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mctucker
05-06-2015, 04:41 AM
Hey guys. I've been doing a lot of reading and trying to get my information together. Thursday I am going to the coast of NC to look at a 06' Freightliner 158. I have been reading what things to look for, such as the black death and rust. I am going to check for rust, but with this not being a vehicle from the Northeast, I don't think this is as big of a concern for me. I plan to take it to a dealership to have them run codes and give me their opinion before buying. The vehicle has 251k miles on it and is going for $9300. From everything else I have found this seems to be a pretty fair rate. It was a corporate fleet vehicle, which I know can be good or bad. Does have regular maintenance reports, but might also have been beat to hell. Since I am new to the forums I wanted to get a post in and express my excitement on beginning my sprinter adventures as well as look for any feedback you guys might have for my first purchase. The vehicle is a dually with a lift gate on the back. I work in the film industry and need something to load my film carts into, so this is actually right up my alley. Looking forward to hearing what everyone has to say and keeping you posted with how things go.

Tooth Fairy
05-06-2015, 08:15 AM
Welcome mctucker. :hugs:

Im sure you wont be disappointed with the T1N, I bought mine just 6 months or so ago and now wish I had of bought one sooner.

pfflyer
05-06-2015, 12:43 PM
Welcome. Sounds like you have a handle on things. If the dealer is just running a scan, check other things which might not work but not throw a code like door locks and power windows. Door locks are not a big deal in whole but can be easy to pesky to trouble shoot and fix.

mctucker
05-06-2015, 01:59 PM
The truck has a Freightliner badge on it, but I'm under the impression that all Sprinters are Mercedes bones and engine. With that being said, do I take it to a Mercedes dealer to have them check it out? Or do I need to go to a Freightliner dealer?

Aqua Puttana
05-06-2015, 02:16 PM
The truck has a Freightliner badge on it, but I'm under the impression that all Sprinters are Mercedes bones and engine. With that being said, do I take it to a Mercedes dealer to have them check it out? Or do I need to go to a Freightliner dealer?
All NAS aka NAFTA Sprinters are completely Mercedes vehicles with the exception of any conversion company modifications.

Not all Mercedes dealerships are equipped/authorized to work on Sprinters. All Freightliner dealerships will support Sprinters, but some are more knowledgeable/familiar than others. As time passes Dodge dealerships are a bit of a wild card. The badge/brand on the Sprinter doesn't matter as to service. Rumors here indicate that even when equipped some MB dealerships look down their noses at Dodge and Freightliner badged Sprinters.

There are some sticky threads at the top of the T1N Database section which may help for your inspection.

vic

mctucker
05-06-2015, 03:49 PM
Another quick question. As I mentioned before, the $9300 price tag seems to fall in line with the mileage being at 251k. I've been reading that a well maintained Sprinter can easily get 500k miles. How soon do you think I will be looking at needing to make basic replacements on parts with that kind of mileage? When will I need to look at replacing the transmission? This will be a work truck and will primarily be used driving around town, but there will be film work out of state that I might end up driving to as well. So it will rack up some decent mileage, but it's not like this is going to be used as an RV and I'm traveling the country with it.

pfflyer
05-06-2015, 11:00 PM
Another quick question. As I mentioned before, the $9300 price tag seems to fall in line with the mileage being at 251k. I've been reading that a well maintained Sprinter can easily get 500k miles. How soon do you think I will be looking at needing to make basic replacements on parts with that kind of mileage? When will I need to look at replacing the transmission? This will be a work truck and will primarily be used driving around town, but there will be film work out of state that I might end up driving to as well. So it will rack up some decent mileage, but it's not like this is going to be used as an RV and I'm traveling the country with it.

Hard to tell. Some owners here have very high mileage 500k-750k with original tranny and engine. My 02 with 367k miles needed the rear end re-built when I got it and things run by belt needed replacing over 400k but not sure how many times before or if they had been replaced.

surlyoldbill
05-07-2015, 01:53 AM
It's a crapshoot. It could go another 500k with no real problems, or crap out after only a few hundred miles.
People usually don't sell a high mileage car they think is going to last a lot longer, mostly they sell them because they think they are about done, and want to sell a RUNNING car rather than a "mechanic's special". I haven't heard of too many blown engines, just the stuff that bolts to the outside (injectors, starter, fuel pumps, egr, rarely a turbo, etc). I HAVE heard about transmissions needing replacement before 500k, though.

cuda 1
05-07-2015, 03:07 AM
I just bought a 05 120,000 mile that has never been out of Naples Florida for $8,000 140 low roof , I don't under stand why they keep their value the way they do , just because MB made them? I'm NOT impressed , I still have my GMC Savana , the sprinter is like a tin can, my wife drove it once , she said "I NEVER want to drive that again" we have had American conversion vans since a new E150 in 1977.

surlyoldbill
05-07-2015, 04:41 AM
I just bought a 05 120,000 mile that has never been out of Naples Florida for $8,000 140 low roof , I don't under stand why they keep their value the way they do , just because MB made them? I'm NOT impressed , I still have my GMC Savana , the sprinter is like a tin can, my wife drove it once , she said "I NEVER want to drive that again" we have had American conversion vans since a new E150 in 1977.

Cars are expensive these days, even used ones. At least here on the West Coast. Unless it's rusted out, you got a very good deal. We recently bought a 2001 Passat with bad paint and 130k for $5000, it was the best deal we could find on short notice. New cars average over $30k, and pickups almost $40k. NICE cars and trucks are all over $50k. Remembering my folks buying a brand new loaded Impala for about $4k makes me shake my head when I see what cars cost these days.

Aqua Puttana
05-07-2015, 12:11 PM
Cars are expensive these days, even used ones. At least here on the West Coast. Unless it's rusted out, you got a very good deal. We recently bought a 2001 Passat with bad paint and 130k for $5000, it was the best deal we could find on short notice. New cars average over $30k, and pickups almost $40k. NICE cars and trucks are all over $50k. Remembering my folks buying a brand new loaded Impala for about $4k makes me shake my head when I see what cars cost these days.
I agree.

I found an interesting tidbit in the 1995 Buick Regal that we just traded in for a 2015 Hyundai Elantra. The original Buick sticker was in the glove compartment. With minimal options $18,345.00 if I recall down to the small dollars correctly.

The fairly well optioned Hyundai sticker was about 3 grand higher than that 20 years later. The Elantra is a bit smaller... but not that much smaller.

That was a bit of a reality check for me on prices.

:cheers: vic

mctucker
05-07-2015, 02:52 PM
Well I got there and someone had already put down a deposit. ended up having more rust on it than I would have liked to have dealt with. They did a terrible job trying to hide it with a cheap paint job. Really glad I grew up around automotive refinishing. Headed to Raleigh to look at a 2008 Dodge with less miles. Little more than I want to spend, but looks to be in much better shape

ECU
05-07-2015, 03:15 PM
Talked with a guy who flips cars. He said that a car with DEQ and plates will sell for about $12 if it is a total piece of junk. A nice clean car with no registration and no DEQ is worth a donation. The illegals buy cars as throw aways. With no insurance, if they get pulled over the car will be impounded. Just go get another.
I had a friend that had an old blue Ford Escort he wanted to sell for $650. It ran well but had expired plates because the guy was too poor to register. A guy came to look at it and test drive it. Swapped plates from his car, then never came back from the test drive. Should have known since he drove up in a blue Ford Escort too.

surlyoldbill
05-07-2015, 04:16 PM
Talked with a guy who flips cars. He said that a car with DEQ and plates will sell for about $12 if it is a total piece of junk. A nice clean car with no registration and no DEQ is worth a donation. The illegals buy cars as throw aways. With no insurance, if they get pulled over the car will be impounded. Just go get another.
I had a friend that had an old blue Ford Escort he wanted to sell for $650. It ran well but had expired plates because the guy was too poor to register. A guy came to look at it and test drive it. Swapped plates from his car, then never came back from the test drive. Should have known since he drove up in a blue Ford Escort too.

Passing smog test is a big plus in CA (populated counties; rural counties do not have smog requirements), I think that licensed lots are not allowed to sell used cars that do not have current smog test. Like you mentioned, current tags are valued because the new owner will likely not register the car. Other States may have different rules and regulations that add or detract from the "street" price. Foreign citizens who are residing in the USA in violation of the law DO drive throw-away cars, and according to stats, 46% of cars on the roads in CA do not have insurance. It is a good idea to have a dashcam, and one in the rear, to help catch these uninsured people when they crash in to you and flee.

On the used car selling topic; my brother was helping my Mom sell her old BMW X5 (too many miles to be valued as a trade in). A lot of tire kickers, and one guy was genuinely interested in it but wanted to drive it for a few days to see if they liked it. Fair enough, my brother got all their info. Two weeks later after numerous calls back and forth they finally brought the X5 back, with about 2000 miles put on the odometer, and said they didn't think it would work for them! Basically, they got a free rental car for a roadtrip. Lesson learned. The X5 did sell to someone a few weeks later.