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mackconsult
09-02-2010, 06:22 PM
We are back and just put together a blog post on our adventure. Sorry it takes so long to load, I am working on getting a new server in my house.

http://www.mackconsult.com/?p=1168

autostaretx
09-02-2010, 08:55 PM
15 mpg? That seems very low (even with a trailer)

nice trip
--dick

mackconsult
09-02-2010, 09:11 PM
For one 90% of the driving that was done was on WVO. Generally you get a little worse fuel economy with alternative fuels.

2ndly we drove 860 miles to Yellowstone with the following packed between the boat and the van:

Two very large packed coolers + boxes of food for a week in Yellowstone
Camping gear
Bags for mom and the kids, not to mention all the bags of toys and extra stuff that you need for kids
Enough wood for a week in Yellowstone - I like my campfires :cheers:
60 gallons of extra WVO in totes
Crap for fishing, playing movies, charging batteries, etc ....


I wouldn't say we were "totally" full, but the van and boat were loaded up pretty good. Half the reason the ride was good on the way there :thumbup:

3rdly we went from 200 feet of elevation to 8900 feet of elevation. Actually I think 15 MPG is pretty damn good considering. I mean every time we had to go up a hill cruise control had the accelerator pegged to the floor and the van maintained 55 MPH.

15 mpg? That seems very low (even with a trailer)

nice trip
--dick

autostaretx
09-03-2010, 12:22 AM
60 gallons of extra WVO in totes...i was counting the visible totes... (60 * 7 lb/gal = 420 lb)
3rdly we went from 200 feet of elevation to 8900 feet of elevation. Actually I think 15 MPG is pretty damn good considering. I mean every time we had to go up a hill cruise control had the accelerator pegged to the floor and the van maintained 55 MPH.
When we did a 5300 mile trip from Seattle to (and around) the Grand Canyon this year, i followed the group's advice and kicked the transmission down when the LOD exceeded 70% (if RPM would not exceed 3100 rpm by doing so). The ScanGauge showed the mileage improvement.
We'd run up and down from 5000 feet to over 9000 feet at various speeds (20mph to 75). Some washboard roads in 2nd gear.
Worst tank mileage was 19.76mpg, best was over 26.4. Trip average was 23.55
But we were not carrying a trailer, and were nowhere near as loaded.

have fun
--dick

GEARS
09-03-2010, 01:20 AM
Ray,

15mpg isn't bad.

I just got back from a fully loaded horse camping trip and I averaged 15mpg. This was driving about 65-70mph.

I had about 5000lbs worth of gear along for the ride and the trailer is about 2 feet taller than the roof on the Sprinter. That really puts the hurt on my fuel economy. With the short trailer it would shag ass down the road at 70mph and get 20mpg.

:cheers:

mackconsult
09-03-2010, 04:10 AM
Your also shorter than me :rolleyes:

Also WVO weighs less than water :hmmm:

...i was counting the visible totes... (60 * 7 lb/gal = 420 lb)

When we did a 5300 mile trip from Seattle to (and around) the Grand Canyon this year, i followed the group's advice and kicked the transmission down when the LOD exceeded 70% (if RPM would not exceed 3100 rpm by doing so). The ScanGauge showed the mileage improvement.
We'd run up and down from 5000 feet to over 9000 feet at various speeds (20mph to 75). Some washboard roads in 2nd gear.
Worst tank mileage was 19.76mpg, best was over 26.4. Trip average was 23.55
But we were not carrying a trailer, and were nowhere near as loaded.

have fun
--dick:hmmm:

autostaretx
09-03-2010, 04:43 PM
Your also shorter than me You're a sailor... note that longer hull (waterline) lengths go faster for the same energy input.
(or something like that... it's been 45 years since i did boat hull efficiency analysis calculations)

Also WVO weighs less than water Correct... water is 8 lb/gallon, gasoline is 6 lb/gal. I took a compromise position of "7" for WVO.
(if i'd've used gasoline's number, it would only have been a 360 pound "payload")

have fun
--dick

mackconsult
09-03-2010, 04:55 PM
Talking about your bus. It is a known fact that the short wheel base gets better mileage than all the other sprinter vans.

FYI .... a long hull length does not go faster for the same energy input than shorter one. A longer water line has more drag than a shorter one. A longer water line has more speed capability from the size of the wave that the hull gets trapped in before transitioning into a planing body. So what this means is that yes a longer water line can go faster than a shorter one, as long as more power is put into the solution.

You're a sailor... note that longer hull (waterline) lengths go faster for the same energy input.
(or something like that... it's been 45 years since i did boat hull efficiency analysis calculations)

--dick

gottahavabenz
09-08-2010, 11:55 AM
Hey Mack

Love the pics and the play by play of your trip! My wife and I are considering converting my 04 low roof from a work van to a low budget conversion style. I was curious was the WVO conversion worth it in your mind and do you know any links I can do some research on it?

Thanks

Tom

nebep
09-08-2010, 03:04 PM
Nice pics Mack!!!

We landed at Yellowstone with no lodging arranged. It was a bit of a challenge, but, we were able to situate ourselves fairly well. The first night was just a "boondock" on the side of US89....

We did spend a couple of nights at Canyon - that is a GREAT place to camp in Yellowstone!! Bridge Bay is good too if you can get in the back. We did wake up one morning to a Bison walking through camp...That was interesting....

A good friend who's a Biology teacher that teaches specifically on Yellowstone and the re-introduction of the wolves met us out there - this made for a THOROUGHLY enjoyable trip!! When you're with a good, knowledgeable friend, it's much nicer than a scripted tour guide who's trying to inflict knowledge when you just don't want to hear it!!

Looks like you headed down Uncle Tom's walk too??!!

http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/PMN9442/958692887_ebwCi-M-1.jpg (http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/12804744_493so#958692887_ebwCi-A-LB)

We saw something REALLY neat near Dunraven Pass early one morning:

http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/PMN9488/958694340_uid76-M-1.jpg (http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/12804744_493so#958694340_uid76-A-LB)

I would hope you guys made it here:

http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/PMN9010/958354971_B2YXu-M-1.jpg (http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/12804744_493so#958354971_B2YXu-A-LB)

This was fun too:

http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/PMN9520/958695201_YubPS-M-1.jpg (http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/12804744_493so#958695201_YubPS-A-LB)

http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/PMN9074/958355545_ZiZof-M-1.jpg (http://autolox.smugmug.com/Travel/2010RoadTrip/12804744_493so#958355545_ZiZof-A-LB)

mackconsult
09-08-2010, 04:03 PM
Well the whole WVO thing is not for the faint at heart. Not to many conversions on the CRD sprinters.

The ECU's are difficult to deal with, but I seem to have got mine figured out. My personal blog has a lot of information on my conversion, and the other reference would be http://www.frybrid.com/.

Do research for at least a year. During that time work on finding a source for oil and putting your filtration together. Year later then think about the vehicle and the kit.

I can be a resource for you when you start to do it.

BTW .... I love the WVO ..... carbon neutral and just drove 2000 miles with no problems at a fuel cost of $20.

Hey Mack

Love the pics and the play by play of your trip! My wife and I are considering converting my 04 low roof from a work van to a low budget conversion style. I was curious was the WVO conversion worth it in your mind and do you know any links I can do some research on it?

Thanks

Tom