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bikerjoe
04-02-2008, 10:16 PM
I love everything about my 2004 Sprinter 250 except that it is not a crew cab. At the time, they weren't even made, as far as I can tell. Are they made NOW? Can I buy one in CommieFornia NOW?

sikwan
04-02-2008, 10:24 PM
Are you kidding? No. And neither is anything else worth having. :smirk:

nort
04-04-2008, 01:18 PM
The dealer listed my '04 as a crew cab because it has only one bench seat and a finished interior. Is the crew cab you are referring to like a pickup crew cab?

sikwan
04-04-2008, 02:09 PM
Is the crew cab you are referring to like a pickup crew cab?

http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3066

mean_in_green
04-04-2008, 09:26 PM
I'm confused: I know for certain that crew cabs have been available since original T1, so why would you think they weren't available in 2004?

Altered Sprinter
04-04-2008, 10:41 PM
Where in the heck:thinking: does that ultimate..Twin Cab chassis unit Sprinter of Bikerjoes photo keep disappearing into !
There stay put.
Richard
6986

bikerjoe
04-06-2008, 06:52 AM
Gosh, if only they would make this, I'd sign the papers today!

bikerjoe
04-06-2008, 06:57 AM
I'm confused: I know for certain that crew cabs have been available since original T1, so why would you think they weren't available in 2004?

When I bought my '04 2500 140" wb cab and chassis, the crew cab was not offered TO ME. The dealer told me they were not being sold in America. Did they lie?!

bikerjoe
04-06-2008, 07:07 AM
Where in the heck:thinking: does that ultimate..Twin Cab chassis unit Sprinter of Bikerjoes photo keep disappearing into !
There stay put.
Richard
6986

The beauty of a vehicle like this is that it is still considered a "passenger vehicle" by the commie b*stards that run the scales. If I could get a vehicle like this, with a 14-foot bed, on a 3500 chassis without a dually rear axle, it would be the ultimate vehicle for me!

A dually rear axle automatically qualifies commercial vehicles to be pulled through the scales. That means that any time those guys have a wild hair "up there", they can start writing very expensive citations, and really **** with you!

I don't have to go through the scales, because my 2500 is basically viewed in the same class as an F-150 pickup. 4-tires with a GVWR of under 7,500 lb. The moment I add the dually axle, the whole ballgame changes.

bikerjoe
04-06-2008, 08:10 AM
Going a bit further ...

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/assorted/ultimatesprinter-enhanced.jpg

Altered Sprinter
04-06-2008, 08:38 AM
Bikerjoe..With interest and respect as to watching your migrating rendition of an evolving extended long wheel base unit :clapping:
Not bad as to in a way you did it blind and almost had it right, No disrespect meant:cheers: you did an excellent job. Your above photo part.. shop and chop... is refereed to as an extended cab chassis ..TWIN CAB . that's the difference, between crew cab Cargo vans versus cab chassis.
Extended cab chassis units these are custom built outside of MB not specifically off the production line done via the body builders corporate.
Pic shows a 3500 but it's a much heavier version as to US base 2500 units.
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Dual wheel all this does is add stability on side sway and helps to distribute loading more evenly however the wide hub matches to the line of the rear wheel rear suspension standard five parabolic springs and a full floating axle diff is different H/D.
but add twin rear wheels on a extended frame and the rules change again
Pic shows Dream Weaver Australian made:clapping: the last set of wheels are free spinning until weight is added, at this point ! Both rear sets have full engagement to the ground.
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this van is over 22 ft long from the rear seats not a small baby by any means
To adjust for bottoming out! add air suspension either as single or dual systems your problem is solved as to deletion of the standard parabolic springs in exchange for Panrod set up and trailing arm same as sway bar setup.
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VB air suspension and Glide-Rite are not in the same class as your local Firestone air suspension systems, although Glide right uses Firestone technology both are now certified compatible to Sprinters, but separate warranties:shifty: problem is both have to be installed by certified licensed installers! there is one in the States only,and this Glide-Rite.
This photo shows semi VB air suspension not the full pro quoter.
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Hydraulics well its been done in both single and dual systems. in both tilt ,and or slide backward then tilt. running full independent electrics, or powered off the drive shaft.
The only problem of modifications are COST? how much can you afford to spend on prototype units. Most folk only want to spend pocket money on their toys when it comes to mechanical and or suspension changes, So Bikejoe spent serious dollars on his unit, yours is truely a one off custom unit, indeed.:clapping:
Richard


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bikerjoe
04-06-2008, 04:43 PM
Thanks for those great photos. Check out that door on the RV!!! I like it!

As to "my" unit, are you referring to my concept photos in this thread as being one-of-a-kind, or are you talking about my actual FrankenSprinter, shown here?

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/IMG_1964copy.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/bedup1.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/bedup.jpg

Nate
04-06-2008, 05:26 PM
I don't have to go through the scales, because my 2500 is basically viewed in the same class as an F-150 pickup. 4-tires with a GVWR of under 7,500 lb. The moment I add the dually axle, the whole ballgame changes.


My 2004 2500 140" says that the GVWR is 8,550 LBS. Was the cab chassis rated differently than the vans?

Altered Sprinter
04-06-2008, 11:03 PM
Bikerjoe YES:clapping: but I wouldn't call it a franken sprinter by any description. it was or is a great convention :thinking: or have you been fiddling with it again:drool:
Richard

bikerjoe
04-06-2008, 11:12 PM
Bikerjoe YES:clapping: but I wouldn't call it a franken sprinter by any description. it was or is a great convention :thinking: or have you been fiddling with it again:drool:
Richard

The super secret project which is blocked out in my photos is on hold until I scrape together about $7,000.00 to complete the prototype. Then it is off to the patent attorneys, and then I'll begin to market the invention. If all goes well, I'll be rich beyond my wildest dreams, so much so that I will consider my new vehicle purchases as "disposables", getting rid of them when the first tank of fuel expires! LOL! :rad:

Hey! A guy can dream, can't he?

Altered Sprinter
04-06-2008, 11:18 PM
My 2004 2500 140" says that the GVWR is 8,550 LBS. Was the cab chassis rated differently than the vans?
In part yes and in part No :hmmm:there that has you thinking
Cab chassis units that is dual has the highest capable GVM , BUT it's based on suspension order an extra cost to the customer US version are lighter not much but they are lighter.
Tins Vans depending on length height and options each has it's own GVM , where everyone gets confused including my self is that dam compliance plate on your van says the same weight for all Vans which is wrong. US compliance plate GVWR states maximum possiable , that does not mean you have this... based on weight, length, model single wheel to dual and suspension options it's confusing to say the least.
NCV3 The weight variations on offer now are mind boggling standard 4.4 GVM up to 4.9 GVM with the super wide wheel Susi-Suzi. this option is Australian by design now world-wide to slide in a full pallet from the rear cargo doors 4ftx3.9 inches Metric hence the 39 inches versus 36 inches.
Richard

Altered Sprinter
04-06-2008, 11:20 PM
The super secret project which is blocked out in my photos is on hold until I scrape together about $7,000.00 to complete the prototype. Then it is off to the patent attorneys, and then I'll begin to market the invention. If all goes well, I'll be rich beyond my wildest dreams, so much so that I will consider my new vehicle purchases as "disposables", getting rid of them when the first tank of fuel expires! LOL! :rad:

Hey! A guy can dream, can't he? Well someone has to keep the American Dream ALIVE:rad:
Richard

mobileoilchange
04-07-2008, 12:37 AM
biker i noticed that you cut the frame (unibody) of the sprinter and used tubing. i also noticed the length that you increaded it by. my 6questions are...
1)is this going to be a flat bed to haul bikes?
2) why such a long over hang past the rear axle?
3) if its a dump box (dump truck) why not just get something like a heavier duty truck if its going to be used as a dump tuck?
4) i assume you inserted the tube into the unibody frame rail of the sprinter and plug welded it?
5) thats alot of added weight for the 2500 ya got there. i assume your not done yet. it looks like 2x6 tube and i noticed the stake pockets. what gauge are you using .125? .187? .250? steel is .2833 per square inch pound. it looks like .187 - .250 on the thickness of the white rails that are on top of the frame rails.
6) why not use a 3500 dually chassis?

looks good though.
i do fabrication also, but i was just wondering why a 2500 single wheel and not a 3500 dual rear wheel.

example: the weight of 1 piece of tube as follows is
.2833 x .125 x 2" x 6" x 120" = 67.992 or 68 pounds per 1 piece

PS: how do you like your miller welder? i just bought a new millermatic 350p mig welder and i have a miller shopmate 300dx tig.

Altered Sprinter
04-07-2008, 12:59 AM
Let bikerjoe cross link with previous threads as to how he did the cut and shut. it was done accurately and profoundly with professional thought.MB would have certified it.
My personal thought was the only real fault he has encounted was the rear spring set up! as he in fairness..only had the 2500 to work with as opposed to a 3500 where less issues would have resulted from bottoming out, He did have a custom made spring made:thinking: not sure what! but local steel not parabolic.
Go for it bikerjoe.
Richard

bikerjoe
04-07-2008, 07:13 AM
I don't know how to "cross-link" so I'll just give my Reader's digest answers here.

biker i noticed that you cut the frame (unibody) of the sprinter and used tubing. i also noticed the length that you increased it by. my 6 questions are...

1)is this going to be a flat bed to haul bikes?

Yes, motorcycles, trikes, sidecar-equipped bikes, riding mowers, "Mules" and so forth. no cars though.

2) why such a long over hang past the rear axle?

I don't haul cars, so the greatest majority of the time, my Sprinter is only hauling one or two motorcycles, mounted forward of the rear axle. I decided to keep the wheelbase short so I could retain the maneuverability while gaining a longer bed (14 feet total). It also allows me to park in places where I can back the overhang over an island or a lawn, allowing my truck to fit into ordinary parking spaces around the edges of parking lots.

3) if its a dump box (dump truck) why not just get something like a heavier duty truck if its going to be used as a dump tuck?

It isn't specifically created to be a dump truck. The rear of the truck has a folding hydraulically-operated ramp ... searching for photos ... Here they are. The bed lifts up high ...

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/IMG_2119public.jpg

... so that when I load a "chopper" with a 10-foot fork or some other extended length, ultra-low bike, the bikes frame won't drag over the fulcrum at the ramp hinge. I can raise the forward section of the ramp to bed level, or raise the bed (and bike's front wheel) to match the angle of the ramp, or both! The winch pulls the bikes up onto the truck but GRAVITY provides the rearward unload force. With the tilt bed, I can actually roll bikes off of my truck even when the nose is pointed down a 10 degree slope. I can raise the bed so that it allows the bike to roll off backward, even when the front of the truck is much lower than the rear. The stake pockets were an afterthought, just in case i ever decide to build stake walls for hauling weeds, furniture, etc.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/rampup.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/rampcycle1.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/rampcycle3.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/rampcycle4.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/rampcycle5.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/rampdown1.jpg

4) i assume you inserted the tube into the unibody frame rail of the sprinter and plug welded it?

Not welded, but bolted through the frame. The tubes are .250 wall thickness, and the 2"x6" tube is a VERY tight fit into the original frame. Three hours of pounding with a sledge hammer and a heavily greased tube resulted in the tube being inserted the entire length of the original frame (4-foot overlap). The tube frame stops at the rear edge of the cab, where the cab floor pan splits the original frame. I fastened a small spy camera to the end of a length of PVC tubing and ran it up through the frame to see if there were any surprises inside. Thank GOD I did! I was originally going to cut the frame right behind the cab, and insert the new tubing at that point, but the camera revealed the floor pan welded into the original frame halves, which would have made it impossible to insert the tubing at that point! After careful measurements, and a bit of guessing about whether the tubing would make it past the internal shims welded at stress points (thereby making the internal dimensions about .120" shorter in length and width at those points) I decided to cut just forward of the original front spring support internal hardware. This gave me fully four feet of unobstructed insertion into the original frame. Oh baby!

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/IMG_1746-anon.jpg

5) thats a lot of added weight for the 2500 ya got there. i assume your not done yet. it looks like 2x6 tube and i noticed the stake pockets. what gauge are you using .125? .187? .250? steel is .2833 per square inch pound. it looks like .187 - .250 on the thickness of the white rails that are on top of the frame rails.

Yes, I always tend to over-build things. It is all .250 tubing.

6) why not use a 3500 dually chassis?

Gosh, the original thought was to have a small, lightweight truck with a simple flatbed for hauling 1 - 2 bikes. The project just sort of morphed into a 14-foot inflatable tilt bed with a 9-1/2 foot folding rear ramp. Yes ... inflatable! The rectangular tubing used to make the bed frame is all welded shut, and it serves as my air tank! it hold 3.25 cubic feet of air at 200 PSI, or approximately 50% larger capacity than your average home garage air compressor tank. I bought the 2500 because that was all I could afford at the time, but ALSO because the 3500 has dually rear wheels, and that means I'd have to stop at all of the scales. Since i don't really haul anything excessively heavy, I can get by with the four tires on the 2500 wheels just fine.

A side note: As you can see, ALL of the welding on the bed was on the top of the tubes, so the bed "taco-ed" on me and was nearly two inches lower in the center than on the sides, or front to rear, like a big bowl! I welded anchors around the sides and stretched 1/8" cables across each beam side-to-side and front-to-rear with a single spring on each cable to allow for stretching. By using an acetylene "rosebud" heating tip, I physically heated up each of the lower intersections of the tubing and allowed the bed to cool down thus shrinking the metal on the bottom surfaces, until all of the cables were laying flat across the top.

PS: how do you like your miller welder? i just bought a new millermatic 350p mig welder and i have a miller shopmate 300dx tig.

It is the best tool I've ever purchased! it has about six of these types of projects on it, from motorcycle trailers to spiral staircases to whatever, but only ONE FrankenSprinter ... so far!

bikerjoe
04-07-2008, 07:41 AM
I not only had fun building the truck body, I also built the building I built the truck IN! I was going to rent a commercial facility, but they all wanted WAY too much money, and wanted a 2-year lease. I bought a bunch of wafer board and 2x4s, and built a 24' x 32' x 12'wall shed in my driveway instead. Gravity held it down. I built it to be modular, so it could be disassembled into 4' x 12' panels and sold after the project was done. After all, I didn't have any building permits or anything "official." I built the shed for $1,800.00, including the lights and breaker box, outlets and so forth, and sold it for $1,000.00 six months later. $800.00 for six month's use of an 800 sq. ft. building right outside my front door ... I thought that was a real bargain! My neighbors said it looked like a church from "Children Of The Corn." My neighbor who lives in a 560 sq. ft. 1 Bdrm. house said, "I'm jealous! Your shed is bigger than my house!"

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/shed-inside-2.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/shed-inside-1.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/IMG_1733copy.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/IMG_1730copy.jpg

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/IMG_1734copy.jpg

Here is a bit more detail on the bed construction. this wafer fiberglass decking material was purchased as surplus at $1.00 per pound (4 lb./sq. ft.) in big 5'x10' sheets, and cut up with a cordless circular saw to create the "tiles" that would fill in the gaps. The bed's 2x4 rectangular tubing is .120 wall thickness. The cross tubes that the E-track is welded onto are .060, and the 1"x1"x.125" angle iron supports the tiles.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/IMG_2137copy.jpg

The ultimate goal is to cover the wafer decking with diamond plate... but that hasn't been done yet.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/IMG_2250copy.jpg

Here is the bed raised with a bike tied down to the E-track. Notice that the winch is on a sliding square tube, so it can be positioned for a straight pull at any point across the bed.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l4/20Dman/truck%20bed%20project/bikeup1-C.jpg

mobileoilchange
04-07-2008, 01:46 PM
i cant believe you were able to build a "garage" in your driveway like that without problems from the township. when i built my shop 60x80 behind my house. the township went nuts. i have 12 acres that i own which is just flat open land. they were mad because the shop is more square feet then my house. once i got past the red tape and told them im in a agriculturel area i finally got the permit. once i built my shop, they told me that if i had any farm animals i didnt need a permit and i could go as big as i wanted, and as high as 35 foot. so when i added on i bought some chickens, and 2 goats. sooooooooo i added on a 30x30 addition to the side of my 60x80 building for my machine shop. i didnt need a permit for the addition, i didnt need a permit for my driveway, i didnt need a permit for the coral (split rail fencing for the goats).
but once i added wrought iron power gates to the front of my driveway they were over in a flash and said i needed a permit. talk about freaking dumb.

truck looks good biker!

bikerjoe
04-07-2008, 03:46 PM
i cant believe you were able to build a "garage" in your driveway like that without problems from the township.

The temporary appearance of the building, along with the fact that it had NO windows and a translucent plastic "roof" DID raise the curiosity of the local law enforcement. The Sheriff's helicopter circled my shed on two separate occasions, presumably taking photos. Then one day, I had the big double doors open, and I was welding on the truck inside. The ASTREA helicopter came hovering down over the other end of the driveway and directly faced the shed. I raised my welding hood and waved to the officer(s). They flew away and I never heard anything more about it. I guess they thought I might be growing pot inside of it or something ... a meth lab ... making fake jeans ... who knows what they thought! Once they saw the machines inside, and the truck in a stage of construction, I guess that realized that I was not breaking (m)any laws.

After I put the truck back on the road in a functional, but not yet complete condition, and the shed was sold, a county van came rolling up the hill to my driveway, presumably to investigate the "illegal" structure. The county hack asked me about a large wooden building reported to be in this area. I told him, "Gosh, I haven't seen anything like that, but if I do I'll be sure to call you." The snail's pace at which government agencies operate can, at times, be a real blessing!

BaywoodBill
04-07-2008, 08:27 PM
"Gosh, I haven't seen anything like that, but if I do I'll be sure to call you."


:clapping::smirk:

Nate
04-08-2008, 12:05 AM
Tins Vans depending on length height and options each has it's own GVM , where everyone gets confused including my self is that dam compliance plate on your van says the same weight for all Vans which is wrong. US compliance plate GVWR states maximum possiable , that does not mean you have this... based on weight, length, model single wheel to dual and suspension options it's confusing to say the least.

Richard

I think I understand Richard. So just because my van says 8,550 Lbs doesn't mean it can actually weigh that.

Mine is the single rear spring on each side for what its worth.

Biker Joe, thats looks really good. I can't wait to see what is blocked out of the pictures.

Altered Sprinter
11-02-2008, 11:24 AM
Been a while has bikerjoe finished the extended frankinstine yet:drool:
Richard