01:57 AM
My oversized 15" tires don't rub at all. But they do come closer to the fenderwells and mud flaps. Especially on bumpy dirt roads and off road.

KGB Pilot125
07-21-2017, 03:49 AM
Cant wait to see pics full van pics GMC.

Right now I am looking for a winter tire solution but not really finding much that meets the load requirements. I know what I usually haul, what I can tow and am aware of how the RMA and somewhat DOT view on winter tire requirements when it comes to speed rating but I am up in the air on how I feel about the load requirement, ability to carry proper weight right into a ditch or sliding through an intersection or carry less and not die!

pdxkid
07-21-2017, 12:38 PM
KGB Pilot125 fwiw the Nokians have the "snowflake" rating and are 10 ply or Load range "E". 235 75 15 fits our van and many others without rubbing. Would these fit the bill for you?

KGB Pilot125
07-21-2017, 01:51 PM
KGB Pilot125 fwiw the Nokians have the "snowflake" rating and are 10 ply or Load range "E". 235 75 15 fits our van and many others without rubbing. Would these fit the bill for you?

They are on my list, I wish I could test them though. I am little nervous with what looks like a lack of small sipes and biting edges but then I have to remember they are doing a lot with compounding over physical features in current tire tech.

And my nervousness is probably unfounded as I got to drive the Ko2 in vermont at the michelin 4x4 training center in the winter and was very impressed with them and they also are a AT with the snowflake.

I am just use to my winter tires being full of sipes and very soft, my last 4 sets have been either Ipike RW11 or a Michelin Xice family (either the 2 or 3) depending on the vehicle.

KGB Pilot125
07-21-2017, 04:59 PM
Found the rotiva a/that for 79 each, for that price I'm going to try them out. Even if they aren't the best in the world they will be 1000% better than these ridiculous Goodyear cargos.

hulagun
07-21-2017, 11:48 PM
Found the rotiva a/that for 79 each, for that price I'm going to try them out. Even if they aren't the best in the world they will be 1000% better than these ridiculous Goodyear cargos.

Where? Thanks

KGB Pilot125
07-22-2017, 02:26 AM
Where? Thanks

place called TDX here in Denver. its a new wholesaler here in town.

I also saw on ebay and amazon for around 100 bucks a tire shipped.

gmc
07-24-2017, 02:45 AM
Probably worth mentioning here, is that 16" tires would work better on our little 118wb vans if we had the same added front body lift in front as the longer vans came with. One forum member fitted the Timbren MBFSP35 Suspension Enhancement System to his van and, if I recall correctly, said it increased ground clearance. If the kit adds 1/2" + in front, that might be the cheapest and easiest way to go. Thoughts?

(Sorry for the delayed reply, Hulagun)

Would be interested to know if lifting works. I would suspect that it would still rub while hitting a bump. However, with the displacement of the arc of wheel movement during compression, I could also see a situation where the wheel misses the rub-point altogether.

Does anyone know what the "baseball bat" technique is? (suggested by derekhski in https://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38460). I've seen people bend their fenders with a heat gun and baseball bat on videos, but this doesn't seem to apply to the T1n. Anyone done this or know of any good write ups on this or write-ups on hammering the wheel well?

KGB Pilot125
07-25-2017, 02:14 PM
Sounds like they are "rolling the fenders" with the bat and using the tire as the leverage point. pretty simple to do, I think tirerack even has a fender rolling tool.

Basically all you are doing is pushing the fender lip back and getting it out of the way of the tire. youtube should be full of fender rolling techniques, I would probably check eastwoods channel first.

rafikiwilliams
08-31-2017, 11:47 PM
Just got a set of Nokian Rotiiva AT LT235/75R15 in the mail. Ended up paying $400/4 delivered via eBay. Price has since gone up to $460, http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-NEW-Nokian-Rotiiva-AT-LT235-75R15-E-10PR-BSW-/222146021759

I have a 2004 118" - already removed mudflats incase of rubbing, doesn't look like id need to do anything else, but curious if anyone out there has had to bang out the fenders or anything with these... Thanks! Im stoked on the new tires, upgrading from the destination AT tires that the previous owner had on the van.

hulagun
09-01-2017, 12:52 AM
Just got a set of Nokian Rotiiva AT LT235/75R15...
I have a 2004 118" - already removed mudflats incase of rubbing, doesn't look like id need to do anything else, but curious if anyone out there has had to bang out the fenders or anything with these....
Have you read the first few pages of this thread? You should be good to go! 🖒

AutoAgent
09-02-2017, 04:07 AM
I went with 16" MB alloy rims from Europarts-SD and Michelin LTX-MS2 225/75-16 which are "D" rated. Just a little rubbing on the mudflaps which was quickly fixed with tin-snips. Really like them so far.

Eric

I too went with 16" MB rims and General LT tires. It is all fine, but there is quite a bit of rubbing on the mudflaps, which both puzzles me and tells me that the 118" is really a different beast, even down to the wheel wells. The longer vans have larger openings. Had I or my Mercedes dealer known this before I switched from the 15" steels rims, I may not have gone to 16" rims. It handles well (alloys do as compared to steel), but I would have switched to 15" alloys, so they fit in the wheel well better and wouldn't annoy me by rubbing and chewing up my mud flaps!

AutoAgent
09-02-2017, 04:11 AM
You do not need to roll the fenders. You don't need to remove the mudflaps, just cut them back a bit where they rub.

hulagun
09-02-2017, 04:36 AM
I too went with 16" MB rims and General LT tires. It is all fine, but there is quite a bit of rubbing on the mudflaps, which both puzzles me and tells me that the 118" is really a different beast, even down to the wheel wells. The longer vans have larger openings. Had I or my Mercedes dealer known this before I switched from the 15" steels rims, I may not have gone to 16" rims. It handles well (alloys do as compared to steel), but I would have switched to 15" alloys, so they fit in the wheel well better...

I think keeping the 15" rims on a 118wb van is a fine option, if you run 235/75-15 D or E range tires. The longer 140" vans use generally the same wheel opening sheet metal, I think, as the shorter vans do. But in 2004 the 140" and 158" wb vans got 16" rims, and also got a body lift shim in the front. About 20mm. The 118 wb vans did not get either. That's the only difference I've heard of, except springs.

Has anyone weighed a 16" alloy wheel and tire vs a 15" steel wheel and tire? I'm skeptical theres enough difference in weight to make a noticeable difference in handling. I always thought aluminum wheels were for looks.

zurvan7
09-25-2017, 02:33 AM
I have 03 Fr.Sprinter 2500 118"wb 15"wheels. How does the Nokian Rotiiva AT LT235/75R15 E fits in the spare tire cage? Does it fit? Thank you

hulagun
09-25-2017, 03:04 AM
I have 03 Fr.Sprinter 2500 118"wb 15"wheels. How does the Nokian Rotiiva AT LT235/75R15 E fits in the spare tire cage? Does it fit? Thank you

Smart question. It doesn't, unless you deflate it somewhat. I carry a compressor, so that's what I do. However the stock cage can be modified to fit, if you have welding skills.

autostaretx
09-25-2017, 03:30 AM
... But in 2004 the 140" and 158" wb vans got 16" rims, and also got a body lift shim in the front. About 20mm. The 118 wb vans did not get either. That's the only difference I've heard of, except springs.
In the parts catalogs, they cite a 17mm difference in wheelbase based upon wheel size.

From the "how to decode the VIN" on the first page of the 2006 catalog:

1 = 2500C/C2500/P2500 3000 mm 15 in. wheel 8,001 - 9,000 lbs. Class G
6 = 2500C/C2500/P2500 3567 mm 16in. wheel 8,001 - 9,000 lbs. Class G
7 = 2500C/C2500/P2500 4042 mm 16in. wheel 8,001 - 9,000 lbs. Class G
8 = 3500C 3567 mm 16in. wheel 10,001 - 14,000 lbs. Class 3
9 = 3500C 4042 mm 16 in. wheel 10,001 - 14,000 lbs. Class 3
4 = 3500C/C3500 3550 mm 15 in. wheel 9,001 - 10,000 lbs. Class H
5 = 3500C/C3500 4025 mm 15 in. wheel 9,001 - 10,000 lbs. Class H

--dick (the 2002 catalog has different codings, but at least the same mix:

1 = 2500C/C2500/P2500 3000 mm 15 in. wheel 8,001 - 9,000 lbs. Class G
2 = 2500C/C2500/P2500 3550 mm 15 in. wheel 8,001 - 9,000 lbs. Class G
6 = 2500C/C2500/P2500 3567 mm 16in. wheel 8,001 - 9,000 lbs. Class G
3 = 2500C/C2500/P2500 4025 mm 15 in. wheel 8,001 - 9,000 lbs. Class G
5 = 3500C/C3500 4025 mm 15 in. wheel 9,001 - 10,000 lbs. Class H
7 = 2500C/C2500/P2500 4042 mm 16in. wheel 8,001 - 9,000 lbs. Class G
4 = 3500C/C3500 3550 mm 15 in. wheel 9,001 - 10,000 lbs. Class H

zurvan7
09-25-2017, 05:21 PM
Thank you hulagun. That is a good news tire fits in the cage even it has to be little bit deflated. Did you experience any rubbing when in sharp turns (U-Turns) or with heavy loads with Nokian Rotiiva AT LT235/75R15 E ? Thank you.

hulagun
09-26-2017, 06:34 AM
Thank you hulagun. That is a good news tire fits in the cage even it has to be little bit deflated. Did you experience any rubbing when in sharp turns (U-Turns) or with heavy loads with Nokian Rotiiva AT LT235/75R15 E ? Thank you.

Z, I have not noticed any tire rubbing, ever. However I doubt I've ever had more than 1500 lbs of passengers, gear and bikes loaded into my cargo van. I have driven it quite a bit off road in some pretty bad sections of fire road (I don't take it on serious jeep trails), and it does okay.

The rear mud flaps were missing when I bought my van, and the DPO told me that they were knocked off the first time he used snow chains with the 235/75R15 tires. So that tells you the clearance is tight. I never replaced them.

The tires on it when I bought it were C rated tires and the owner ran them happily for almost 100k with no issues. When it was time for me to replace those, I chose to go with the same size. The 235/75R15 tires improve speedometer accuracy, improve handling, and look better. I bought D rated Rotiivas because I suspect that E rated tires are too stiff for the little 118 van. Mine rides like a truck already, I saw no need to make it stiffer. I love the Rotiivas.

zurvan7
10-05-2017, 02:46 AM
October 20017.
So I was looking around for tires for while and I found some good tires in local independent shops and of course online too. I have on my van Vanco 2 225/70R 15C Load D 112/110 and spare is Continental VancoFourSeason 225/70R 15C Load D 112/110. That Continental is not available in my size but you can get it in dif. sizes. Vanco 2 now available online for limited time. I think Vanco 2 is great tire.
Tires available all around US in small shops or online. All tires bellow are 225/70R-15C Load D 112/110 or 112.

$153 - CONTINENTAL VANCO 2 225/70R15C Part#04511560000 https://simpletire.com/continental-225-70r15c-04511560000-tires

$152 - GOODYEAR CARGO G26 - C225/70R15 https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Goodyear&tireModel=Cargo+G26&partnum=27R5G26

$125 - Maxxis : UE-168(N) Bravo Series 225/70R-15 Part#TL15821000 https://www.tires-easy.com/225-70-15/maxxis-tires/bravo-series-ue-168-n/tirecode/TL15821000

$??? - Nexen Radial A/T RV 225/70 R15 Part#10552NXK http://blackmountaintire.com/catalog/tires#u=/LoadRange:13

$??? - Michelin Agilis 225/70R15 112/110S http://www.plonk-tire.com/Michelin-Agilis-Tire-detail.htm?productId=3163167&optionId=

$ 85 - THUNDERER RANGER R402 225/70R-15C Part # TH0418 https://simpletire.com/thunderer-225-70r15c-th0418-tires

$ 85 - RADAR RV-5 225/70R-15 Part #: RZC0046 https://simpletire.com/radar-225-70r15-rzc0046-tires

$ 87 - VITOUR V3000 LT225/70R-15 Part #: 7060113 https://simpletire.com/vitour-lt225-70r15-7060113-tires

$ 96 - ZEETEX CT1000 LT225/70R-15 Part #: 1200032182 https://simpletire.com/zeetex-lt225-70r15-1200032182-tires

$117 - RADAR ARGONITE RV-4S 225/70R-15 Part #: RSD0008 https://simpletire.com/radar-225-70r15-rsd0008-tires

$299 - Nokian - Hakka C Cargo - 225/70R15C 112/110S Part # T443303 https://www.carshoez.com/4-new-nokian-hakka-c-cargo-225-70r15c-112-110s.html

$137 - Nokian C Line Cargo 225/70R15C D/8PR Part # T429236 https://www.tires-easy.com/225-70-15/nokian-tires/c-line-cargo/tirecode/T429236

Zeetex - Dubai, U.A.E.
Vitour - China
Radar - Omni United. Omni United Pte. Ltd is a tire manufacturer and distributor headquartered in Singapore-Malaysia. The company designs and produces tires in partnership with manufacturers based in the United States, China, India, Indonesia and Thailand
Thunderer - Thailand
Nexen - Korea
Nokian - Finland
Maxxis - China-Operating under the name Maxxis in some countries, Cheng Shin has operations in China, Taiwan, Thailand, Vietnam, United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Germany, Netherlands, Japan, India, Indonesia and Dubai
Continental - Germany

https://www.utires.com/articles/tires-made-usa-american-foreign-brands/
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/tires/where-are-tires-made

zurvan7
10-30-2017, 01:08 AM
I wish to go with Rotiva AT 235/75R15 E Load for my 03 Sprinter 118 but some Sprinter owners in this thread have issues with rubbing and none of them has load over 1500-1800 lbs. None of them sure if they would scrape top of the wheel well when fully loaded or not fully loaded but over bums might scrape but some of them dont have any problems at all and they super happy with Rotiva AT in the 235/75R15. So confusing and risky to get these Rotivas, it might work or it might not work for me. If I get some bigger load it might rub or scrape.... I went to Discount tire to ask and it shows in red Do not install it will rub somewhere so it is not 100% fit for sure. That bothers me a lot.
I guess I better stay with original and recommended size LT225/70R 15C D Load which is enough for my 03 118 GVWR 8550 lbs . Nokian WRC3 tires are too expensive but seems they have cheaper version T429236 Nokian C Line Cargo 225/70R15C D/8PR 112-110S for about 130 bucks. Anyone tried these? Thank you
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00V8KT3KY/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I17PBC6YMEVB3N&colid=1I0DPF816PJQV
https://www.nokiantires.com/summer-tires/nokian-cline-cargo/

zurvan7
11-01-2017, 05:38 PM
Z, I have not noticed any tire rubbing, ever. However I doubt I've ever had more than 1500 lbs of passengers, gear and bikes loaded into my cargo van. I have driven it quite a bit off road in some pretty bad sections of fire road (I don't take it on serious jeep trails), and it does okay.

The rear mud flaps were missing when I bought my van, and the DPO told me that they were knocked off the first time he used snow chains with the 235/75R15 tires. So that tells you the clearance is tight. I never replaced them.

The tires on it when I bought it were C rated tires and the owner ran them happily for almost 100k with no issues. When it was time for me to replace those, I chose to go with the same size. The 235/75R15 tires improve speedometer accuracy, improve handling, and look better. I bought D rated Rotiivas because I suspect that E rated tires are too stiff for the little 118 van. Mine rides like a truck already, I saw no need to make it stiffer. I love the Rotiivas.

Do you think Rotiivas 235/75R15 would scrape top of wheel well from inside when fully loaded or almost fully loaded? Thank you

hulagun
11-01-2017, 05:41 PM
Do you think Rotiivas 235/75R15 would scrape top of wheel well from inside when fully loaded or almost fully loaded? Thank you

No, I dont, but what is fully loaded? Are you carrying bicycles? or bricks?

zurvan7
11-01-2017, 05:54 PM
No, I dont, but what is fully loaded? Are you carrying bicycles? or bricks?

I have some offer for job to deliver stuff by pallets and Im not sure how much weight I will put in it. They said 1000-2000 lbs sometimes up to 3500 lbs which is almost fully loaded since I cant carry more then 4000 lbs. So Im thinking to have it ready for full load.

hulagun
11-01-2017, 07:39 PM
I have some offer for job to deliver stuff by pallets and Im not sure how much weight I will put in it. They said 1000-2000 lbs sometimes up to 3500 lbs which is almost fully loaded since I cant carry more then 4000 lbs. So Im thinking to have it ready for full load.
I dont have the specs in my head, but if memory serves, it seems like you might overload your little van if you put over a 3000 lb load in it. You sure on your numbers?

zurvan7
11-01-2017, 08:40 PM
I dont have the specs in my head, but if memory serves, it seems like you might overload your little van if you put over a 3000 lb load in it. You sure on your numbers?

Thank you for your comment. I was not sure about those numbers. Sticker on B panel is missing so I just put hard guess and it was kind of guess on what that shipper said. I dont want my Sprinter to be overloaded for sure. I did some research and this site says:

My 03 118 High Ceiling CURB weight is 4857 lbs and Gross Weight is 8550 lbs. 8550-4857=3693 lbs. Not sure if I have to count my weight with curb weight if so then minus 253 = 3440 lbs of load. I was way off with 4000 lbs. Im still not 100% sure if this is correct. Anyone in forum correct me if Im wrong.

(If I have 03 158 S High C Curb weight is 5539 lbs so load max is 2758 lbs)

https://www.edmunds.com/dodge/sprinter/2003/features-specs/

autostaretx
11-02-2017, 04:13 AM
You also have to add the fuel to your curb weight... and 26 gallons is roughly 150 pounds.

The best answer is to *weigh* your Sprinter with full fuel and yourself in the seat.

Certified scales (frequently CAT branded) exist ... (in the old days you'd just look in the Yellow Pages, nowadays it's Google). About $15.

Some states' truck weigh stations leave the scales on when the station is not operating ... you can just drive on to the platform (do it slowly, so you can weigh your front wheels, both, then back wheels to see the weight distribution.)

--dick (i think my lightly-loaded 118 short roof was 5260 pounds (with 330 pounds of occupants, 200 lbs of 'stuff', not full fuel)

zurvan7
11-02-2017, 05:04 AM
Thank you guys

hulagun
11-02-2017, 04:36 PM
Someone mentioned in another thread (sorry, I dont have the link) that dropping the spare tire cage to a set of lower mounting holes allows the 235/75-15 spare to fit fully inflated. I have not verified this, but thought it was relevant here (relevant to an earlier question in this thread). Might save a fellow van owner some trouble.

ches
12-14-2017, 04:07 PM
I have been researching tires for our 06 118" t1n low roof, and have come up with the Nokian C-line, Goodyear cargo G-26, Thunderer Ranger, and Radar Argonite. The van came with the Goodyear Cargovector (which I didn't care for much) which I replaced with the Continental Vanco at 48,000 mi. We now have 93,500 mi. The Vancos have close to 3/16" tread but look pretty brittle from the sun (here in N.M.). We use the van for camping and occasional hauling of building materials. I seem to prefer summer tires for their smoother ride and better mileage (30MPG); even though the traction is terrible. Also I want to stick with the 15" rims and standard tire size and specs (225/70R15C...). Would appreciate any comments, thoughts, suggestions. Thanks in advance and I love this 118" T1n ONLY thread.

FLsprinter
12-23-2017, 01:56 PM
245/70-R16 AT with front lift and minor cutting

Van compass lift only in the front, the 118 passenger has crazy take from factory

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171223/e52d1519bc946d1458a618f497d8cb72.jpg


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ches
01-07-2018, 03:55 PM
I decided on the Maxxis UE 168 [225/70R15C 112/110 summer tire] from Simple Tire. Tire Rack had nothing, Big O had nothing and Discount Tire had the Goodyear Cargo for over $1000.
Simple Tire had the Maxxis for $132.98/tire which included shipping via Fedex. I had them shipped to my mechanic who installed them for $105+tax (a bit more for mounting than Big O would charge but worth dealing with my local mechanic). Simple Tire had some cheaper options but I chose Maxxis because I could find more details about them to confirm they met all the standards required.
Driving home yesterday I thought they felt a little squishy but the ride was quiet and smooth (the reason I prefer summer tires as well as the better MPG). I will do an update in a couple of months.

kensuelo
07-06-2018, 08:32 AM
245/70-R16 AT with front lift and minor cutting

Van compass lift only in the front, the 118 passenger has crazy take from factory

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171223/e52d1519bc946d1458a618f497d8cb72.jpg


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Sweet set-up. Do you find it rides level with gear in the back?
How are the BFGs handling over the past 6 months?

hulagun
11-20-2018, 08:41 PM
I found these while looking for new tires today. Anybody ever run these? Note: D rated.

Kenda Klever A/T (KR28) LT235/75R-15
"All-terrain performance with the capability of tackling your favorite local trail or your everyday urban work route. The unique tread design enables traction for various applications and conditions.
Features & Benefits:
Aggressive sidewall and unique tread design enables traction for all applications and conditions
Double steel-belted construction gives a long-lasting wear and uniformity
3-ply sidewall in select sizes"

FWIW, my Nokia Rotiiva AT 235/75R15's are at about 17,000 miles of 80% road use / 20% off road and snow. They are great all around. But at 17k it is time to get some new rubber!!!

hulagun
12-02-2018, 06:30 PM
2005 Sprinter 118

I didnít plan ahead well for new tiresÖ if I had, I might have purchased 16" rims. For expediency, I just replaced my 15Ē tires with the same size and model that I had on it, Nokian Rotiiva AT in the 235/75R15 size.

The last set were ordered as D-Rated (8 ply) however they showed up as the XL-rated version (4 ply), and I didnít notice until after they were mounted. Doh! The van has since driven all over California and Nevada on them happily for over three years now.

This time but I wanted to try tires with the D or E rating. The D-rated versions are not available. So my little van as of yesterday has Rotiiva AT E-rated (10 ply) version tires fitted.

The last set of these Nokians only lasted about 20k miles. Thatís about half the mileage I expected, but I bought them again anyway because I really liked them. A shorter life may be due to the fact that I run them 98% on dry roads at 38 lbs (possibly under inflated) in an attempt to soften the ride. Off pavement I air down to 28 lbs. They donít seem to mind and it helps traction up hills in slippery stuff.

The last set worked well in Death Valley on gravel and dirt roads, and up in the mountains in light snow. They were not too good in slippery mud and on packed snow, but to be fair that was when the ASR was not functioning. I never really had a chance to try them in mud, snow, or in loose sand, with the ASR functional. I have never chained up yet (although the van has been towed up a couple slippery hills by helpful 4x4 rigs). My ABS is working again now, and the ASR along with it.

Iím really hoping I wonít have reason to regret fitting the 10-ply tires. Iíll report back here after I get a chance to drive around on them some and try different air pressures.

Nomadic81
12-03-2018, 09:59 PM
I am running Bf goodrich allterain ko2 235 75 r15 load range c. They fill up the whole wheel well but they do not rub under any load. i was in arizona and california and no one had tires they would sell me because of the load rating. it was really hard to find someone that would sell me and install tires. this is what i got. they look really good too.

aldsmith3
12-03-2018, 10:25 PM
2005 Sprinter 118

Iím really hoping I wonít have reason to regret fitting the 10-ply tires. Iíll report back here after I get a chance to drive around on them some and try different air pressures.



Glad to see this thread is still trending along. I just got some Nokian Rotiiva AT in the 235/75R15 size as well installed on my '05 118". Will have to see how they fair over the next months.

I had to trim just a bit out of the front mud flaps to keep them from rubbing. I, too, found it limited to locate D or E load rated tires in the 15" size. I have thought about going to 16" rims. I had Michelin LTX's on my '06 158" and those things last a lonnnnnng time! Bummer that the Nokians might not go the same amount of distance. I am excited, though, about the increased traction off-pavement. I live up an occasionally loose and wet mountain road in rural Western NC and the highway treads of my old Vanco 2's weren't cutting it!

hulagun - I want to paint my stock rims black as well. Any advice for completing this process? Did you sand at all?

Thanks!

aldsmith3
12-08-2018, 06:13 PM
Also. What PSI are folks running on their Nokians? I'm playing around with around 50 PSI front and 54 PSI rear? Any suggestions. My 118" runs unloaded.

hulagun
12-09-2018, 05:48 PM
Glad to see this thread is still trending along. I just got some Nokian Rotiiva AT in the 235/75R15 size as well installed on my '05 118". Will have to see how they fair over the next months.

I had to trim just a bit out of the front mud flaps to keep them from rubbing.

hulagun - I want to paint my stock rims black as well. Any advice for completing this process? Did you sand at all?

Thanks!

Aldsmith, I didnt have to trim anything when I fitted the Rotiivas, but its possible the previous owner did that as he was running Firestone AT tires in the same oversize.

I'm currently running 52 lbs front and back, unloaded 118 cargo. Not settled on that, just experimenting. Van drives great but feels a bit odd driving like it has a loose wheel or something. I need to have a Sprinter experienced shop look at the alignment. Also, the original shocks are worn out.

I used red Scotchbrite and Simple Green to scrub clean and scuff the wheels. Then used Eastwood Satin Black wheel paint. It's held up well.

DIYVanMan
12-11-2018, 06:33 PM
Hi Derekhski. I have a 2005 Freightliner 118 T1N passenger which came with LT 215/75R15 BF Goodrich TA w/ M/S traction & C load range. These are on the stock steel (ie scratched/peeling/ugly) wheels. I am considering going to a new 15" wheel and new tires if i can find an affordable set. Which 15" Mercedes Alloy wheels are you using? Do they work well?

DIYVanMan
12-11-2018, 06:38 PM
Do you like your Toyo A/T open country LT235/75R15s? What is the load rating? I'm assuming you have 118" T1N. What wheels are you using? Many thanks!

DIYVanMan
12-11-2018, 07:04 PM
These Kendas look good. I'm using GFGoodrich LT215/75R15s on stock steel wheels at the moment. Do LT235/75R-15s fit without rubbing etc?

aldsmith3
12-12-2018, 07:41 PM
I'm currently running 52 lbs front and back, unloaded 118 cargo. Not settled on that, just experimenting. Van drives great but feels a bit odd driving like it has a loose wheel or something. I need to have a Sprinter experienced shop look at the alignment. Also, the original shocks are worn out.

Thanks. I'm trying out 55 psi on all four corners. Seems the rolling resistance was noticeable, esp. on the mpg on my Scanguage with anything less. I also had some worn out highway treads on their, so rolling resistance was very little.


I used red Scotchbrite and Simple Green to scrub clean and scuff the wheels. Then used Eastwood Satin Black wheel paint. It's held up well.


Thanks for this too. I think this will be a spring project since the weather has finally decided to turn to winter here in the Southeast.