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PeterInSa
04-04-2010, 12:14 AM
Yesterday I checked the level of my Power Steering Fluid,(at the same time as engine oil. brake fluid and windscreen washer level) it seem OK. But could someone confirm how far up the dip stick the PS Fluid should go? and I would think this is only measured with the cap screwed down tight?

Also what type: Brand and rating fluid should I use if needed? According to my Sprinter Operating Instructions the Sprinter does not use PS Fluid because none is mentioned anywhere dito Power Steering.

Thanks

Peter

Altered Sprinter
04-04-2010, 12:19 AM
This will keep you amused Peter
Power Steering Fluid - Sprinter-Forum (http://sprinter-source.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3658)
Richard

PeterInSa
04-04-2010, 02:37 AM
Hey Richard, All,
Still not sure about the reading on the dip stick or the Brand of Fluid and density. Am not prepared to just ask for Gunk 1234.

Peter

Altered Sprinter
04-04-2010, 03:15 AM
ATF: MB 236.2 236.3 236.4.236.5.236.6 /...236.7 is an if? like for NCV
Your problem will be finding a MB proper oil.
Look at the certification sheet on oils that have any of the above.
The only thing I'm not sure about is mixing different fluids as a top-up?
Richard.

PeterInSa
04-05-2010, 05:17 AM
Richard, All,
Looking at the dip stick,with the different graduations on it, it appaears that the are levels for reading the fluid when cold or hot(ie expansion of the 1.8lt or so of hot/warm fluid).

Peter

Altered Sprinter
04-05-2010, 05:28 AM
OIL Red dip stick yes must be on a dead level surface engine warm takes about 5 minutes to find the correct level.
Green is for cold we never got that one.
Richard

316cdi
04-08-2010, 11:37 AM
Hi Guy's,
I just found some info on Penrite ssf which is a hydraulic suspension fluid which is used in suspension, power steering etc and say's can be used in all systems that use CHF11S which is what Pentosin CHF11S is as used by Mercedes.
Not sure on a price but comes in 2.5 ltr containers.
I priced the Pentosin at my local merc dealer and it's $80 for 1ltr.
I will try to get a price for the Penrite SSF and see what difference there is.
I will also call Penrite and see if it can be mixed with Pentosin or needs to be flushed first, will keep you posted.

Cheers Alex

Altered Sprinter
04-08-2010, 11:42 AM
Flushing is what interests me.
Thanks. Richard

316cdi
04-09-2010, 08:28 AM
Penrite SSF
I called Penrite today and they recommended flushing the old out then replace with SSF.
SSF is orange so would not be very good to mix with dark green anyway.

Cheers Alex

Altered Sprinter
04-09-2010, 09:00 AM
Thanks Alex it backs as to my thoughts, mixing is risky business.
Richard

316cdi
04-13-2010, 10:17 AM
You can get Penrite SSF at Repco stores for $95.00 for 2.5ltrs.
Cheers Alex

Oldfartt
04-15-2010, 05:19 AM
Penrite SSF is recommended by MB (MB345.0) for steering at temperatures below 25 degrees c.

Cheers
Ross

Oldfartt
04-15-2010, 05:36 AM
Fuchs Titan PSF MB Rec MB236.3

TITAN
POWER STEERING
FLUID

Premium power steering fluid

Meets requirements of most car manufacturers.

Suitable for most passenger car & light commercial power steering systems.

Compatible with other power steering fluids.

Effective anti-wear properties help minimise gear wear & maximise system life.

Compatible with wide range of seals, reducing oil leakage and increasing seal life.

Dyed red for easy identification if leak may occur.

Effective foam control & oxidation provides smooth operation and longevity of fluid.

Viscosity characteristics provide suitable all year round protection in all climates.


Cheers

Ross

Altered Sprinter
04-15-2010, 06:03 AM
Well I can't find a reference to MB 345 for sprinters Richard

Oldfartt
04-15-2010, 06:55 AM
WIS General gear oils section 3.3

Very obscure!

Cheers
Ross

Altered Sprinter
04-15-2010, 07:10 AM
Thanks Ross :thumbup:But I'm really convinced as to! too many If's :thinking: not that it may, or not be OK.
MB has a different swing on it,so I'll look in latter-on.
Richard

Oldfartt
04-15-2010, 07:18 AM
I agree. It does not confirm what is appropriate for sprinters.
Have you seen this site? http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/236.3_en.html

Cheers

Ross

316cdi
04-15-2010, 09:01 AM
Hi Ross,

Is your Sprinter a Sprintshift ? If so the hydraulic system on the gearbox uses a chf11s fluid.
If you don't have a sprintshift gearbox then disregard this post.

Also pick-up some penrite SSF at auto-one for $79 as i'm going to replace the hydraulic fluid in the sprintshift system.

Cheers Alex

Altered Sprinter
04-15-2010, 09:36 AM
ATF: MB 236.2 236.3 236.4.236.5.236.6 /...236.7 is an if? like for NCV
Your problem will be finding a MB proper oil.
Look at the certification sheet on oils that have any of the above.
The only thing I'm not sure about is mixing different fluids as a top-up?
Richard.
:rolleyes:
I agree. It does not confirm what is appropriate for sprinters.
Have you seen this site? http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/bevolisten/236.3_en.html

Cheers

Ross
Yes Ross I also cross reference to MB Germany As Alex is saying quickshift, However Manual both have the same power steering until and use the same oil .
When you look at Bevo ,say for example 236.3 it shows which vehicles in brief it is best suited to as a cross link as an indicator 236.2. Mog Trucks commercial cross country and sedan., then select Sprinter.
There are the following companies to cross reference to such as ELFD Mobil Fuche etc
Until I look at the actual specs as to Tonnage eg: My sprinter is referred to as a 3500 variant I'll be dammed if I'll put a sedan oil in my van.
Just need time to go through each one to be 100% sure.
Richard

Oldfartt
04-15-2010, 10:41 AM
Hi 316CDI,

I have a 313 with Sprintshift model 716.643 gearbox. The Hydraulic oil required in the sprintshift control system is MB 345.0 Which is what the Pentosin chf11s is. However I do not know why you want to change the oil in the control system as it is a closed system and does not have the same potential for contamination as other systems. Also there may be a requirement to reduce the hydraulic pressure with a Star diagnostic controller. Depends on serial number . Sometimes all you do is unplug the electrical connector to the Hydraulic pump, start the engine and engage the gearshift selecting all gears. This will reduce the pressure and allow you to remove the oil without it squirting everywhere. I will not be changing mine and it has done 200,000 km. and is nearly 10 years old.
However I have just replaced the gearbox oil for the first time.! I used the MB genuine oil,
MB 235.10 75w85 , very expensive, but it works out to be about $10 NZD per year over ten years! MB quote to replace the gearbox oil at 300,000km or 10 years. bevo.mercedes-benz.com also recommends MB235.11. which you more choices of manufacturer.....

Cheers

Ross

316cdi
04-15-2010, 11:14 AM
Hi Ross

I just replaced the sprintshift pump and lost a small amount of fluid during the change, so I decided to do a complete fluid change rather than just a top-up.

I went thru the motions you mentioned to do the change and there was no pressure in the lines, no need to start engine just ignition on.

I will be doing a gearbox oil change soon aswell.
I see it as preventative maintenance mines done 150,000km and is an ex-ambulance and is my work van so needs to be on the road all the time.

Cheers Alex

Oldfartt
04-15-2010, 09:21 PM
Hi Alex,

Yes no need to start the engine, just ignition on. You can hear the hydraulic pump running under normal conditions. At 150,000 km, have you checked the fan belt for cracks in and across the "v"s. I have replaced mine and kept the old one as a spare.

The jury seems to be out on the type of steering fluid to be used although I suspect that it will be
MB 236.3

Cheers

Ross

kkanuck
11-10-2010, 03:19 PM
Flushing is what interests me.
Thanks. Richard



Richard,


Have you flushed your power steering fluid on the T1N ever, or just left it like the service manual states, which I believe is that it does not need any service?

I am wondering if at 70K I should just do it in the interest of preventative maintenance?

If so, remove the return hose line from the PW reservoir, and flush like that?


Cheers,


Tibor

Altered Sprinter
11-10-2010, 08:36 PM
Hi Tibor: No I have never changed the power steering fluid from new.
Simply because I never thought of it.:shifty:
An example a few weeks back,I experienced a shudder when turning, from home. went to town it was OK parked the shudder returned.
Thinking! I'm low on Power steering fluid ,or a steering box is about to give up.
I checked the level of the fluid, and it was dead center to the maximum temp range, but it was still shuddering on a slow turn from take off.:thinking:
Any way went to MB had them check it , The tech said park it on the apron, go and have a cuppa and wait ten minutes.
That little black dip stick has to two markings, two for temp and one for max level ,it turned out it was low on fluid ..,."All of three cap fulls.
No problems since.
MB down under say change it every five years, if the oil is black and gritty. Mine is clear no contaminates but I'm changing it on the next service schedule.
The fluid is MB Power steering oil/Steering gear lubricant.Sheet 236.3 A000 989 88 03 10
Contains ethoxylated amine
will do a research on the life span of the oil during the day.
Richard

Altered Sprinter
11-10-2010, 09:12 PM
Conclusion: Amines have a cloud point,although highly durable against water, carbonates can over a period of time break down due to oxidization.at low operating temperatures.The product is not a life time product ultimately it needs to be replaced. There are no real guidelines as to a Use by date.
Based on the grouping of Amines used by manufactures. either by years or mileage, There appears to be no specific time limit.
Richard

kkanuck
11-11-2010, 11:11 PM
Thanks for the replies Richard.


I too have this slight shudder you mention at very slow speed turns, like parking lot, intermittently.


I will check the level and hope 3 cap full's will take care of it...


I have yet to change the fluid, and I am at 5 years 68K miles.


My fluid also looks clear and not dirty or dark.


I just bought 4 quarts of the MB fluid, made in Germany, in a steel blue can, and was wondering if I should change it in both my MB vehicles or not.


I just did it on a GM Truck by removing the return line and leading it to a drain container and turning the wheel back and forth while adding new fluid till it come out looking new, and reconnect return hose and that was the end of it.

In looking at the Sprinter, the return line going back to the reservoir, it connects down low, so I guess one has to plug the return line nipple on the reservoir in order to be able to add fluid for this process, or it would just drain right out. On the GM vehicle the return line was at the top of the reservoir, so there was not this issue.....

Oldfartt
11-12-2010, 03:23 AM
Seems that the MB advice is to remove the Oil from the reservoir using a hand pump through the filler hole. I assume that there would be some fluid still in the pipelines, but not much compared to the reservoir. I guess that if the steering rack was turned before draining so that there was minimum oil in the steering rack then there would not be much left in the system. Fill reservoir. With engine off, crank steering left/Right until no bubbles are seen in the reservoir. This action will do the self bleeding through the pipes. Run engine at idle speed and crank left and right again until no bubbles are seen in the reservoir. Top up to recommended level.

Cheers

Ross

kkanuck
11-12-2010, 03:45 AM
Seems that the MB advice is to remove the Oil from the reservoir using a hand pump through the filler hole. I assume that there would be some fluid still in the pipelines, but not much compared to the reservoir. I guess that if the steering rack was turned before draining so that there was minimum oil in the steering rack then there would not be much left in the system. Fill reservoir. With engine off, crank steering left/Right until no bubbles are seen in the reservoir. This action will do the self bleeding through the pipes. Run engine at idle speed and crank left and right again until no bubbles are seen in the reservoir. Top up to recommended level.

Cheers

Ross


Thanks for the tip, that sounds much easier quite frankly...

Oldfartt
11-12-2010, 05:39 AM
Yea, no messy leaks over the engine bay. If you are concerned about the remaining oil in the pipes, an initial small amount of new oil and a few left/rights, drain and then a full new replacement would get rid of nearly all the old oil. Personally I would not get so fussy unless there have been some other good reason to change the oil.

Cheers

Ross

Martin Duffy
02-28-2011, 10:15 AM
i get the odd shudder as well, about every 3-4 months.

Does it when turning right.

313 is a 2003 model and has 151,000 on it. mmmm might just change the fluid and been done with it.

Altered Sprinter
02-28-2011, 10:29 AM
Go to performance ask for Steven Phillips and say I sent you in MB power steering oils are tops in the viscosity range.
Richard
A000 989 88 03 10
30810

30811

30812

Martin Duffy
02-28-2011, 10:51 AM
thanks for that tip. Whats the approx cost?

hey i washed my van and are doing a wax. looks like new!

I am getting those Transit seats put in next week as well.

Altered Sprinter
02-28-2011, 10:59 AM
thanks for that tip. Whats the approx cost?

hey i washed my van and are doing a wax. looks like new!

I am getting those Transit seats put in next week as well.:shhh:
40 From memory
You wahked and polished! Get on with ya' :lol:
Take your power steering cap off,and check your level on the little black stick it should read max in black this is dead center on your stick between low and high.
Fell the oil on your finger/if it's clear it's Ok and you may need a few caps of Oil..{I have some}
Or> if it shows a darker shade of Grey it's old and needs replacement. Richard