2010 six-speed manual transmission any info???

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Not attempting to throw the thread out of kilter.
Old but gold from the known DCX CEO's..Note this was the American policy of the day from all the manufactures from the big three.
Minutes from Chrysler re Sprinter.
We know what's best or the American public , automatics, big tires, drink consoles, powerful engines.
This is what America wants.
Question is what went wrong with the philosophy of that one. GM Ford Chrysler.
You should have the choice,after all the mainstream public voted with their feet and went foreign decades back.
Simply put it's a mind-set-culture.
Richard
Adding:If you take a production line and split it, this adds to your overall costing, at the shop floor.
One line for autos, one for manual, as to chassis modification and design to engine power trains.

[qualityair]

Originally Posted by Scott_Mc

All those restarts?? What do you mean?? And as for the starter, have your old one rebuilt because $449.14 for a new one is bullsh$%

One of the new tricks utilized by the automakers to achieve better gas mileage is to kill the engine at stop lights(mostly the hybrids). The engine restarts at each take-off. For my vans use that would be 50 to 100 starts a day.

My van was put in service at the end of August of this year, My odometer tonight reads 5589 miles and the digital dash shows it's taken 254.13 hours to travel that far, at an average speed of 21 mph. If my van would have been equipped with a standard transmission Id guess I would have shifted it about 10 times per mile. You do the math.....I'll take an automatic anytime for service calls in the city, I've paid my dues in my early years before these fancy hydraulic clutches.

Charles

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Mercedes Sprinter Eco start, shut down auto, start up at lights or stalled traffic conditions. Hill stop assist prevent wear on clutch and brakes, go figure no one else has done it.for a lowly commercial fleet van.
Advantage Manual. is more fuel efficient to operate.extreme reliability, trans oil change ratios, a further maintenance cost reduction saving$$$$$$$$$$$$$ thus a further saving in real-time operating cost on off road down times, Manual one to 4 on a Auto. Euro 5 engines have fuel on demand via the new ecu engine redesign and new fuel injection systems, designed to lower fuel supply at idle,and reduce emissions in the CBD areas of a heaver concentration of CO2 That is Mercedes-Benz commitment to lowering global carbon foot prints, "carbon neutral".
Euro 5 engines are up to 30% more fuel efficient over it's predecessors assuming the thread is based on a Mercedes_Benz proper engines management system.
That's why its called blue efficiency.
Richard

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[kendall69]

Oh sure you have the die hards that will always buy an American pickup with ONLY a manual transmission, the sports car driver, the guy in the Jeep, but overall this is a very, very, very small percentage of people buying standard transmissions.

One big reason is the wife also needs and wants to drive the vehicle and she will not drive a standard transmission EVER.

No dealer will take a chance on having a standard transmission sitting on the lot for months while he sells 10 times as many auto transmission vehicles. Floor space is too valuable, and besides the dealer may end up blowing the vehicle out and not making any money on it because of the manual transmission.

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Originally Posted by NYC SPRINTERS

hello i only have one question for you maybe U can spread the word!!!!! the whole world drives sprinters with normal six-speed manual transmission which is a 100% better than auto and you have much better fuel economy and lover RPM at highway speeds how come we are curse and can get one in the USA?

The original question by NYC: [Quote spread the word!!!!! The Whole world drives sprinters with normal six speed manual Transmissions end of Quote].

Welcome to the real virtual world of Mercedes-Benz

The real world that is the global integrated world has the options of engines and transmissions
Mercedes_Benz majority of sales are fleet oriented and as such the majority of sales outside of the N/American markets are dominated by the options available for a customer to chose freely suite their needs best Manuals are 80% selected over an auto and for very good reasons too.

In conclusion with hindsight and as to thought he may have better placed his start topic.
Gee Guys! Wouldn't it be nice if we could have the option of choice,like the guys in the real world.
It's an option and should be on your block of real-estate.

Name me a single fleet operator in the United States or Canada who wouldn't like, not to have the advantages of up to a 30% fuel cost reduction and less operating expenses, as to lost down time.
Richard

[NYC SPRINTERS]

Originally Posted by mbsprinterdealer ma.

I just asked the question, I will try and get an answer tommorow.

Mark P Hoch
General Manager
Flagship Motorcars
smart center lynnfield
A Herb Chambers Co.
Lynnfield,Ma 01940
781-596-9700 work
mhoch@herbchambers.com

thank you Mark!

[mean_in_green]

The manual 'box is very durable - you would struggle to damage one. As mentioned previously the cable operated selection mechanism is the weakest part of the design. No biggie when it wears: a new lever and cable assembly runs out the door about £250 fitted.

I've heard some drivers report that the additional ratio gets a little tiresome. Fifth (as well as sixth) ratio is calculated to turn as an overdrive - you're often changing down to get moving again compared to the old five speed manual. Not a big issue, but noticeable.

I think this driveline tinkering by DC just confirms my theory that the early NCV3's mediocre gearing and (incorrectly advertised) final drive ratio were the main culprits for its average fuel economy.

Maybe the Euro5 variants will now go on to become as well regarded as its predecessor?

[slsbl77]

The crash testing cost to MB is going to be minimal at most. They already do crash testing of the van with the six speed box for the rest of the world...it is a matter of interpreting the data to the US standard. I'm guessing that an engineer could do that in a short time...it probably would take a good time longer for someone to write up the compliance forms for the all powerful NHTSA.
My best guess on why we don't have a six speed van is more profit in the auto trans. As for a manual trans van sitting on the lot, make them order only.

Just my opinion, I've been wrong before.

Bob

[mbsprinterdealer ma.]

the answer is no. This is from Mercedes Benz there are no future plans for a standard transmission. I do not know the reason, just trying to help and get you some answers. I am posting other answers under a new thread, " Answers from mbsprinterdealer ma. " in a few minutes.

thanks

Mark

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Mercedes first introduced The NCV in late 2006 the transmissions were improved upon in particular the Automatic transmission.

As the series evolved further modification to the Van series was added along with the introduction of the Eco-start this proved to have few bugs in it as to well that's past History it was modified and offered for free in Germany it was an option and still is an option to be fitted.
Cost 100 pounds.

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The NCV series has been tested for 11.5 million kilometers, no crash testing is required any where after the first TUV tests were document as the van has a 4 star with an optional five star safety and approved to an International ISO standard rating, no other van in it's class can match the saftey aspects of The Mercedes-Sprinter.

Optional manual six-speed Transmission two off for 4 and six cylinder engines.
The H/D 480 with wider teeth and a more ridged housing for the six cylinder engine
The ratio spread is the same for both Transmission variants.
From 5.08: [1st gear] to 0.68.1 [sixth gear] in each the gear ratio has a direct ratio compared to previous transmissions;the most noticeable difference is the slightly lower first gear ratio,and the roughly 15% higher sixth gear ratio,which s a pre-condition to keeping the engine speed low even when driving at higher speeds. [fuel-on-demand]

The owner first gear assists the driver during slow speed maneuvering which allows the Sprinter to move off with out a slipping clutch under extreme loads or on building sites or slippery conditions for example.

The transmission is quieter than the previous transmissions,There are two final axle drive options only to choose from but alternative ratios may be ordered via the body builders portal for example special order units RV application etc.

The said Gear cable linkage has been changed as well thus making for smother gear changes.
Eco start is optional and for currently 4cylnder engines only. Eco start is designed for couriers around metropolitan areas where traffic conditions or stop start are required to save on fuel costs.

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I don't have time to split the genuine Mercedes-Benz promotional video on the Eco start
So I'll present this video as an example the reporter basically tells it all.

Hopefully you'll all have a better understanding of how fleet operators think of savings. on operating fleets to reduce costings

Richard