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gary 32
10-07-2010, 02:06 PM
I have standard h7 halogens in my 07.
All highly intelligent forum members, please report in with your results for headlight upgrades.
Thanks. :bow:

slsbl77
10-07-2010, 09:56 PM
I have standard h7 halogens in my 07.
All highly intelligent forum members, please report in with your results for headlight upgrades.
Thanks. :bow:

My 2007 I ordered with the "up" headlights, the Bi-Xenon, the difference between them and Halogen is amazing. My wifes MB has Halogen, no question about which is better....needless to say the new truck has the Bi-Xenon.

Bob

qualityair
10-08-2010, 09:03 AM
http://store.candlepower.com/osraulhiouh7.html


What not to do.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

Chandlerazman
10-08-2010, 02:55 PM
Can the 65watt lamp be used legally? I am not concerned with HID but would rather have brighter focused lighting. With the economy the way it is, I have been finding that the street lights are mostly turned off in my neck of the woods.

gary 32
10-08-2010, 04:57 PM
fyi, I was looking for higher wattage halogen h7 bulbs and ran across this yesterday on a subaru forum::popcorn:

Ok, so for some reason I was motivated to buy these.... Daniel Stern sells them on his website. I thought why go with this mysterious "+50" silverstar when I can just get higher power, and yes the lumen rating is higher that the +50 osram silverstars (1570 right?)

You'll notice that they are P26d's, just 65W, instead of 55W, they should be brighter than people say the osram silverstars are, and much brighter than stock eh? You'll also see that instead of "+50" there's a "Hyper" tag on it, and of course disclaimers for off-road use only. FYI 80W and 100W are available in the same bulb.

First I installed one, lit up my garage door.. Can't tell the difference. Oh well the sun just barely set.

Try again in completely darkness.. uuhhhm.. what?
I would have taken a picture half/half but I couldn't tell the difference in person at all!

Put both in went for a ride, took some pics.. Not very impressed at all. I'll see how it looks tomorrow if it's dry out, but if I can't tell 10ft into my white garage door, what's the point?

Conclusion: It's not noticably brighter AND if I get checked out they will not be legal? I really could have used those ~$43 for a better purpose. Thumbs down. On the bright side, I don't think it will bother people or i will get pulled over.

gary 32
10-08-2010, 06:25 PM
I sent Chris an email early today asking him for pricing on an all mb retrofit, he's not sure if this is possible but I will post the results.

Here's another option::popcorn:

Thank you for your email.

Our 55W HID KIT is the brightest HID KIT we have. It is 70% brighter than 35W HID KIT.
According to our record, our H7 bulb type will fit for your 2007 Dodge Sprinter low beam and high beam. If you want both low beam and high beam are HID Lights on your vehicle, you will need to order two set of 55W H7 HID KIT (4 X 55W H7 HID Bulbs and 4 X 55W HID Ballasts).

If you accept the price $119.98 ($123.98 - $4 discount), please provide your PayPal email address. We?ll send the invoice to your PayPal account.

Once we receive your payment, we?ll ship the package to you within 24 hours and notify you the tracking number by email. It only takes 2-3 business days to reach to your front door.

Please email us for any question, we would be more than happy to help you.

Tom
Sales Dept.


- hightechaccessory

gary 32
10-12-2010, 11:05 PM
I found a whole world of automotive lighting products I never knew existed.
With the right parts and some thoughtful fabrication, you can mount projectors not bulbs, in a standard halogen fixture, that replicate or even improve the Mercedes hid option.
The plug and play hid kits offer poorly directed light, brighter halogen is not the answer but I will post my results.
Nothing for sprinter here but some real interesting ideas. http://www.carid.com/
I like the blacked out jpn fixtures with high and low projectors with my graphite gray metallic color. (possibly angel eyes and leds like the new Audis)...

gary 32
10-13-2010, 10:01 PM
this looks like my choice...

Chandlerazman
10-14-2010, 12:05 AM
Do you need to cut open the stock headlights to get the projectors in?
I do agree that there is no such thing as an HID retrofit kit without the projectors.
Let us know how you make out. I would be very interested in this :thumbup:

gary 32
10-15-2010, 07:16 PM
Do you need to cut open the stock headlights to get the projectors in?
I do agree that there is no such thing as an HID retrofit kit without the projectors.
Let us know how you make out. I would be very interested in this :thumbup:

Simon,
I took the dive into unknown waters, I could not find anyone who had done an hid Sprinter conversion.
Yes, my initial steps will include, heat and release the butyl tape that holds the clear lens to the light body and trim the body to fit the projector.
I will take photos along the way and post them with my results.

Here's what I ordered yesterday:

Thank you for your order from The Retrofit Source. We greatly appreciate your business!

Parts List:
1x Pair: FX-R Projectors
1x Pair: Morimoto Digital 50w D2S Ballasts
1x Pair: Value Ocular Shrouds
1x Pair: Morimoto 5000k 50w D2S Bulbs
1x Pc: H7 relay wire harness w/ high beam taps

Order Total: $310.00 (shipped)

If there are any questions, concerns now or when your parts arrive, please don't hesitate to contact us. Please contact us by email or phone at 614-653-3451

Chandlerazman
10-15-2010, 08:03 PM
Looking forward to your accomplishment :thumbup:

Garball
10-19-2010, 02:27 AM
PLEASE post pictures !!! Can't wait to see what you've done. I'll take the plunge if it works out.

Good luck.
Gary

SPRINTERUK
10-20-2010, 11:02 AM
hi
just had a service info sheet about h7 bulbs
mercedes now offer a uprated bulb kit
they have up to 80% more light and provide 30% more road light than the old h7 bulbs
as this is brand new i have no pricing details yet but will post when i get them

regards
chris

gary 32
10-26-2010, 04:07 PM
I got the kit, did a little planning run.
I removed the grill, lower trim valance and passenger headlight.
I am going to mount the projector in the large bucket on the left, photo2, ballast on the inner fender wall directly behind the headlight photo1.
The factory headlight wires run first to drivers side, this is where I will pick signal for both low and high beams using the supplied hid harness and taps.
Then back along the fire wall to passenger, using an extension cord total about 10' to connect the ballasts with on/off, hi/lo signal from the drivers headlight.
The male/female extension cord is required to allow for easy service, in a Sprinter everything removes from the front to allow mechanical access. I do not want the lead connecting the ballasts to have to be removed every time mechanical access is needed. I now have to order deeper trims because I want a factory look, an extension cord to connect the ballasts and the hi beam taps were missing before starting my conversion.

mean_in_green
10-26-2010, 04:26 PM
Interesting supplier link and project - looking good Gary.

Trax450
11-10-2010, 12:55 AM
Any new stuff to share ?

With your conversion ... :)

gary 32
11-10-2010, 01:41 PM
Our headlight assemblies are perma-bonded together, cut the clear plastic lens with a fein tool (they use a dremel), where it meets the abs. Bonding back together with silicone is the industry method.
Make a stand and illuminate the original lamp, mark the factory light cut off points with tape so you can align the projector light cut offs to match.
Remove the lamp holder and shield, bore reflector with an 1 1/2" hole saw and shape to fit with a die grinder, use the fein tool for the top and bottom straight cuts, leave enough access for lamp changes.
I cut back the reflector so there was structure to bond to, then flushed the projector back, I want the twist on connector to be inside the sealed rear cover, next I will epoxy the projector to the reflector.

georgetg
11-10-2010, 04:05 PM
Our headlight assemblies are perma-bonded together, cut the clear plastic lens with a fein tool (they use a dremel), where it meets the abs. Bonding back together with silicone is the industry method.
Make a stand and illuminate the original lamp, mark the factory light cut off points with tape so you can align the projector light cut offs to match.
Remove the lamp holder and shield, bore reflector with an 1 1/2" hole saw and shape to fit with a die grinder, use the fein tool for the top and bottom straight cuts, leave enough access for lamp changes.
I cut back the reflector so there was structure to bond to, then flushed the projector back, I want the twist on connector to be inside the sealed rear cover, next I will epoxy the projector to the reflector.

Gary,

Great project and a sweet shop...not just Fein, pneumatic Fein ;-) You probably have the pneumatic Festool sanders too!

Cheers
George

gary 32
11-11-2010, 05:12 PM
More progress shots.
Thanks George.

piper1
11-11-2010, 07:10 PM
Don't know if they will be brighter but they look damn cool!:drool::thumbup:

mean_in_green
11-12-2010, 07:46 AM
If the supplier's claims prove correct it could be possible that this mod proves to have superior performance than the factory option. The custom nature of the works must also be worth a few lumens too...

I find the factory dipped beam HIDs ok, but have driven cars with brighter equivalents.

The factory main beam HIDs are excellent however - I melted two more furrows in the tarmac home just last night.

gary 32
11-16-2010, 05:18 PM
Silicone the lens back on.
Ballast mounts to an existing stud and ground, small notch in removable cover seals hid cable into fixture.
The finished product is so bright, our 2007 GL320cdi factory hid system pales. 50w lamps, ballasts and the optically clear lens create some of the brightest lighting I have ever used. Night images to follow.

Llarry
11-16-2010, 05:29 PM
Great project!

Does California do vehicle inspections? No matter how much better your lights will be, they won't be DOT-approved or legal, will they? It would be heart-breaking to do all this excellent work and then get a fix-it ticket. :rolleyes:

georgetg
11-16-2010, 05:46 PM
Gary you are rocking that front end! :rad:

HID lights blackout grille, I love it!

Cheers
George

mean_in_green
11-16-2010, 06:03 PM
The finished product is so bright, our 2007 GL320cdi factory hid system pales.

Looks good. Your units are 50w versus the 35w factory items. A 15w difference on an HID bulb is more of an increase than it seems. I don't know for certain but would think it likely that your GL also has 35w lamps?

MB have become especially clever with HID bulb wattages on the latest cars - the newest ones actually increase the bulb wattage once travelling at motorway speeds. The increase is 8w on the C Class for example.

gary 32
11-16-2010, 06:13 PM
Great project!

Does California do vehicle inspections? No matter how much better your lights will be, they won't be DOT-approved or legal, will they? It would be heart-breaking to do all this excellent work and then get a fix-it ticket. :rolleyes:

Good question, the projectors are from an Infinity FX and are dot approved.
Sprinter Hella factory x/y adjustments precisely control the projector beams, no miss directed light to blind other drivers just a lot more accurate lighting and no fix it tickets...

Simon our GL hid system is wonderful, 35 watts and perfect for the vehicle.

Thanks George.

gary 32
11-17-2010, 02:23 PM
Larry, thanks for your comments.
Last night I had a friend (motorcycle radar cop) inspect. Now this gentleman knows exactly what to look for and where, he serves up speeding tickets with a generous side of fix it items.
First, he had no issues when I went by, his comment was nice bright well controlled light. "Most lighting tickets are for miss directed light and hazardous installation that may result in injury."
Second he could not point out any alterations that I had made to my lighting system. He did not see the ballasts (under the fixture), the cable entering the fixture bottom or any signs of aftermarket light alteration, "legal".

Mercedes is very clever MIG,
However I do not want the complexity of a self leveling system, cornering system, light sensing and adjusting system etc..
My goal is rock solid, simple, cost effective lighting and I will report any failures or shortcomings but the suppliers performance claims are legit despite "the custom nature of the works".

My mistakes and redo's:
1. Very first step, trying to open the drivers side fixture with heat and almost having a fixture meltdown, took a few hours to fix this mess... just cut the fixture open!
2. Using too little silicone and getting to clean-up and reglue this same driver's side fixture.
3. Cutting an extra notch in the bottom of my passenger side removable cover.
4. I am on my third try for the proper wiring harness, our Sprinter's can buss systems require 2 separate harnesses with signal taps and step up capacitors, cosmetically I switched to e55r shrouds.

In the end none of these mistakes altered the quality of the finished product, I was eventually able to laugh at myself for making the job harder.

If you plan everything really well get all the tools, adhesives etc. this could be completed in one long day with the lenses drying overnight then being installed the following morning.
The total costs diy is around 350.00, could not have done this without Matt and Nate @ the retrofit source.

gary 32
11-30-2010, 01:25 PM
The most striking changes are the color @ cut off and the sheer visibility in any condition, really enjoyable to use.
The capacitor in the supplied harness starts my lights as quick as factory with no flicker.

1. low beams, lit parking lot sun starting to rise
2. hi beams, 5k bi-xenon with factory halogen same conditions
3. couple street lights behind, downhill right curve ahead
4. street lights behind, Christmas lights upper left everything else is reflected

mean_in_green
11-30-2010, 04:32 PM
I'm pleased I went for them on mine - they're a worthwhile option. Your photos show what look to be good results.

Not to take anything anyway from your fine effort but it's probably worth mentioning that conversions of this type are not road legal in Europe because of the lack of a levelling capability. I know you said you didn't want to get involved in that - fair enough.

Forum info: the factory levelling system has some neat functionality to it - the beams' movement in the vertical plane has an electronically controlled damping action so that driving over bumps only results in half an oscillation (the lower half before returning to "level") thereby not blinding oncoming traffic.

gary 32
12-01-2010, 02:31 PM
Both Larry and Simon are technically right.

But there are many craftsmen in our group who want unbridled performance the factory option can not serve and this thread is for them.

In my previous post, un-named radar cop, I met a couple years ago when conducting an unsafe pass (the angle of my power slide had me in 2 lanes, warning only) confidently informed me that my conversion if tested in the local CA state referee facility would be deemed legal. There is no testing in Europe or the US for leveling systems, only for light control.

If you read this quote from Mr. Stern, (thanks to qualityair), I documented each area of concern with photos so other forum members can attack this conversion with some confidence or know what to look for if they hire a pro.

copied from the Daniel Stern website:

The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp—that is lens, reflector, bulb...the whole system—with optics designed for HID usage. In the aftermarket, it is possible to get clever with the growing number of available products, such as Hella's modular projectors available in HID or halogen, and fabricate your own brackets and bezels.

Installing HID optics (such as projectors designed to accept an HID bulb) in halogen headlamp housings can be done, but it is a great deal more complicated and difficult to do correctly than is commonly understood. Typically the process involves baking the headlight assembly to loosen the adhesive, removing the lens, cutting the reflector, mounting the HID projector, and using silicone to reseal the lens. Sounds simple? Sure, but there are significant and substantial issues and challenges. The projector has to be mounted very precisely with respect to its centre of gravity; if not, it will shake out of alignment (and eventually off its mounts). Many sealants, adhesives, and paints produce gases that attack and fog lamp optics. The low beam projector has to be aimed correctly relative to the high beam or else the finished headlamp will be aimable so the lows or the highs are pointed in the correct direction, but not both. Once the headlamp has been opened, it is very challenging to get a good and durable seal against moisture and dirt ingress. None of these challenges is insurmountable, and there are outfits specialising in this kind of optical transplant. Shop very carefully if you are in the market, pay careful attention to the guarantee offered on the work, and be aware that even if the transplanted optics come from a legal headlamp, the end result—the modified headlamp—is no longer compliant with the applicable regulations.

gary 32
12-10-2010, 02:21 PM
My 16 year old son's favorite youtube music, I thought more of you gentlemen and ladies should enjoy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-hPNrKdZI

gary 32
08-31-2011, 01:52 PM
Thought I would give an update....

The light color intensity and clarity really are incredible. I have driven no other vehicle with better lighting.

Matt @ The Retrofitsource continues to provide some high quality parts, great direction and even warranty support. (I am not compensated.)

For some strange reason I had a capacitor and ballast go out called Matt, had new parts within 2 days no charge, it took about 10 minutes to replace. I would not change a thing about my install.

Llarry
08-31-2011, 05:04 PM
High-quality non-factory HID installations are rare -- I think you did this one right, Gary!
:thumbup:

In the purely technical sense, it is probably not legal, but given your results, I agree with the cop that you don't need to worry about it.

Dogwalker
08-31-2011, 06:52 PM
Having worked traffic (thank God not anymore!:bash:), I can say that unless you're driving down the street blasting rap music with someone hanging out the window, or excessively speeding, or just doing something really stupid, you won't get a second look by any LEO. Generally stops for vehicle violations like lighting, license plate mounting, vehicle height, etc. are just used as "probable cause" for a stop when something more serious is suspected.

I am going to do the upgrade to my Sprinter too. The desert roads are pretty dark once you get a little out of town.

Paul

nukepharm87
11-18-2011, 04:21 PM
Re: Headlight Replacement HELP!
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2007 NCV3 Sprinter 2500 (V-6 Turbo Diesel) Roadtrek Conversion

I am not adept enough to try what went on above. Beyond my capabilities.
So I am looking at straight up replacement with better bulbs

I am thinking of replacing my stock sprinter headlights with Vision X Premium Halogen bulbs.
They are available in two different styles.


1) VX-L9007 Hi/Lo Beam 55/65 Watt Super White

OR

2) VX-H9007 Hi/Lo Beam 80/100 Watt Super White.

My question is this, Which one?

The info guy at Vision X said that the extra wattage should not be a problem with model H. the 80/100 watt bulbs.

I was thinking of adding on a set of Driving lights, but the cost seems well over several hundred $$$'s.

Can I use either of these to "Brighten Up My Day" (night), no pun intended.

Two links below will take you to the specifics on each bulb.

Thanks for all/any help in advance.

nukepharm87


http://www.visionxonly.com/m7/VX-L90...-bulb-set.html

http://www.visionxonly.com/m7/VX-H90...-bulb-set.html
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Last edited by nukepharm87; Today at 09:55 AM.

gary 32
11-18-2011, 07:33 PM
Sorry, but neither.
With either lamp you are still reflecting light vs projecting light that is accurately concentrated then spread. I know you can buy new hid projector headlights @ Europarts or hire someone to do the retrofit for you. You could call the retrofitsource 480-745-3990 and ask for a retrofitter near you.
You might want to read post 5 in this thread before you try those lamps.

Sprinter SS
11-19-2011, 02:39 AM
So is there a difference in headlight units from 07 to 12 in the USA? Your parking light at the top of the lens looks different (or maybe I recall different). So when you turn on just the parking lights does the top bulb in the diffused section light or does the little (H3 maybe or H1) light on the outboard side?

I liked the T1N s traditional European small parking light "glow", looked cool. Also anyone's newer us sprinter come with the side marker headlight switch? My 03 had the euro switch, I could put either side parking lamp in park mode for side street parking.

Now to set up the rear factory fogs....

gary 32
07-13-2012, 05:58 PM
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Hi Gary,

I'm currently doing a bi-xenon retrofit on my headlights (2011 mercedes sprinter).

I'm having problems opening up the headlights (permabond I guess!).

Can you enlighten me on the procedure you did and how you went about re-sealing the headlights?

Thanks a lot!

mercedessprinter
07-13-2012, 06:22 PM
Is it possible to get higher quality pictures of the retrofit,

I Need to know where exactly to cut the headlight and also how to put it back together.

the 2011 headlight are made in a way where the clear lens is inserted in the black plastic.

do you cut the back of the headlight or do you cut exactly where the black plastic goes over the clear lens.

Finally, the sealing part is important, I'm not a mechanic nor do I do these projects often, so clear instructions would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, I'll return the Mini DS2 for a partial refund.

Thanks in advance for the help guys!

gary 32
07-13-2012, 06:39 PM
Is it possible to get higher quality pictures of the retrofit,

I Need to know where exactly to cut the headlight and also how to put it back together.
*post 14, image 4 as close to the black as possible, cut the clear lens

the 2011 headlight are made in a way where the clear lens is inserted in the black plastic.
*same as a 2007

do you cut the back of the headlight or do you cut exactly where the black plastic goes over the clear lens.

Finally, the sealing part is important, I'm not a mechanic nor do I do these projects often, so clear instructions would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, I'll return the Mini DS2 for a partial refund.
*use clear silicone skip the clamps
Thanks in advance for the help guys!

If my * answers don't help hire a professional this retro fit needs a craftsman to make it work.
All my steps and information are in this thread, I do not want to deter you from trying this I want you to succeed but you send a little unsure about doing this yourself.

72chevy4x4
10-27-2012, 04:27 AM
Gary, in the picture showing your modified light on the second page-is one of the lights (projector?) the main hi/low and and what is the second light?

Did you go w/ the 4300K as indicated on the pdf ordersheet you were kind enough to inlcude or with the 5000K mentioned in a later picture?

I am ready to make the plunge

gary 32
10-27-2012, 12:41 PM
Gary, in the picture showing your modified light on the second page-is one of the lights (projector?) the main hi/low and and what is the second light? (the projector has a moving curtain or light block for high beams, I also kept the factory hi beam halogen lamp, both are activated when you hit the hi beam switch)

Did you go w/ the 4300K as indicated on the pdf ordersheet you were kind enough to include or with the 5000K mentioned in a later picture? (I am using 5k lamps)

I am ready to make the plunge

This is my parts list, what I installed and how much I paid:
Thank you for your order from The Retrofit Source. We greatly appreciate your business!

Parts List:
1x Pair: FX-R Projectors
1x Pair: Morimoto Digital 50w D2S Ballasts
1x Pair: Value Ocular Shrouds
1x Pair: Morimoto 5000k 50w D2S Bulbs
1x Pc: H7 relay wire harness w/ high beam taps

Order Total: $310.00 (shipped)

Please post your results.